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TheGoodPastor

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True, but that's how it is, and changing it now would be a huge job, probably like an entire update just for that.
Probably a very long update - and not a very interesting one for that matter.

I get the sentiment but fundamentally this is a text based game, the sex battle system doesn't need to be too intricate and adding more space for CG work would only slow things down when it's really just meant to be icing on the cake anyway to push along the imagination. Even with what we've got most enemies haven't been able to have positional CG work done. Hell, most of the actual love interests haven't.
 

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Did you guys see the new Shizu CG teaser for the patrons?

What's the verdict? What are everyone's opinions? I myself am a big fan, because we get to see new expressions on Shizu we've never seen b4.
I think the proportions are a bit off...
I always pictured Shizu to be taller, but now she feels like she'd be the same height as her kunoichi trainees.
Elena is a nice and funny character in her role in the game, I just see her as being a "too real" depiction of women that wait too long to marry/have children.
Really?

She's a fantasy barbarian type that can drink gallons of alcohol and dressed in DQ3 warrior bikini armor when adventuring.
Personally, I think she'll be fine. She's hot, has money, and her shit together for the most part. If all she wants is a monogamous relationship in a setting where that's not normal, that's honestly not that big of an ask.

Doesn't the story say that a lot of adventurers can't even get past the forest because they get elven wives? If the guys in that world are that easy, she'd have no problems if she actually took dating seriously. Seriously... all she needs to do is relocate off of Lucidia, and she'll bag a guy within a week. Even if she stays I doubt she'll even have to wait a year, even as lackadaisical as she is.
That is kinda a design flaw from the developer though, namely the desicion to just make "sex" one stance, which is pretty stupid. It is not only stupid because it either limits the art for the scenes or makes one sided art that does not really fit when the circumstances are different, but it is inherently kinda stupid mainly because both opponents always wanna fuck the other, and who is currently dominant should mainly be decided by the position they are in at the time, or if restraints, exhaustion or mind control are a thing thats currently happening.
A male would have almost no chance to "counter fuck" a heavy monster girl sitting on top of him, so his course of action would be to first change positions and put the girl into a less dominant position from which she cannot dictate the pace nearly as much. Having 2 or 3 different stances that can be changed with a good roll, with different risks and rewards, would be much better for most things, including CG.
The two solutions to the problem you've found from what I've seen are from MGE and AppleRooftop.

AppleRooftop does something similar to what you're saying. They have poses and animations for combat, and on your turn when you're the aggressor it animates you thrusting and dominating, and on the enemy turn it animates them thrusting and dominating. It's obviously a lot of work, so the animators limit themselves to 4 frames, which is barely enough imo XD. But it's still A LOT considering all the animation needs.

MGE just... poses the characters in a way where you can't assume sex position. Catgirl "could" be doggystyle or reverse cowgirl. You can't actually make any assumptions based on the art because of the way it's framed and drawn.
Imp "could" be missionary or cowgirl. You can't actually make any assumptions based on art.

The preview for the holstaur could be mating press or doggystyle. Can't make assumptions. etc etc.

There was a conversation there recently about how the addition of animations actually negatively impacts that design decision but mods power-tripped and removed the convo.

I assume MGD could take the MGE approach since the CG is very limited, but that would require a lot more creativity in how the poses are framed, and it might not satisfy the fantasy of a lot of scenes in the game. Like... Elf CG makes a ton of sense if you consider how it's supposed to happen normally in game.
Yeah, it looks good. Fight stance CGs are particularly tricky because they have to work for both the player or the girl being on top, but this could pass as either I think.
I'mma be real with you man. I genuinely don't see it.
It only looks like cowgirl to me. Maybe it's because her legs are going down instead of up?
 

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You said it could be seen as either or being on top. I'm saying I can only see it one way.

I'm not sure where the confusion's coming from sorry. How else can I clarify?
I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious; what does "her legs are going down instead of up" mean? Whether they are going down or up depends entirely on the orientation of her body.
 

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what does the feminist theory say about the men who like their partners enjoy it?
cause I'd say that's the majority of dudes
It is and feminist theory says its good and cool actually. The subject of critique however is generally normative templates for gender dynamics in approaching relationships or sex. It's not "most men always want to dominate and don't care about partner's pleasure" but "there is a commonly held norm for heterosexual relationships where the role of a man is to be the subject, desire, take most if not all of the initiative and the role of a woman is to receive the man's advances and admiration, be desired". This idealised vision held as the only viable way to approach relationships is outdated and ofc doesn't work for the vast majority of people in real word, these "universal" norms generally don't, but it doesn't mean it's not there. Its kinda like beauty standards in a way, most guys don't look like Idris Elba or Chris Hemsworth and it's fine but the pressure from the idea they should is still real.

