Most dislike tropes

[Purb]

It was a joke lol, i wasnt 100 percent serious about the racist thing. I only said it because the person implied i was being racist because of my shorthand "mc's bestfriend is black" statement without clarifying what i meant. I'm aware of the reason why most main protags are white but the more years pass, the less i believe that's the reason. I get it, sell to the largest audience which is probably white ppl but ppl also say the characters race shouldn't really matter, as long as they you can relate to them and they are done well. I look at the daily updates and new releases and see games with children, female, demon, japanese, and futa protags. While im sure there are a good number of ppl who fit some of those boxes (females, lgbt, and jap), i'm sure there are ppl playing those games that don't check any of those boxes and play them just fine. It's just tiring that i'm more likely to see a game with a child or a character that look like his balls haven't even dropped as a mc than finding a game with a protag that is a regular black guy (that isn't some shit post or ntr). I'm not here to make waves or anything but if I can play a vn or 90 percent of vidya games in general (as a black guy) and relate or grow attached to the many white protags with no issue then i feel like anyone should be able to do the same. Hell I've seen quite a few times where ppl who arent black are wondering why there are none as well as, like you, wouldn't mind playing as a black mc.

XD no worries, but yeah i can agree on seeing some Black MC that isn't in a game always with NTR, cheating, Netori and such.

 

[Purb]

yeah, liam has been my only exception for years as well. but just a while ago I ran into the second one ever, the big crude fucker called Luis in halfway home. in the beginning he seems like he's going to be the typical asswipe you just want to kick from game, but turns out he has your back in every situation, is generous, has big heart, and even though he comes off as a creep he has principles against abusing women in any way. he's sort of like a dumb liam.

What's AVN?

 

[Purb]

Also i am just not liking the cheating wife trope more and more. Seems like each story is bland more and more.

 

[woody554]

What's AVN?

acting lessons for liam, halfway house for luis. I miswrote halfway house earlier...

 

[Purb]

acting lessons for liam, halfway house for luis. I miswrote halfway house earlier...

Ah okay!

 

[Xaoyu]

The very stupid trop of women having an orgasm while being raped. I don't even understand to what audience is it directed. People who like rape fantasy want to see the illusion of the lack of control of the heroine so if she likes it it's not really rape anymore, and people who are not into rape fantasy are in the awkward position of having a mix of forced and vanilla scene that does not make much sense.

There is a lot of problem in games made by OneOne1 for exemple, but at least when they were going into the dark path of rape that was actual rape, like in the Heiress. Not the stupid completely non immersive situation where the heroine is like "Oh no, please stop ! Or not... i shouldn't feel that way but it's so good ! please continue!" What the heck is this ! her facial expression doesn't even show any concern about what is happening to her.

 

[NesteroV]

The very stupid trop of women having an orgasm while being raped. I don't even understand to what audience is it directed. People who like rape fantasy want to see the illusion of the lack of control of the heroine so if she likes it it's not really rape anymore, and people who are not into rape fantasy are in the awkward position of having a mix of forced and vanilla scene that does not make much sense.

There is a lot of problem in games made by OneOne1 for exemple, but at least when they were going into the dark path of rape that was actual rape, like in the Heiress. Not the stupid completely non immersive situation where the heroine is like "Oh no, please stop ! Or not... i shouldn't feel that way but it's so good ! please continue!" What the heck is this ! her facial expression doesn't even show any concern about what is happening to her.

You apply rules from reality to fantasy. You are also in a dark place, on a web site where rape tag is more common than romance. Audience here might not value realism or morality but a quality of their fap.

What the heck is this?
Pornography addiction is common and affects one's brain, as well as dopamine system leading them to wish for more extreme stimulation than previously. This is why people like to break taboos. They value themselves and their pleasure more than anything else.

 

[Jaike]

You apply rules from reality to fantasy. You are also in a dark place called internet on a web site where rape tag is more common than romance. Audience here might not value realism or morality but a quality of their fap. Pornography addiction is common disease that affects one's brain, as well as dopamine system leading them to wish for more stimulation than previously. This is why people like to break taboos. They value themselves and their pleasure more than anything else.

You're kinda reinforcing their point that the trope is "very stupid", though. Fantasy has different rules than reality, but it needs rules that match up with reality in some way or a game or story just becomes alienating and loses all stakes except as pure fetish bait.

 

[woody554]

The very stupid trop of women having an orgasm while being raped. I don't even understand to what audience is it directed. People who like rape fantasy want to see the illusion of the lack of control of the heroine so if she likes it it's not really rape anymore

it's usually not about rape not being rape anymore, it's about the victim losing control and being betrayed by their own body. the fetish is to dominate her so overwhelmingly that she can't even decide of her own orgasm.

and it's not stupid.

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which therapists treating rape survivors see all the time, victims who orgasmed during it. which makes it even worse for them as it tends to make the victim blame him or herself even more than usual, which just makes the psychological trauma that much deeper and harder to heal from. but the thing is the orgasm is an involuntary biological reaction by your body and it can happen against your will no matter how much you fight it.

 

[Jaike]

and it's not stupid.

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which therapists treating rape survivors see all the time, victims who orgasmed during it. which makes it even worse for them as it tends to make the victim blame him or herself even more than usual, which just makes the psychological trauma that much deeper and harder to heal from. but the thing is the orgasm is an involuntary biological reaction by your body and it can happen against your will no matter how much you fight it.

