Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v27.1a Alpha] [Threshold]

[Kunt]

Where are all these people coming from wanting to dominate monster girls?? This is a femdom game where you get sucked dry by succubus lmfao what the fuck am I reading on this thread JEEZUZ you are playing the wrong game if you come here thinking you can dominate the monster girls because the whole theme is getting sucked dry. You can't change this aspect of the game when it's so intricately built in from the beginning. Come on now

wtf are you talking about lol? the entire game is designed so you can build your character in either direction
that's like saying Tales of Androginyhas only one way to play it
absolute nonsense

 

[boringapocalypse]

Now I know this is bait but cmon, Elena isn't resentful or arrogant, just frustrated and overworked. She's like that friend most have, someone who's actually really impressive and acomplished but has terrible luck with relationships because she wants someone who can match their intensity and has the same level standards she holds herself to. That's not overvaluing, she's not being hypocritical and asking something she isn't willing to do hersefl, that's just struggle that comes with the territory


And that also comes entirely from context. In work scenes the player isn't in the role of a cool and powerful adventurer who enters a relationship, he's a boytoy for hire so he does what is asked of him whether it's to be dominant, submissive or just cuddle and play catch

It's not bait. Older woman are simply less valuable than younger women in a committed very long-term relationship and not recognizing that matters is a recipe for resentment when they end up with a man "below their standard". Elena is a nice and funny character in her role in the game, I just see her as being a "too real" depiction of women that wait too long to marry/have children. Funnily enough the contrasts with Elly makes Elly more attractive and well-characterized than if they were standalone characters, which is good writing IMO.

Also a Shizu cg?! that is hype

 

[triplebrc]

what does the feminist theory say about the men who like their partners enjoy it?
cause I'd say that's the majority of dudes

Oh I can answer that since I had a typical brainrot third wave feminazi in my extended family who we mocked frequently. It was something along the lines of "Men only want them to enjoy it because it gives them the feeling of complete power and dominance to inflict pleasure beyond the womans control upon her and make her lose herself beneath him" or some bs along those lines. That ideology has all screws loose and is utterly useless nowadays, a bunch of spoiled brats who feel like they gotta fight for something to feel complete, but the fight that they chose was won long ago, and fighting one actually ongoing fight would be hard and require work beyond sitting on social media.

Yeah, it looks good. Fight stance CGs are particularly tricky because they have to work for both the player or the girl being on top, but this could pass as either I think.

That is kinda a design flaw from the developer though, namely the desicion to just make "sex" one stance, which is pretty stupid. It is not only stupid because it either limits the art for the scenes or makes one sided art that does not really fit when the circumstances are different, but it is inherently kinda stupid mainly because both opponents always wanna fuck the other, and who is currently dominant should mainly be decided by the position they are in at the time, or if restraints, exhaustion or mind control are a thing thats currently happening.
A male would have almost no chance to "counter fuck" a heavy monster girl sitting on top of him, so his course of action would be to first change positions and put the girl into a less dominant position from which she cannot dictate the pace nearly as much. Having 2 or 3 different stances that can be changed with a good roll, with different risks and rewards, would be much better for most things, including CG.

 

[Master of Puppets]

That is kinda a design flaw from the developer though, namely the desicion to just make "sex" one stance, which is pretty stupid. It is not only stupid because it either limits the art for the scenes or makes one sided art that does not really fit when the circumstances are different, but it is inherently kinda stupid mainly because both opponents always wanna fuck the other, and who is currently dominant should mainly be decided by the position they are in at the time, or if restraints, exhaustion or mind control are a thing thats currently happening.
A male would have almost no chance to "counter fuck" a heavy monster girl sitting on top of him, so his course of action would be to first change positions and put the girl into a less dominant position from which she cannot dictate the pace nearly as much. Having 2 or 3 different stances that can be changed with a good roll, with different risks and rewards, would be much better for most things, including CG.

