RPGM Abandoned Monster Girl Encyclopedia RPG [v0.0.11] [Kenko_Cross]

[TheeSonus]

That is 100% the expected "monster girl goes crazy and tops you until you black out" part that the femdom sluts want.

that's fine if you're a little femdom slut

dude what the fuck did people who like femdom do to you

 

[Noctis_]

No you got it backwards. I was worried about the scenes going from one-way in some circumstances to two-way.

Originally it felt to me in the demo that werecat was just straight up fucking you, and especially in the Love 100 scene. The new animation now does not feel like that. The idea that she "fucks you into unconsciousness" is kinda moot now since apparently the MC's more proactive.

This obviously goes both ways since Imp's "rape play" won't feel like it if imp gets to move too.

I agree. I much preferred when it was up to interpretation, or at least have the girls be seen as more dominant. Having the protagonist act and reciprocate during the scenes kind of turns me off a bit, and it also makes the monster girls lose a lot of agency.

It makes more sense when you've 'tamed' them where the protagonist can then be more involved and loving, but if you lose to a monster girl in the wild, of course they're going to ravage and claim you, generally. The protagonist could perhaps be more involved if he was charmed or hypnotized or something to 'take charge', ala the Imp loss scene.

My guy you're interjecting to make the same point. But like... with a shittier outlook.


Yes, because that is the context for the scene. That is 100% the expected "monster girl goes crazy and tops you until you black out" part that the femdom sluts want. Werecat's sex pose in particular is very definitely meant to look as if she's on top of you, and that's only made clearer with the new animation having her pumping her hips during.

The problem is... she's not 100% a dom character.

The scenes you get after you've named her and officially made her your waifu are a lot less combative, because now you're a couple and it's not longer a "fight". They very explicity give you the room to take a more proactive, even dominant role. This new animation... doesn't really seem to reflect that. The Werecat's definitely moving, but I'm not totally sure on the guy's end. This makes it seem like Werecat is the one initiating and domming in every sex scene, and that's fine if you're a little femdom slut who only wants to be topped by monster girls... but it ain't what I want. I specifically liked this game because it seemed like I could avoid that for once.

So at least for now, it seems in Werecat's case that the animation takes away from her sex scenes and portrays them universally as one-way. Which is lame. The way these scenes were written made it clear there was room for however you wanted them to go down, but the animation doesn't seem to accurately portray that and I find that a drawback.

I'm really sour on the whole thing because putting aside the subsequent higher workload that comes with animating, I felt like the way these scenes were "animated" was already super good. Just the way the cg was shifted to simulate riding, grinding, and thrusting and such gave each sex scene a ton of personality, way more than you'd expect. It was a super good result for how simple and easy an effect it was, and now it'll seemingly be tossed for an expensive method whose results aren't nearly as good. What a waste.

Also.. no offense, but if you want a more dominant and in-charge protagonist you've come to the wrong game. Monster Girl Encyclopedia is all about femdom and girls dominating men and women, forcefully turning them into husbands/wives, mates, pets and what have you.

Mostly everyone here, I assume, is into femdom considering that's the theme of the game and the majority of the substance within it.

Also Werecat is 100% a dominant character. It's shown as such in the bad end where she utterly teases and forcefully overwhelms the protagonist with one-sided sex and affection everyday if you lose to her in earnest. She calls you her 'tom', and as such you don't have any independence or agency - just to love and breed her and obey her every whim.

How monster girls work in this world is that, generally, most of them are dominant, with the rare case of submissive monster girls who are more subtle in their ways to ensnare potential mates. However, if someone comes along who's stronger than them, and beats or tames them - then, and only then, do they become more submissive and obedient.

Basically Werecats are 100% dominant /unless/ you prove to them you're more than just a lowly tom, in this instance.

 

[bunny931]

I mean, the idea of an unconscious man still moving their hips in their sleep while the monster girl rides them is well within the realm of MGE. Is it really proactive, if he doesn't even intend to do it? The same is true of the monster girl in rape-play, with her body just instinctually moving to meet yours, which is an unsurprising thing I would expect to find in a sexual scene in MGE. This is why I do not see an indication of dom/sub for the protagonist in the animation, at all.

