VespidV

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Ugh is there a map for the 3rd floor of the Labyrinth? It's really annoying I've been save scumming running around in circles for over an hour and found one extra key but seem to be missing more? Fighting Beris is too much of a pain, I don't really understand why they level up seemingly uncapped, I don't care how many times I shove her up against a wall, your telling me she was stronger than arch succubus this whole time but was just holding back?
When I did the third floor I went out of my way to remember where every key is leaving the four in the middle for last and I'm pretty sure it ended up spawning an extra fifth key in a new path on the far left of the map once the floor layout was altered.
 
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Quintilus

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You quit the game when your positive morality resulted in a subordinate questioning her superior's commands, thus demonstrating that the demons aren't just mindless cum-sucking abominations? I'm not sure I can take you seriously anymore.
First of, they still "cum-sucking abominations", even if each of them have...what, quantum physics, AI and abstract mathematics PhD. Game literally builded around it.
Second, that was cruel for a boss to kill its subordinate. Like, really? She have inexhaustible amount of 'soldiers' to do so?
Third, that was dumb, to refuse to attack me when her boss definitely not in a good mood. Put at last some fight to save a face and life. She brave, but also incredibly stupid.
Fourth, game tries to make me feel bad for it. Why? It was her personal decision to do so, nobody forced her doing it with a gun at her head.
Fifth, what was it all for? Just to show up that they not only a "cum-sucking abominations" but they also have feelings? Again, I get it long before this scene.

Game is just dont work for me.
Yes, art is good....well mediocre, okay.
Yes, story is good...maybe a little bit silly.
Yes, world building is good...again, silly in some concepts but meh, moving on.
Gameplay? "Default" RPGM kind of gameplay, nothing to hype on.
Porn part...makes me laugh several times but overall 'gud enuff'.
But overall it tries to do thing that does not work for me, like
Human's are notoriously shit, and Shrift makes a point of it repeatedly.
I already know that. Is there are more than that to it?......No?! In trash bin than.

Same case with Shrift. It's presented at the beginning that the demons were the aggressors from the start, but as you go through and choose to spare them (or, in genocide, are basically told "bro, not to rain on your parade, but maybe cool it on the xenophobia?"), you start to unfold the nuances of the conflict itself.
Well, no. Undertale was "an ordinal rpg that not so ordinal at all...more on that next". Whole game was builded on it.
Like EXP was was abbreviation for EXecution Points, LOVE for Level Of ViolencE, etc. That why it worked. And yes, undertale is JUST an interesting game, not a masterpiece GOTY 12 out of 10
And what we have in "blue shrift"? Ehhh.....demons are not evil?! First of, its debatable...I mean they all womans, which is...but anyway, is that all?!
....
Yes.
Yes, it is.
 
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When I did the third floor I went out of my way to remember where every key is leaving the four in the middle for last and I'm pretty sure it ended up spawning an extra fifth key in a new path on the far left of the map once the floor layout was altered.
Giving up, updating the game and going in on fresh run let me get through it with sooo much less hassle.
 
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Also fun thought, if hellhounds stem from a cerebrus monster, what do y'all think the odds of them fusion hahing into a cerbus would be? The sisters are kinda 3 heads and snake (making the last sister the tale in this scenario) would make for a tough fight I bet.
 

DeadlyHit

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May 9, 2018
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Could someone enlighten me as to how I can get rid of Venefica's milking pet perk? Also, is there any point to sparring with Venefica after beating her once with Elly?
 

NinjaNamedBob

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First of, they still "cum-sucking abominations", even if each of them have...what, quantum physics, AI and abstract mathematics PhD. Game literally builded around it.
So are MGD and MGQ. What's your point?

Second, that was cruel for a boss to kill its subordinate. Like, really? She have inexhaustible amount of 'soldiers' to do so?
I mean, the barghast and lampas are effectively frontline infantry so yes, it's likely that the boss has plentiful more soldiers to throw at the world. Also, every cruel dictator throughout history has practiced a similar methodology of handling insubordination. The Red Army was infamously liquidated and re-organized under Stalin's regime, to great effect.

Third, that was dumb, to refuse to attack me when her boss definitely not in a good mood. Put at last some fight to save a face and life. She brave, but also incredibly stupid.
I believe in the genocide route, you've demonstrated numerous times over that you can easily handle the entire lampas species. Being given an order to effectively commit suicide seems fairly unreasonable. On the other end, the PC has shown compassion for the lampas in sparing them. As far as that one lampas was concerned, you weren't a threat, let alone someone who would get in the way of their plans unless it directly impacted you.

Fourth, game tries to make me feel bad for it. Why? It was her personal decision to do so, nobody forced her doing it with a gun at her head.
Is compassion for someone showing you mercy at every turn a foreign concept for you?

Fifth, what was it all for? Just to show up that they not only a "cum-sucking abominations" but they also have feelings? Again, I get it long before this scene.
The point was to establish what the outcome of your kindness or cruelty can result in, but also to put forward just how cruel the end boss actually is. It establishes the stakes for those who oppose her, gives your character motivation to get stronger, and establishes the lengths the end boss will go to in order to dissuade "wrong think" within her ranks. In terms of narrative elements, it's as basic as MGQ was in presenting to you the flip-side of Human/Monster relations when rape wasn't a factor.