True, but that's how it is, and changing it now would be a huge job, probably like an entire update just for that.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

True, but that's how it is, and changing it now would be a huge job, probably like an entire update just for that.

Probably a very long update - and not a very interesting one for that matter.

I get the sentiment but fundamentally this is a text based game, the sex battle system doesn't need to be too intricate and adding more space for CG work would only slow things down when it's really just meant to be icing on the cake anyway to push along the imagination. Even with what we've got most enemies haven't been able to have positional CG work done. Hell, most of the actual love interests haven't.

 

[boringapocalypse]

Yeah I don't consider the game being largely text-based to be a flaw, that just means more energy put towards other stuff. Nothing is free, opportunity costs etc..

 

[TheUnsaid]

Did you guys see the new Shizu CG teaser for the patrons?

What's the verdict? What are everyone's opinions? I myself am a big fan, because we get to see new expressions on Shizu we've never seen b4.

I think the proportions are a bit off...
I always pictured Shizu to be taller, but now she feels like she'd be the same height as her kunoichi trainees.

Elena is a nice and funny character in her role in the game, I just see her as being a "too real" depiction of women that wait too long to marry/have children.

Really?

She's a fantasy barbarian type that can drink gallons of alcohol and dressed in DQ3 warrior bikini armor when adventuring.
Personally, I think she'll be fine. She's hot, has money, and her shit together for the most part. If all she wants is a monogamous relationship in a setting where that's not normal, that's honestly not that big of an ask.

Doesn't the story say that a lot of adventurers can't even get past the forest because they get elven wives? If the guys in that world are that easy, she'd have no problems if she actually took dating seriously. Seriously... all she needs to do is relocate off of Lucidia, and she'll bag a guy within a week. Even if she stays I doubt she'll even have to wait a year, even as lackadaisical as she is.

That is kinda a design flaw from the developer though, namely the desicion to just make "sex" one stance, which is pretty stupid. It is not only stupid because it either limits the art for the scenes or makes one sided art that does not really fit when the circumstances are different, but it is inherently kinda stupid mainly because both opponents always wanna fuck the other, and who is currently dominant should mainly be decided by the position they are in at the time, or if restraints, exhaustion or mind control are a thing thats currently happening.
A male would have almost no chance to "counter fuck" a heavy monster girl sitting on top of him, so his course of action would be to first change positions and put the girl into a less dominant position from which she cannot dictate the pace nearly as much. Having 2 or 3 different stances that can be changed with a good roll, with different risks and rewards, would be much better for most things, including CG.

The two solutions to the problem you've found from what I've seen are from MGE and AppleRooftop.

AppleRooftop does something similar to what you're saying. They have poses and animations for combat, and on your turn when you're the aggressor it animates you thrusting and dominating, and on the enemy turn it animates them thrusting and dominating. It's obviously a lot of work, so the animators limit themselves to 4 frames, which is barely enough imo XD. But it's still A LOT considering all the animation needs.

MGE just... poses the characters in a way where you can't assume sex position. Catgirl "could" be doggystyle or reverse cowgirl. You can't actually make any assumptions based on the art because of the way it's framed and drawn.
Imp "could" be missionary or cowgirl. You can't actually make any assumptions based on art.

The preview for the holstaur could be mating press or doggystyle. Can't make assumptions. etc etc.

There was a conversation there recently about how the addition of animations actually negatively impacts that design decision but mods power-tripped and removed the convo.

I assume MGD could take the MGE approach since the CG is very limited, but that would require a lot more creativity in how the poses are framed, and it might not satisfy the fantasy of a lot of scenes in the game. Like... Elf CG makes a ton of sense if you consider how it's supposed to happen normally in game.

Yeah, it looks good. Fight stance CGs are particularly tricky because they have to work for both the player or the girl being on top, but this could pass as either I think.

I'mma be real with you man. I genuinely don't see it.
It only looks like cowgirl to me. Maybe it's because her legs are going down instead of up?