As for the sexual dynamics, every time you have sex with the werecat in bed feels like a competition, unless you just sub to her by making requests and all that. So, the essence of combat is still there, despite the fact that you're a couple, it's just that she will give you some space after you're done having sex. Now, this is totally expected and fine within the setting of MGE, but for a player watching from the outside, I think it gets exhausting, lol. I know it's technically not sexual combat anymore, and yet it still feels like it is, which just makes me want to avoid having sex with the waifus...

Not too sure how I feel about the animations. The animated stills are slightly grating, and the animated sex scenes are fine I guess. Though, I'm used to playing VNs where the text and the image are completely at odds, so it doesn't affect me directly as much, but it's easy to understand why some folks wouldn't like that.

The idea of husbands dominating their monster girl wives while uncommon is not super rare. We have The Land of the Four Souls in the Mist Continent for example, a human dominated faction there, where the monster girls are generally housewives, while the men/incubi go out to fight. When it comes to femdom, I only like it light, and I am acquainted with the lore of MGE, a lot of which is up to interpretation anyway. Now, KC does probably lean towards femdom personally, so I expect most scenes to turn that way, sadly, despite there being clear paths to maledom in the setting.

 

[Looks at Monster Girls]

dude what the fuck did people who like femdom do to you

Lol that you're so touchy and got so offended by it is kinda why.

It's been discussed in this thread before, but KC himself has been kinda transparently disillusioned with the monster girl femdom crowd. Because of games like MGQ, the widespread conception is that monster girls = femdom, which is boring and restrictive, and after more than 10+ years of it the genre has grown super stale and stagnant. Turns out intentionally pigeonholing the subculture isn't very conducive to growth, who knew.

Point is: this game seemed like a very intentional breath of fresh air. Yeah just like every other monster girl game ever made you can sub hard, but the Werecat's scenes especially made it seem like there was an emphasis on keeping the scenes "even" and actually giving you a choice for the most part. And that's extremely appreciated, considering how rare it is.

So... changes that lessen that aspect for me in like, the one game finally willing to throw a bone my way kinda stings.

I agree. I much preferred when it was up to interpretation, or at least have the girls be seen as more dominant. Having the protagonist act and reciprocate during the scenes kind of turns me off a bit, and it also makes the monster girls lose a lot of agency.

It makes more sense when you've 'tamed' them where the protagonist can then be more involved and loving, but if you lose to a monster girl in the wild, of course they're going to ravage and claim you, generally. The protagonist could perhaps be more involved if he was charmed or hypnotized or something to 'take charge', ala the Imp loss scene.

Here's my issue: if I'm not mistaken, you guys are seemingly complaining about the male having ANY agency in the sex at all... which like holy shit, come on. There's only about fifteen million monster-girl games that cater to those exact tastes, so coming after the one game that strays from the norm just comes off as petty. It's not even that the game doesn't have femdom, it's that the game's not exclusively so. Just... why.

Also.. no offense, but if you want a more dominant and in-charge protagonist you've come to the wrong game. Monster Girl Encyclopedia is all about femdom and girls dominating men and women, forcefully turning them into husbands/wives, mates, pets and what have you.

Except you're wrong. KC has specifically gone on-record to say that the world is NOT exclusively femdom-based. Yeah there's definitely a big focus on it, because it's still part of its identity at the end of the day, but relationships with hot monsters in this setting are not at all limited to a single dynamic and I think that's a massive plus. You shouldn't have to consign yourself to a single fetish just to enjoy exotic hotties, and after playing this demo and getting a proper feel for his intentions behind the setting, I see what KC's going for and I'm all for it. He wants to do something unique and different from the norm and it lines up with what I like for a change, so I want to see him take this game in ways that expand it, and not in directions that instead make it more restrictive.

 

[TheeSonus]

Lol that you're so touchy and got so offended by it is kinda why.

i... thought it was obvious that was a joke, but okay i guess?