Game is just dont work for me.
Yes, art is good....well mediocre, okay.
I mean, if you're jerking it to Shrift...

Yes, story is good...maybe a little bit silly.
Yes, world building is good...again, silly in some concepts but meh, moving on.
Like I said, the story is basically Undertale except with porn. The world-building is fine, nothing to write home about.

Gameplay? "Default" RPGM kind of gameplay, nothing to hype on.
Porn part...makes me laugh several times but overall 'gud enuff'.
But overall it tries to do thing that does not work for me, like
If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work. I'm not trying to twist your arm. I just think you gave up too easily and expected something that the game never implied.

I already know that. Is there are more than that to it?......No?! In trash bin than.
There is a lot more. It's up to you to make the effort to find out what that is, or not.


Well, no. Undertale was "an ordinal rpg that not so ordinal at all...more on that next". Whole game was builded on it.
Like EXP was was abbreviation for EXecution Points, LOVE for Level Of ViolencE, etc. That why it worked. And yes, undertale is JUST an interesting game, not a masterpiece GOTY 12 out of 10
And what we have in "blue shrift"? Ehhh.....demons are not evil?! First of, its debatable...I mean they all womans, which is...but anyway, is that all?!
Okay, so I'm going to pretend there was something beyond casual sexism for your last sentence, and focus on the fact that Undertale wasn't operating too far outside the normal mechanics of the rpgmaker engine in itself. It simply did what games like Shrift and MGQ:paradox do, which is manipulating certain elements in the engine for a desired mechanic. I'm not a dev myself, but I imagine I could get the same results as Tobey did if I made the investment. The mechanics all apply numerical values to certain behaviours, which involve "if" and "when" triggers.

I can tell you that you're wrong about the nuances of Shrift's demons on the basis that I'm playing it, have passed the section you quit at, and have paid attention to the story. There is a lot more than "demons are evil, except when they're not." I would personally discourage you from making broad statements on a game you know nothing about based off your limited understanding of what some random on the internet says. Obviously, I'm not giving the full details for reasons of not spoiling those who might want to play it for themselves.
 

FaekNaem

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Jan 17, 2020
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After grinding for a bit and finally completing the final floor of the labyrinth I can safely say that Ceris is the best hellhound.
I was about to say. Everyone's been super high on Ushris throughout the thread and Ceris isn't getting nearly enough love. Granted, she is, as Beris puts it, really basic and straightforward but there's definitely room to build on with her. Plus I don't think we have a dommy character in the game that's that loving and encouraging throughout the whole thing. All the hellhounds are great (well, Ushris is bottom tier for me because I don't like that kind of content) but Ceris just hits all the buttons. Definitely hoping to see more content for them.

As for my thoughts on the Labyrinth itself, I don't have much to say that others haven't but I'll word it out in case Thresh is still here looking at feedback. I found it a neat way to change up the gameplay though it does suffer from no real reason to repeat the challenge after you've completed it. The problem elements are the 3rd and especially 4th floor. It's not just the fog of war that makes them irritating but the fact that traps are completely invisible, especially forcing you walk through them as opposed to the other floors where you had the option to try and minimize them.

Iabel's floor gets hit particularly badly since the floor and even traps are all randomized and many traps spawn in ways that you have to trigger twice in order to get keys. It feels more like trial and error as opposed to the others where you can make a plan as you go, even Ushris's floor doesn't have extensive alterations so you can still have a good idea of the layout once the fog of war kicks in.

This is also relevant for reviewing scenes. For the most part it's pretty easy to trigger the traps/fights to rewatch the scenes as you want but Iabel is completely randomized so it's much harder to get to her sex content.

I like the content overall, just has a few hiccups.
 

ankhtar

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This is also relevant for reviewing scenes. For the most part it's pretty easy to trigger the traps/fights to rewatch the scenes as you want but Iabel is completely randomized so it's much harder to get to her sex content.
I had this problem. I feel like this could be addressed by giving us the option to simply meander into the labyrinth "off the clock" like we can do with the forest dungeon, which would give us a simple and direct way to interact with the hounds. Alternatively we could just meet them elsewhere. I can't imagine Beris is the only one who enjoys taverns, even if she's not there to drink.
 

Big Bummer

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Mar 19, 2021
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Could someone enlighten me as to how I can get rid of Venefica's milking pet perk? Also, is there any point to sparring with Venefica after beating her once with Elly?
Look on the wiki for the cheats, you might be able to find something to get rid of it there
 

afedvfe

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I had this problem. I feel like this could be addressed by giving us the option to simply meander into the labyrinth "off the clock" like we can do with the forest dungeon, which would give us a simple and direct way to interact with the hounds. Alternatively we could just meet them elsewhere. I can't imagine Beris is the only one who enjoys taverns, even if she's not there to drink.
The point of sparring is sexy times
 

Motorata

Newbie
May 8, 2020
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I have a problem i have completed the 2 floor i and i failed the third, then it doesnt let me try again i go to Beris and say to go to another floor and it doesn´t let me, i beat Beris again to see if i could do it but it does nothing.

I will download the game again to see if it changes anything any ideas?
 
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