That's true, but I think that this realistic depiction is relatively rare, at least if it's done consistently. What's more common is that the rape victim begins to love it at a point or becomes corrupted so much it doesn't matter anymore, especially in Japanese shovelware.

 

[tanstaafl]

That's true, but I think that this realistic depiction is relatively rare, at least if it's done consistently. What's more common is that the rape victim begins to love it at a point or becomes corrupted so much it doesn't matter anymore, especially in Japanese shovelware.

I've dubbed this the rape'em till you break'em trope. It's an avoid for me every time.

 

[NesteroV]

You're kinda reinforcing their point that the trope is "very stupid", though. Fantasy has different rules than reality, but it needs rules that match up with reality in some way or a game or story just becomes alienating and loses all stakes except as pure fetish bait.

I agree with you.

Rape is evil by definition, but naive people might not be aware of it. This is why I believe there are many game developers who seem to not capture the real thing, but what they understood when they were exposed to it(online). There was probably no research done about the matter as well.

It might be seen as a harmless kink in a fantasy world where we are just playing, not the real thing. But thinking about it and publicly sharing story in which you can see the act itself is rather different experience. This is why I believe people should pay more attention before "creation".

 

[NesteroV]

I've dubbed this the rape'em till you break'em trope. It's an avoid for me every time.

As many should. By torturing other people you corrupt yourself, thinking that feeling amazing justifies your rape. Until someone actually tortures you.

 

[woody554]

I agree with you.

Rape is evil by definition, but naive people might not be aware of it. This is why I believe there are many game developers who seem to not capture the real thing, but what they understood when they were exposed to it(online). There was probably no research done about the matter as well.

It might be seen as a harmless kink in a fantasy world where we are just playing, not the real thing. But thinking about it and publicly sharing story in which you can see the act itself is rather different experience. This is why I believe people should pay more attention before "creation".

it's an understandable opinion, but false according to misconception #1 and #3 from

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"Misguided assumptions about rape are that: (1) rape is a crime of sexual arousal, (2) most rapists are adult males, and (3) pornography acts as a triggering mechanism for rape."

so nope, playing porn games is not something that makes people think it's fine to abuse others. what is then? well...

"The common characteristics of rapists included having a sense of worthlessness and low self-esteem, being a loner physically and psychologically, and having been a young victim of sexual abuse."


so pretty much broken incel brahs binging on andrew tate, jordan peterson and other redpill/manosphere stars. (in addition the description fits the 'unrealistic' stuttering loser MC incredibly well.)

 

[NesteroV]

it's an understandable opinion, but false according to misconception #1 and #3 from

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:

"Misguided assumptions about rape are that: (1) rape is a crime of sexual arousal, (2) most rapists are adult males, and (3) pornography acts as a triggering mechanism for rape."

so nope, playing porn games is not something that makes people think it's fine to abuse others. what is then? well...

"The common characteristics of rapists included having a sense of worthlessness and low self-esteem, being a loner physically and psychologically, and having been a young victim of sexual abuse."


so pretty much broken incel brahs binging on andrew tate, jordan peterson and other redpill/manosphere stars. (in addition the description fits the 'unrealistic' stuttering loser MC incredibly well.)

Physiological starvation seems to explain why people do it indeed. Desiring something to the point of obsession but not getting it causes many negative changes in person.

Yet I think that providing one with a demonstration of the act also provides an idea and methods of doing so. Isn't it a motivational factor for people who fit given description even slightly? Now they are aware of it, they might be presented to main character's "plan" now. Isn't it what makes people more confident and increase their chances of actually doing it?

 

[woody554]

Physiological starvation seems to explain why people do it indeed. Desiring something to the point of obsession but not getting it causes many negative changes in person.

Yet I think that providing one with a demonstration of the act also provides an idea and methods of doing so. Isn't it a motivational factor for people who fit given description even slightly? Now they are aware of it, they might be presented to main character's "plan" now. Isn't it what makes people more confident and increase their chances of actually doing it?

the same study mentioned that: "detective magazines are cited by rapists as an intelligence source or primer in the business of rape. "

 

[Geigi]

The very stupid trop of women having an orgasm while being raped. I don't even understand to what audience is it directed. People who like rape fantasy want to see the illusion of the lack of control of the heroine so if she likes it it's not really rape anymore, and people who are not into rape fantasy are in the awkward position of having a mix of forced and vanilla scene that does not make much sense.

There is a lot of problem in games made by OneOne1 for exemple, but at least when they were going into the dark path of rape that was actual rape, like in the Heiress. Not the stupid completely non immersive situation where the heroine is like "Oh no, please stop ! Or not... i shouldn't feel that way but it's so good ! please continue!" What the heck is this ! her facial expression doesn't even show any concern about what is happening to her.

It's called romanticization. Same goes for possessiveness, yandere, mafia trope, incest, etc.

 

[desmosome]

That's true, but I think that this realistic depiction is relatively rare, at least if it's done consistently. What's more common is that the rape victim begins to love it at a point or becomes corrupted so much it doesn't matter anymore, especially in Japanese shovelware.

How else would I fap to rape as a fedora tipping gentleman? I don't want them traumatized and crying all the time~ Real women can be such debbie downers.