 

[Sarojin]

i... thought it was obvious that was a joke, but okay i guess?

Sarcasm/jokes don't translate very well through the internet. Body language, and voice tones do it more justice.

 

[Za3i8]

I would say that he's going to improve the framerate? Sure it looks like shit rn, and that is not because of the fps of the game, but because he only has like 4-3 frames of the animation total. I assume that he posted an unfinished version just to show what it will be like. I think he's gonna draw more frames to make it look smoother.

The assumption I have made comes from the fact that the "pauses" between animation frames are very regular, and look the same in every iteration. I think these are just the final versions of keyframes he made, which is a very amateurish move, but sorta expected from one new to animation. He's probably gonna draw the in-betweens later.

 

[Ganki]

I dont really mind this at all. plus didn't the game say that you have to put effort to not be overwhelmed by them sexually, otherwise your journey can't continue?

 

[TheUnsaid]

I love conversations like this because I'm incredibly passionate about game-design!

I'm gonna ignore the hostility in some of you guy's language and tone, because I can see you're frustrated and I can tell you all actually want to talk with how detailed your posts are.

Sorry if I'm a bit long-winded in my responses.

Werecat's sex pose in particular is very definitely meant to look as if she's on top of you, and that's only made clearer with the new animation having her pumping her hips during.

The problem is... she's not 100% a dom character.

I agree, but let me read on.

This new animation... doesn't really seem to reflect that. The Werecat's definitely moving, but I'm not totally sure on the guy's end. This makes it seem like Werecat is the one initiating and domming in every sex scene, and that's fine if you're a little femdom slut who only wants to be topped by monster girls... but it ain't what I want. I specifically liked this game because it seemed like I could avoid that for once.

OK I have multiple things to say to this.

First to get the elephant out of the room when you say "avoid that for once." it's genuinely ludicrous to me.
Maledom games are the vast majority of erotic games.

On DLsite, there's about 10 new game releases a day. Of those 10 you're lucky if even one is female assertive. Maledom games are so insanely normal and common in the industry, that I find it strange, you're coming into this discussion like a minority who's never catered to.

Please understand how absolutely baffling that is to me.

Second, regarding who's domming, it's clear that it's non-dom? Neither is taking full control. Guy's thrusting. Girl's moving. It's clearly half-and half.

Third, regarding this...
"and that's fine if you're a little femdom slut who only wants to be topped by monster girls... but it ain't what I want"

The game kind of made it clear where it was sexually though?
Kenkou Cross is the pioneer of monster girls reverse raping men and turning them into their husbands. Not only that but in this game, you literally cannot avoid the "defeat scene." The only way to lose in this game is to reach 100% love and the monster girl does not reach 100% love. When that happens, you get assaulted by the monster girl and you get a game over ending describing your life with the girl who raped you. You win if you reach 100% love and the monster girl also reaches 100% love.

In both cases the MC must reach 100% love.

When the MC reaches 100% love, that's when the "defeat" scene plays, with the "defeat" music and everything. It's literally unavoidable. When the MC reaches 100% love he's exhausted and the girl unilaterally gets turns to assault him.

I agree that in this game it gives the player the option to be assertive, but only to a certain degree.

• The monster girl enemy gets more turn-economy than you the player.
  If you want similar turn economy, you have to only use your kiss action which is the most passive action in the game.
• You are actively disincentivized from inserting into the enemy as all that happens is a change in stance, with you losing all of your AP.
• You will always reach 100% love and the enemy defeat scene will play every battle.

On a design level, the game is switch like you want, but it takes that switch leaning common to all battlefucks and pulls it towards female assertive sexuality through those design decisions.

So at least for now, it seems in Werecat's case that the animation takes away from her sex scenes and portrays them universally as one-way. Which is lame. The way these scenes were written made it clear there was room for however you wanted them to go down, but the animation doesn't seem to accurately portray that and I find that a drawback.

I mostly agree with this, which is why I wrote what I did.