Internalising these norms does lead to dudes who don't reflect on them feeling like they have to do all the work, aren't supposed to be actively desired etc. How they're supposed to act as a man and what others, including the women they're interested in that have internalised the same model, expect of them often clashes with what they want and like as a person. It's not even about whether the partner enjoys the act, people do want that, but what they feel they're supposed to enjoy.

The main argument of the theory is that this model of relationships is fine and cool and does work for some people but it being held as the one true way to approach dating, sex or gender dynamics more broadly is not feasible and generally harmful because of how constraining it is.

Now things have generally gotten much better, dudes can now say they like to be desired and proclaim their love for proactive or even sometimes dominant women without having their masculinity questioned and takes like "it's gay to love buff women/love your wife too much/like eating pussy" are relegated to specific corners of the internet and rightfully called silly. Even media from more conservative places like japanese hentai is slowly getting rid of its madonna-whore complex bs, good times. The aforementioned standard however is still not fully removed from being "the only normal thing" to just another option so there is still space for critique

Older woman are simply less valuable than younger women in a committed very long-term relationship
In a vacuum, just looking for someone to be conventionally attractive and have kids with perhaps, but Elena's standards are more than fair when she wants a partner who likes who she is specifically. She also is strong, rich and hot, she has no need to settle for someone subpar, she'll be fine on her own. The ones who will see her as "less valuable" mostly already fucked off to marry some dumb elf
 
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On one hand, I prefer maledom over femdom, on the other hand I really don't want to be on the same side as the weird as fuck chudlords unironically complaining about feminazis or 'adult women being worthless on the sexual marketplace' that seem to infest this thread. A true dilemma.

This must be what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ felt when he carried the sins of mankind
 

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I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious; what does "her legs are going down instead of up" mean? Whether they are going down or up depends entirely on the orientation of her body.
Yes, I'm saying the only orientation I see is her sitting upright.
 
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And multiple people liking his post....smh, this is what happens when a monster girl game has maledom in it.
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Bro don't be weird in the other direction XD.
This must be what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ felt when he carried the sins of mankind
We need you!

When all hope was lost... Carryon died for our sins!
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Actually your name is kind of ass for a messiah. You need to change it to something more fitting like... Goonyon.
 

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Bro don't be weird in the other direction XD.

We need you!

When all hope was lost... Carryon died for our sins!
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Actually your name is kind of ass for a messiah. You need to change it to something more fitting like... Goonyon.
Carryon evolved into Goonyon
 

Carryon

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Goonyon brings to mind an onion except the layers are crusted on jizz, and I feel that would be a bad name because I'm much more than just that.
 

Ganki

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Goonyon brings to mind an onion except the layers are crusted on jizz, and I feel that would be a bad name because I'm much more than just that.
I hate the fact I just imagined all of that.....carryon sounds way better
 

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What are people's thoughts on the livewire Voltins and fashionable succubus?

Me personally, I think fashionable's fight is pretty boring. The Voltins are way more interesting. I find it a bit weird they get a kissing stance attack though. They're short so I can't really imagine it.

I like the concept of the chain lightning granting group buffs.
 

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What are people's thoughts on the livewire Voltins and fashionable succubus?

Me personally, I think fashionable's fight is pretty boring. The Voltins are way more interesting. I find it a bit weird they get a kissing stance attack though. They're short so I can't really imagine it.

I like the concept of the chain lightning granting group buffs.
Bro those Voltins design wise are sick but fuck me man those MG,s are a pain in my ass like fuck man 3 of them in a fight so much for my penetration build
 
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What are people's thoughts on the livewire Voltins and fashionable succubus?

Me personally, I think fashionable's fight is pretty boring. The Voltins are way more interesting. I find it a bit weird they get a kissing stance attack though. They're short so I can't really imagine it.

I like the concept of the chain lightning granting group buffs.
The fashionable succubus fight is terrifying if you have a penetration based build...
 

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Bro those Voltins design wise are sick but fuck me man those MG,s are a pain in my ass like fuck man 3 of them in a fight so much for my penetration build
I'm doing a penetration build too, cause I prefer intercourse to foreplay by a lot.

Aren't they weaker if you have a penetration focus?
The fashionable succubus fight is terrifying if you have a penetration based build...
Weird. When I insert she just spams aphrodisiac.

I can't imagine her being very tough for that build. She gets defeated easily.
 
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