RPGM Completed Monster Girl Quest: Paradox [Part 3 v3.01] [Torotoro Resistance]

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wae1029

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Don't really have my computer right now to test it but I was wondering since you have three gem slots on spirits legacy which is the crisis triple action item. And reaper's challenge gave you a crisis triple action gem. Would they stack or would they not work together because they are the same effect?

Pushing this even further. If they do work together adding Sphinx on top of it so that you got 6 extra actions for a total of 7 actions at low health.

I have no idea since most additional action stacking strategies that I am aware of typically use different skills with different effects so I'm not sure if they would stack.

Anyway, all this came to mind because I was thinking about the fact that spirit's legacy has gem slots now when it didn't in the previous parts. So it's a lot stronger now because I can slot in the stuff I got from reaper's challenge.

Adding gem slots to items greatly increase their value And it's convenient because I have gems that would replace items that I currently have equipped to characters like giganto bracelet on Luka for big attack numbers.
 
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Don't really have my computer right now to test it but I was wondering since you have three gem slots on spirits legacy which is the crisis triple action item. And reaper's challenge gave you a crisis triple action gem. Would they stack or would they not work together because they are the same effect?

Pushing this even further. If they do work together adding Sphinx on top of it so that you got 6 extra actions for a total of 7 actions at low health.

I have no idea since most additional action stacking strategies that I am aware of typically use different skills with different effects so I'm not sure if they would stack.

Anyway, all this came to mind because I was thinking about the fact that spirit's legacy has gem slots now when it didn't in the previous parts. So it's a lot stronger now because I can slot in the stuff I got from reaper's challenge.

Adding gem slots to items greatly increase their value And it's convenient because I have gems that would replace items that I currently have equipped to characters like giganto bracelet on Luka for big attack numbers.
which person are you referring to?

I found it was a godsend to equip one of those bracelets that negates enemy encounters. Most of the dungeons aren't that big, and you can run through them in a few minutes.
I'm surprised you didn't level up the job that has no encounters built in :unsure: unless you are early in the game.
 
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niemand2134

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Don't really have my computer right now to test it but I was wondering since you have three gem slots on spirits legacy which is the crisis triple action item. And reaper's challenge gave you a crisis triple action gem. Would they stack or would they not work together because they are the same effect?

Pushing this even further. If they do work together adding Sphinx on top of it so that you got 6 extra actions for a total of 7 actions at low health.

I have no idea since most additional action stacking strategies that I am aware of typically use different skills with different effects so I'm not sure if they would stack.

Anyway, all this came to mind because I was thinking about the fact that spirit's legacy has gem slots now when it didn't in the previous parts. So it's a lot stronger now because I can slot in the stuff I got from reaper's challenge.

Adding gem slots to items greatly increase their value And it's convenient because I have gems that would replace items that I currently have equipped to characters like giganto bracelet on Luka for big attack numbers.
Crisis actions are buffs and usually similar buffs add, but not the same ones. I tried one with +1 and one with +2, that works, but I'm not sure how to test with spirits legacy. Spirit legacy and in praise of folly can't be used together and without it my character won't get below 20% hp.
 
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wae1029

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which person are you referring to?
It's a general, I'm not able to test this myself. Can someone who has the ability to, test it?

Spirit legacy and in praise of folly can't be used together and without it my character won't get below 20% hp.
I don't know why you're talking about using two completely separate items that's not really relevant to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using two similar crisis action buffs which can be used together. I just don't know how they would interact. Like I said reaper challenge gives a Critical Triple Action gem while spirits legacy has gem slots to theoretically slot in said gem to test this. Then I said hypothetically if it does work to add in ancient deity's critical double action special ability to see how that interacts and if the crisis action combo can be pushed further. And for the purposes of semantics speech, critical and crisis mean the same thing being 20% HP or lower.

And can you not just set your HP to one? That is very much a thing you can do with the suicide training item and unequipping it. Or use edging mid battle. Unless you have something auto healing at the start of battle which at that point you would just unequip it because that isn't relevant to the test.
 
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wae1029

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It's a general, I'm not able to test this myself. Can someone who has the ability to, test it?



I don't know why you're talking about using two completely separate items that's not really relevant to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using two similar crisis action buffs which can be used together. I just don't know how they would interact. Like I said reaper challenge gives a Critical Triple Action gem while spirits legacy has gem slots to theoretically slot in said gem to test this. Then I said hypothetically if it does work to add in ancient deity's critical double action special ability to see how that interacts and if the crisis action combo can be pushed further. And for the purposes of semantics speech, critical and crisis mean the same thing being 20% HP or lower.