I'm really sour on the whole thing because putting aside the subsequent higher workload that comes with animating, I felt like the way these scenes were "animated" was already super good. Just the way the cg was shifted to simulate riding, grinding, and thrusting and such gave each sex scene a ton of personality, way more than you'd expect. It was a super good result for how simple and easy an effect it was, and now it'll seemingly be tossed for an expensive method whose results aren't nearly as good. What a waste.

I'm half and half on this.

While the animation definitely took away from the erotic sense of the original demo, I think it opens up a new avenue of sexual expression. We just have to wait and see how it's utilized to decide on anything.

It makes more sense when you've 'tamed' them where the protagonist can then be more involved and loving, but if you lose to a monster girl in the wild, of course they're going to ravage and claim you, generally. The protagonist could perhaps be more involved if he was charmed or hypnotized or something to 'take charge', ala the Imp loss scene.

Exactly!
The scenes genuinely make less sense as we see them now.

If you have the defeat scene where the guy's still thrusting into her, then it doesn't gives the feeling that he's exhausted and at his limit to the point of passing out. Which btw is how all the scenes end. Dude never has enough stamina to stay awake for the girls. He always gets overwhelmed sexually to the point of such exhaustion he literally can't keep his eyelids open and keep his consciousness.

Also Werecat is 100% a dominant character. It's shown as such in the bad end where she utterly teases and forcefully overwhelms the protagonist with one-sided sex and affection everyday if you lose to her in earnest. She calls you her 'tom', and as such you don't have any independence or agency - just to love and breed her and obey her every whim.

How monster girls work in this world is that, generally, most of them are dominant, with the rare case of submissive monster girls who are more subtle in their ways to ensnare potential mates. However, if someone comes along who's stronger than them, and beats or tames them - then, and only then, do they become more submissive and obedient.

Basically Werecats are 100% dominant /unless/ you prove to them you're more than just a lowly tom, in this instance.

Ah this is objectively wrong btw.

Sorry...

In Monster Girl Encyclopedia there are quite literally no full doms. Almost every girl's a switch. In fact, there are more submissive girls than there are dominant ones. Especially recently.

Werecat is 100% a switch. If you wanted to be fully aggressive and take charge doggystyle literally every time you had sex she'd be fine with that. In fact, she calls you a loser, unironically, if you don't take charge. Every single girl in the game is a switch, with the only exceptions being the full submissives.

There are girls like dormouse who are literally asleep who are fully submissive, and the Umi Osho who is fully submissive.

There are no full doms. Even Hellhound's whole gimmik is that she will submit to you and let you mating press and pound her doggy. The thing with Hellhound though is that when you're done and exhausted she'll reverse it on you. She likes getting dommed and domming.

I mean, the idea of an unconscious man still moving their hips in their sleep while the monster girl rides them is well within the realm of MGE. Is it really proactive, if he doesn't even intend to do it? The same is true of the monster girl in rape-play, with her body just instinctually moving to meet yours, which is an unsurprising thing I would expect to find in a sexual scene in MGE. This is why I do not see an indication of dom/sub for the protagonist in the animation, at all.

I argue that whether or not is possible is besides the point, but what kind of sexual feeling it gives to players is what matters more.

The idea of husbands dominating their monster girl wives while uncommon is not super rare. We have The Land of the Four Souls in the Mist Continent for example, a human dominated faction there, where the monster girls are generally housewives, while the men/incubi go out to fight. When it comes to femdom, I only like it light, and I am acquainted with the lore of MGE, a lot of which is up to interpretation anyway. Now, KC does probably lean towards femdom personally, so I expect most scenes to turn that way, sadly, despite there being clear paths to maledom in the setting.

I do wonder why so many femdom games get so many maledom fans.
The SEQUEL series is another one where the games are like 90% female assertive sexually but has an incredibly large fanbase of maledom fans.

...

Like... do maledom players not play maledom games or something? I genuinely don't understand this phenomena

Up above we had a user talk like only femdom games exist and that he's not being catered to as a maledom fans when it seems like he plays exclusively femdom games.