 

[Master of Puppets]

I'mma be real with you man. I genuinely don't see it.
It only looks like cowgirl to me. Maybe it's because her legs are going down instead of up?

What does that even mean?

 

[TheUnsaid]

What does that even mean?

You said it could be seen as either or being on top. I'm saying I can only see it one way.

I'm not sure where the confusion's coming from sorry. How else can I clarify?

 

[Master of Puppets]

You said it could be seen as either or being on top. I'm saying I can only see it one way.

I'm not sure where the confusion's coming from sorry. How else can I clarify?

I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious; what does "her legs are going down instead of up" mean? Whether they are going down or up depends entirely on the orientation of her body.

 

[Klglhgh]

what does the feminist theory say about the men who like their partners enjoy it?
cause I'd say that's the majority of dudes

It is and feminist theory says its good and cool actually. The subject of critique however is generally normative templates for gender dynamics in approaching relationships or sex. It's not "most men always want to dominate and don't care about partner's pleasure" but "there is a commonly held norm for heterosexual relationships where the role of a man is to be the subject, desire, take most if not all of the initiative and the role of a woman is to receive the man's advances and admiration, be desired". This idealised vision held as the only viable way to approach relationships is outdated and ofc doesn't work for the vast majority of people in real word ofc, these "universal" norms generally don't, but it doesn't mean it's not there. Its kinda like beauty standards in a way, most guys don't look like Idris Elba or Chis Hemsworth and it's fine but the pressure from the idea they should is still real.

Internalising these norms does lead to dudes who don't reflect on them feeling like they have to do all the work, aren't supposed to be actively desired etc. How they're supposed to act as a man and what others, including the women they're interested in that have internalised the same model, expect of them, often clashes with what they want and like as a person. It's not even about whether the partner enjoys the act, people do want that, but what they feel they're supposed to enjoy.

The main argument of the theory is that this model of relationships is fine and cool and does work for some people but it being held as the one true way to approach dating, sex or gender dynamics more broadly is not feasible and generally harmful because of how constraining it is.

Now things have generally gotten much better, dudes can now say they like to be desired and proclaim their love for proactive or even sometimes dominant women without having their masculinity questioned and takes like "it's gay to love buff women/love your wife too much/like eating pussy" are relegated to specific corners of the internet and rightfully called silly. Even media from more conservative places like japanese hentai is slowly getting rid of its madonna-whore complex bs, good times. The aforementioned standard however is still not fully removed from being "the only normal thing" to just another option so there is still space for critique

Older woman are simply less valuable than younger women in a committed very long-term relationship

In a vacuum, just looking for someone to be conventionally attractive and have kids with perhaps, but Elena's standards are more than fair when she wants a partner who likes who she is specifically. She also is strong, rich and hot, she has no need to settle for someone subpar, she'll be fine on her own. The ones who will see her as "less valuable" mostly already fucked off to marry some dumb elf

 

[Carryon]

On one hand, I prefer maledom over femdom, on the other hand I really don't want to be on the same side as the weird as fuck chudlords unironically complaining about feminazis or 'adult women being worthless on the sexual marketplace' that seem to infest this thread. A true dilemma.

This must be what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ felt when he carried the sins of mankind

 

[TheUnsaid]

I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious; what does "her legs are going down instead of up" mean? Whether they are going down or up depends entirely on the orientation of her body.

Yes, I'm saying the only orientation I see is her sitting upright.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Yes, I'm saying the only orientation I see is her sitting upright.

Sounds like a you problem.

 

[tonyhawksunnyd]

feminazi

what year is it

 

[lnppo]

what year is it

And multiple people liking his post....smh, this is what happens when a monster girl game has maledom in it.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

And multiple people liking his post....smh, this is what happens when a monster girl game has maledom in it.
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Bro don't be weird in the other direction XD.

This must be what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ felt when he carried the sins of mankind

We need you!

When all hope was lost... Carryon died for our sins!
...
Actually your name is kind of ass for a messiah. You need to change it to something more fitting like... Goonyon.