And can you not just set your HP to one? That is very much a thing you can do with the suicide training item and unequipping it. Or use edging mid battle. Unless you have something auto healing at the start of battle which at that point you would just unequip it because that isn't relevant to the test.
either way I'm back at my computer so I can test it for myself and it looks like the triple crisis gem override's spirit legacy's effect so the max I can get out of the effect is the gem's 3 actions so I am better off doing something different still spirits legacy having 3 gem slots is really nice for something not from labyrinth of chaos or the chaos route.
 

CressAsakura

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Is it worth it to start playing this game now? I'm a huge fan of the story, so H-scenes alone won't do it for me. I wanted to know if I would possibly be frustrated by reaching part 3 since it's still not full translated.
 
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wae1029

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Is it worth it to start playing this game now? I'm a huge fan of the story, so H-scenes alone won't do it for me. I wanted to know if I would possibly be frustrated by reaching part 3 since it's still not full translated.
I mean you would still get to enjoy parts 1 and 2 and maybe even the Collab event presuming it is only locked by the end of part 2 and not the full game and there is a machine translation of part 3 if you don't mind that so your only frustration would be waiting for a more personally done translation of the final part. I would say you have plenty of content to enjoy.
 
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CressAsakura

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I mean you would still get to enjoy parts 1 and 2 and maybe even the Collab event presuming it is only locked by the end of part 2 and not the full game and there is a machine translation of part 3 if you don't mind that so your only frustration would be waiting for a more personally done translation of the final part. I would say you have plenty of content to enjoy.
How bad is the MTL?
 

Yoloswagking

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How bad is the MTL?
It depend of the translation tool you are using. I played when mtool was the only good option and the translation was pretty poetic with Luka being a She half the time, but now we have a better human correction of some mtl by a guy named Bobserious from the game discord and it's pretty good.
I heard that the tool named Luna is pretty good too but I have never used it so no real opinion.

At the end of the day if the story is what you want, you can finish the game and do something else with your life or wait 1 year for some good translation team to end the translation. Your call.
 

Succubus Hunter

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I am currently on Part 2 (Just made it to Grangold City. Is there any benefit to updating to the latest version of the game now or any point before reaching the end of Part 2?
 

niemand2134

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I don't know why you're talking about using two completely separate items that's not really relevant to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using two similar crisis action buffs which can be used together. I just don't know how they would interact. Like I said reaper challenge gives a Critical Triple Action gem while spirits legacy has gem slots to theoretically slot in said gem to test this. Then I said hypothetically if it does work to add in ancient deity's critical double action special ability to see how that interacts and if the crisis action combo can be pushed further. And for the purposes of semantics speech, critical and crisis mean the same thing being 20% HP or lower.

And can you not just set your HP to one? That is very much a thing you can do with the suicide training item and unequipping it. Or use edging mid battle. Unless you have something auto healing at the start of battle which at that point you would just unequip it because that isn't relevant to the test.
You confuse the people while asking questions, want an answer to a questions about details in a forum fast and then you criticize answers?
The gem for crisis triple action gives a buff, that gives 2 actions(under specific circumstances). Spirit legacy and the ability crisis double action give a buff that gives 1 action(under specific circumstances). If you equip all 3 you get +3 actions for the 2 buffs. If you also use stuff that gives actions directly, you can reach 7+ actions.
Why I mentioned an other item? because 1. I tried checking it at the wrong location(good one for most tests, but in that case it requires that item or other preperations) and 2. a slot for 3 sockets and 10 special abilitiy points (to replace crisis double action) isn't a great trade. You can get better stuff with other items.
 
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I View attachment 4476765 .... don't think this is normal
In fact, it actually is (so long as you don't see Errors in red in CMD, the process of patching has been successful).
Ye I know it's weird tho.

I don't know why you're talking about using two completely separate items that's not really relevant to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using two similar crisis action buffs which can be used together. I just don't know how they would interact. Like I said reaper challenge gives a Critical Triple Action gem while spirits legacy has gem slots to theoretically slot in said gem to test this. Then I said hypothetically if it does work to add in ancient deity's critical double action special ability to see how that interacts and if the crisis action combo can be pushed further. And for the purposes of semantics speech, critical and crisis mean the same thing being 20% HP or lower.