It's been discussed in this thread before, but KC himself has been kinda transparently disillusioned with the monster girl femdom crowd. Because of games like MGQ, the widespread conception is that monster girls = femdom, which is boring and restrictive, and after more than 10+ years of it the genre has grown super stale and stagnant. Turns out intentionally pigeonholing the subculture isn't very conducive to growth, who knew.

Oh this is false btw.

Just to clarify but KC's frustration isn't monster girls = femdom.
He did art for MGQ, and literally all of his girls were exclusively femdom.

The thing he's frustrated with is that people treat monster girls as just "monsters" not "girls."

He's tired of games that have monster girls not have romance with the monster girls. It's always a battlefuck with a monster girl where you enter some casual sexual competition, and then dump the girls to the side while you have romances with humans. (All of Circle Teckua)

Or games where you fuck monster girls, and they literally have no talking lines, personality or interests. (apple rooftop)

...

He's frustrated that the love and affection core to his desires with monster girls are completely ignored in most media that have them. They're supposed to be your wives, not throwaway fuck buddies. That's why the MGERPG is designed the way it is. He's taking matters into his own hands. This is how you treat my darling monster girls kind of deal.

Point is: this game seemed like a very intentional breath of fresh air. Yeah just like every other monster girl game ever made you can sub hard, but the Werecat's scenes especially made it seem like there was an emphasis on keeping the scenes "even" and actually giving you a choice for the most part. And that's extremely appreciated, considering how rare it is.

Gonna be genuinely honest man...
Please go play maledom games. You are not the minority XD. You are the majority to such a degree you have like... no idea apparently.

I do agree though that your relationship with werecat seems even scene wise.

Same with Imp. Imp's "rape play" exists to show as proof that practically every monster girl is a switch that wants to be assaulted.

He's probably gonna draw the in-betweens later.

With how much work he's already put on his plate, I really fucking hope that's not the case, or else this game's never gonna release.

I dont really mind this at all. plus didn't the game say that you have to put effort to not be overwhelmed by them sexually, otherwise your journey can't continue?

Yes!

Monster Girl Encyclopedia is a switch setting. If you aren't at least slightly dominant, the girls won't respect you and you just become their husbands with your adventure ending. The "bad ending" is literally just you deciding to quit your adventure and settling down.

 

[Noctis_]

My bad, then.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

Now, KC does probably lean towards femdom personally, so I expect most scenes to turn that way, sadly, despite there being clear paths to maledom in the setting.

Meh, I'm with Unsaid when he said KC doesn't know himself sexually.
Have you read his QAs lol?

He himself is clearly a switch with a femdom preference, but he wants everyone to like monster girls, so design wise he tries to appeal to everyone. When you try to appeal to the norm what do you think happens to your sexual content leaning?

There's only about fifteen million monster-girl games that cater to those exact tastes, so coming after the one game that strays from the norm just comes off as petty. It's not even that the game doesn't have femdom, it's that the game's not exclusively so. Just... why.

Hm?

I'm not sure but I think there's miscommunication here.

The way I'm interpreting what the others are saying is that what's already in the game is coded as femdom more than maledom so those animations make less sense.

Also broooooo... you are not the minority you think are, I promise. Go play maledom games. Play like... any Jaxycreate game and cool off.

I see what KC's going for and I'm all for it. He wants to do something unique and different from the norm and it lines up with what I like for a change, so I want to see him take this game in ways that expand it, and not in directions that instead make it more restrictive.

I'm not sure we're all seeing the same vision that's for sure.

Like bro, you "lose" when you win.

I think the core focus KC cares about is just that there's gonna be game with romance and monster girls in it. That's it. Full stop.

 

[TheUnsaid]

My bad, then.

No worries, it's a common misconception with KC since that's where he started.

Remember his views on monster girls was just.

What if the enemy monsters in Dragon Quest were hot monster girls, but instead of trying to kill the protagonist they fucked him and made him their husband instead?

That's like... 100% femdom.

Think about monsters in regular RPGs. Can they be reasoned with? No. Your only options as the hero of DQ is to fight back or lose. You can't walk 10 steps without encountering one that wants to attack you either.

But because he cares about romance and relationships, when he sat down and built his world he really wanted everyone to like the thing he was building. He wanted everyone to like monster girls.

Everyone includes guys that want to rape girls.

The only people he didn't let in the club were cucks and guro fiends. Everyone else is welcome. Wanna rape a monster girl? For sure you can write a fanfic where a guy does that. Buuuuut because romance is the focus, you have to make the man fall in love with the monster girl he raped and become better.

This exact scenario happens in the demo.

etc. etc.

Meh, I'm with Unsaid when he said KC doesn't know himself sexually.

When did I say that?

 

[AestheticSeeker]

When did I say that?

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitccchhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Finding that was annoying. I'm going to go physically slap you now.

 

[bunny931]

I think my consumption of maledom vs femdom games is pretty even, actually. I fluctuate between the two. And while most of the time I enjoy sexual content from the male pov, I sometimes enjoy putting myself in the shoes of the female pov in femdom (which I guess is one way I enjoy harder femdom, that for some reason I didn't think about earlier). The fact that in game you're seeing the sub's pov is actually fuel for a dom to enjoy. On a different note, my engagement with NTR content is similar, for I engage with it more sadistically, like enjoying it from a bull's pov.
I do like to fantasize some times about dominating hard-femdom succubi and the like, even though that might not be the point of the games, lol. But I would say that is still partly inspired by these femdom games, even if not intentionally so.

Anyway, I can only relate my personal experience, there is not much I can say about the general community engagement. There could be many untold reasons why seemingly maledom enjoyers gravitate to femdom games.

I just wish that the loving relationship between the protagonist of this game and the waifus didn't feel so adversarial (past the first sex scene) everytime they get to bed to have sex...

 

[AestheticSeeker]

maledom enjoyers gravitate to femdom games.

Nobody's saying they don't though?

Just the way some other guys were talking like "woe is me, I can't find any games where the man's dominant."

Like bitch, just play maledom games for fucks sake. Do you really not see how utterly retarded it is, to play almost exclusively femdom games, and then complain at those games for not having enough maledom? Does that sound like the actions of a sane person?

And I'm not even saying that MGERPG is a femdom game when I say this. Just the fact that some have talked like it's a breath of fresh air when the guy gets to dom? I said it casually, but this is literally just such a dumb position I can't really engage with it w/o getting mad.

On a different note, my engagement with NTR content is similar, for I engage with it more sadistically, like enjoying it from a bull's pov.

You understand that makes it very hard to empathize with you as a person and my value judgement of your opinion has drastically dropped now right XD?

I just wish that the loving relationship between the protagonist of this game and the waifus didn't feel so adversarial (past the first sex scene) everytime they get to bed to have sex...

May I ask where the adversity is?

The only even slightly adverserial scene is the first one. Every other one is just... "look they're having sex" choose what happens.

Every single battlefuck after the first one has no game over condition. You can surrender turn 1, and win.
It's literally just, "hey, you and your wife are fucking what do you want to do now?" and that's it.

Where's the friction?

 

[bunny931]

Nobody's saying they don't though?

I was mentioning it because of someone who said they do, not that they didn't. I don't understand your response to my comment, unless you're just making a wider point for others to see it.

You understand that makes it very hard to empathize with you as a person and my value judgement of your opinion has drastically dropped now right XD?

Not really sure of what the point is there to your response. And, hell, I'm not even sure what exactly is the point you're trying to make with that response. Should I be concerned about your value judgments? Well, anyway, if you're engaging with me, I'll try to respond.

May I ask where the adversity is?

Sure. In the bed scenes, it's always a battle for who gets satisfied first, or whether you can manage to get to full satisfaction at the same time. That aspect of it is always there. The only way not to engage in that, is to simply sub to the waifu in that scene, or to simply not do those scenes. I think that is exhausting. I understand it from the core of MGE, but it could have also been more lovey-dovey imo, and less of a struggle, which I think is the spirit of a husband and their monster girl wife having sex, that their sex gets more lovey-dovey, and it doesn't translate as well, I think this adversarial essence of it is more prevalent instead.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

Not really sure of what the point is there to your response. And, hell, I'm not even sure what exactly is the point you're trying to make with that response. Should I be concerned about your value judgments? Well, anyway, if you're engaging with me, I'll try to respond.