And can you not just set your HP to one? That is very much a thing you can do with the suicide training item and unequipping it. Or use edging mid battle. Unless you have something auto healing at the start of battle which at that point you would just unequip it because that isn't relevant to the test.
You confuse the people while asking questions, want an answer to a questions about details in a forum fast and then you criticize answers?
The gem for crisis triple action gives a buff, that gives 2 actions(under specific circumstances). Spirit legacy and the ability crisis double action give a buff that gives 1 action(under specific circumstances). If you equip all 3 you get +3 actions for the 2 buffs. If you also use stuff that gives actions directly, you can reach 7+ actions.
Why I mentioned an other item? because 1. I tried checking it at the wrong location(good one for most tests, but in that case it requires that item or other preperations) and 2. a slot for 3 sockets and 10 special abilitiy points (to replace crisis double action) isn't a great trade. You can get better stuff with other items.
Basically, you can stack different buffs (and Items/Abilities/Gems that give them) with similar bonuses (such as Crisis Double Action, which gives +1 action, and Crisis Triple Action, which gives +2 actions), but CANNOT stack the same buff, even if given by separate sources.
An easy rule of thumb is that, if you can get a buff with a specific effect (and without any unique name) from 2 different sources, those sources won't stack.
Eg: All the skills that can provide the "Atk +50%" buff; however, skills that provide buffs that include other bonuses (such as "All Stats +50%" which obviously also includes Atk) will stack (another example, the Spirit summon buffs on Luka, that provide Stat up buffs, also stack with other stat up buffs, since they are separate buffs with separate names).

Problem with simply setting your HP to 1 before a fight is that you might still want to use AoE heal skills to heal the other companions, which in turn would also end up healing your Crisis character. The previously-specified Abilities solve that issue by capping or removing healing altogether for said characters. It really depends on your Team composition
 

wae1029

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You confuse the people while asking questions, want an answer to a questions about details in a forum fast and then you criticize answers?
The gem for crisis triple action gives a buff, that gives 2 actions(under specific circumstances). Spirit legacy and the ability crisis double action give a buff that gives 1 action(under specific circumstances). If you equip all 3 you get +3 actions for the 2 buffs. If you also use stuff that gives actions directly, you can reach 7+ actions.
Why I mentioned an other item? because 1. I tried checking it at the wrong location(good one for most tests, but in that case it requires that item or other preperations) and 2. a slot for 3 sockets and 10 special abilitiy points (to replace crisis double action) isn't a great trade. You can get better stuff with other items.
It wasn't confusing. It was quite clear. I stated the 2 items being used for the test, an accessory and a gem, presented a hypothetical if they did worked together and how to push it further with another existing ability.

I criticized the answer because it was more a hypothesis than an answer since you didn't do they test as you said you were unsure of how to conduct it. I questioned the use of an unrelated items such as a crisis stat booster which was irrelevant to an action multiplying strategy. As well as the apparent by your admission inability to go below 20% because you chose to keep healing on a crisis build test. What I said we're mearly suggestions to facilitate the test.

And yes, I am fully aware that there are better items. I don't have those better items. This isn't a test about those better items. And at my present place in the game, three gem slots on a single item is a fantastic trade.
 
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niemand2134

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It wasn't confusing. It was quite clear.
I still don't know how you get potentially 7 actions, when adding 1, 2, 1 and 1. It doesn't help that there is a similar item with a wrong description and the trait from sphinx gives a chance to get an action.

I criticized the answer because it was more a hypothesis than an answer since you didn't do they test as you said you were unsure of how to conduct it. I questioned the use of an unrelated items such as a crisis stat booster which was irrelevant to an action multiplying strategy. As well as the apparent by your admission inability to go below 20% because you chose to keep healing on a crisis build test. What I said we're mearly suggestions to facilitate the test.
You expect someone to make a test build just because you are away half a day? hell no.
I don't intent to repeat myself, so I won't answer you anymore.
 
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i know its a lot of work , but its sad that not all playable characters have cutout attacks
I know!
For some characters, I was genuinely surprised to see they had cut-ins. So I tried out a bunch of different skills with some of my favorite characters.
I wish there was an easy way to tell what characters have them, and what skills trigger them.

It's criminal how(3rd route spoilers)
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I also have to say, I'm not a fan of the cut-ins for
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Ilias or Ambrosia. It's like this art for them doesn't really match their portrait and other body art.
 
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