It was a joke. That's why I ended it with XD

Sure. In the bed scenes, it's always a battle for who gets satisfied first, or whether you can manage to get to full satisfaction at the same time. That aspect of it is always there.

Yeah... if you want to satisfy your girl you have to try.

I don't understand what core you're trying to get to.

The only way not to engage in that, is to simply sub to the waifu in that scene, or to simply not do those scenes.

Yeah. Being submissive means it's easier to engage in sex as the girls are more proactive. That's how sex works yes.

I think that is exhausting. I understand it from the core of MGE, but it could have also been more lovey-dovey imo, and less of a struggle,

Bro. If you want to dom the girls and make them cum, you have to be proactive.

The battles are literally just, "you and your girl are having sex, what do you choose to do?"

I understand it from the core of MGE, but it could have also been more lovey-dovey imo, and less of a struggle

You can whisper words of love, seek affection and all that shit.
It's one of the few battlefuck systems that literally have separate actions for lovey dovey stuff.

There is no struggle? If you want to dom your girl put in the work. That's your prerogative. If you don't want to dom your girl, then don't?

You're stressing yourself out. Game's not doing it to you.

Outside of the first encounter, there's genuinely no adversarial sense in the game. You quite literally cannot lose those battles anymore.

Btw, if you immediately surrender, the girls are unhappy, and call you names. Basically, the monstergirls hate subs, so they want you to do at least something b4 you surrender if you do. So like... uhh... kiss them first and do words of affirmation then surrender I guess.

 

[bunny931]

That's not what I was getting at. I would have preferred less of a leaning into sub/dom dynamics in those scenes, if possible. The always present sub/dom dynamics make it exhausting, imo. I don't see why every time the protagonist goes to bed with a wife, it has to turn into more sub/dom play, they could just have sex divorced from the sub/dom dynamics. But there is no choice to do that, it is always a sub/dom struggle that you get instead.

 

[Gorleone]

Monster girls are almost exclusively femdom. Always have been. They are not really related to the mainstream of games.

And monster musume came before everything else. and while just ecchi it very much leaned toward light femdom too. A lot of wrong takes here.

 

[TheUnsaid]

That's not what I was getting at. I would have preferred less of a leaning into sub/dom dynamics in those scenes, if possible. The always present sub/dom dynamics make it exhausting, imo. I don't see why every time the protagonist goes to bed with a wife, it has to turn into more sub/dom play, they could just have sex divorced from the sub/dom dynamics. But there is no choice to do that, it is always a sub/dom struggle that you get instead.

You are just having sex though?
On her turn she does sexy stuff to you. On your turn you can choose to do sexy stuff to her. You're definitely reading too much into it.

Sounds like you just want passive scenes where you just read the text instead of interactable ones.

To that I say you're being ridiculous. Especially coming from someone who prefers male assertive content.

Monster girls are almost exclusively femdom. Always have been. They are not really related to the mainstream of games.

And monster musume came before everything else. and while just ecchi it very much leaned toward light femdom too. A lot of wrong takes here.

Not really.

Rance has monster girls.
Eushully games have monster girls.

KC popularized the idea of monster girls and Torotoro's MGQ took the idea and catapulted it more into mainstream eroge. Then it got pulled out of mainstream eroge into regular anime fandom with Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou.

I agree that monster girls started off as femdom, but they're mainstream now. Devs like Apple Rooftop and Jaxycreate make maledom monster girl battlefuck games after all. Since they're mainstream as a concept they're gonna cater to as many people as possible and maledom is the normal.

For MGERPG, KC always intended the girls to be switch, since he cares about the popularity of monster girls, trying to reach as many male fantasies as possible. He'd be severely limiting his audience if that wasn't the case. That's why he included monsters like Alps btw. He genuinely does care about reaching as many people as possible. It's also why he cuts off toxic communities like NTR and the Guro fans.