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I'm in the same boat. I wrote a review for the game this morning, but all the cancel-culture, social-media aspects of the story are dumb as hell and fit in with the rest of it like a fart in an elevator. It's weird enough that I've been thinking about it since last night.

What gets me is that it all comes hand in hand with some great character work. Ivy in particular is a surprisingly empathetic portrayal of a trans woman, and the scene with Yuna's dad is touching. Both their scenes are way better done than they had to be, considering that they're both there as porn justification. All the friendships hit, the dialogue's good, and the MC visibly has a number of serious character flaws that he tries to counteract with incredible warmth and generosity towards his loved ones.

All the cancel culture stuff falls absolutely flat, though, especially when you find out what it was that the MC actually did and why.
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More crucially, the MC being "canceled" doesn't matter at all, except for when it gives the characters/author an excuse to rant about it. For a "canceled" guy, the MC is still given an astonishing amount of money, trust, licensing deals, real estate, and consumer goods right off the hop the second he gets to Texas. It's like that political cartoon about the guy ranting about how he's been canceled on TV, then to a large audience, and then in a best-selling book, but Move the Chains seems to be absolutely serious.
I like the whole presentation of the VN and especially the characters. There were a few dialogues earlier that indicated that the dev's views, but I ignored them because they weren't as explicit and I thought they were trying to be ironic.

And yeah, the whole "cancel culture" bs is extremely dumb and actively hurts an overall good story because it does not make sense unless you have a very warped worldview.
 
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top writing top renders, love this start. only wish some renders were a little brighter, cant see shit a few times haha
 

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He did the deed in self defense and the evidence shows that but parts social media is still running with the old story, and some of them are real loud.
That's a part of it. "Court of public opinion" does cross over into cancel culture.
I suppose we're arguing over a hazy, shifting definition, but generally, the point at which it becomes "cancel culture" is where the targeted person is ostracized, deplatformed, and/or suffers significant, immediate career damage. I'm thinking here of, say, Louis CK or Kevin Spacey.

The MC hasn't suffered anything of the sort, and has run into, what, two people who aren't immediately on his side? If he'd lost all his friends in his hometown, or if the incident had cost him all his most high-profile offers so he had to go with this Texas shithole as his last resort, that'd be closer to cancel culture. If the only consequence he's suffered is that people are shit-talking him on this universe's equivalent to shitlib Twitter, which he doesn't look at himself, that effectively isn't a consequence at all.

As it is, the MC should be controversial, at least in the sorts of circles that care way too much about college football. From the outside, it would look a hell of a lot like the NCAA might've arranged for the MC to conveniently beat a manslaughter charge, and it's not like that'd be a bridge too far in a post-Penn State world.
 
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top writing top renders, love this start. only wish some renders were a little brighter, cant see shit a few times haha
I can't really account for every panel out there. Both of mine are IPS and darker images appear bright enough to see, which is all I can really judge from.

Glad you enjoyed it. Or most of it, at least. :)
 

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Think someone mentioned it before, but I'm going to +1 that I'd like to see some sort of compendium at some point. Partly for all the football terminology that I know jack shit about, but also with the large and ever growing cast it would be nice to open up a little character page to remind myself about them.
 
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Think someone mentioned it before, but I'm going to +1 that I'd like to see some sort of compendium at some point. Partly for all the football terminology that I know jack shit about, but also with the large and ever growing cast it would be nice to open up a little character page to remind myself about them.
Planned for Episode 2. It's something I thought of right as I was releasing to higher-tier Patreons. It's definitely coming though.

There's already character menu (though still incomplete with names, where they're from, whether you're dating them or not (and/or have knocked them up), a bit about who they are, and some of their traits. Might be kind of out of the way, though. Game Menu (Right-Click) > Credits+ > Characters > Gender > Pick Character. Might add a shortcut eventually.

If you don't mind me responding to your review a bit (very well written, btw. Clear and concise.); Stuff like choices are a hard thing to get a grasp on when you don't have consistent feedback, especially on a 0.1. Too many and you get told that there's too many fake/meaningless choices, too little and you get told that there's not enough. Just takes a little while to strike that happy-medium sometimes. As for the sex scenes, I'd love to make them a bit longer (especially animation-wise), but right now it's pretty hardware capped. Each animation takes about 3-5 hours, sometimes six depending on the complexity. With an average of 3 or 4 positions (and speeds) per scene, it can get lengthy pretty quickly. Enough that it starts taking away a lot of time I can work on everything else.
 

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Planned for Episode 2. It's something I thought of right as I was releasing to higher-tier Patreons. It's definitely coming though.

There's already character menu (though still incomplete with names, where they're from, whether you're dating them or not (and/or have knocked them up), a bit about who they are, and some of their traits. Might be kind of out of the way, though. Game Menu (Right-Click) > Credits+ > Characters > Gender > Pick Character. Might add a shortcut eventually.

If you don't mind me responding to your review a bit (very well written, btw. Clear and concise.); Stuff like choices are a hard thing to get a grasp on when you don't have consistent feedback, especially on a 0.1. Too many and you get told that there's too many fake/meaningless choices, too little and you get told that there's not enough. Just takes a little while to strike that happy-medium sometimes. As for the sex scenes, I'd love to make them a bit longer (especially animation-wise), but right now it's pretty hardware capped. Each animation takes about 3-5 hours, sometimes six depending on the complexity. With an average of 3 or 4 positions (and speeds) per scene, it can get lengthy pretty quickly. Enough that it starts taking away a lot of time I can work on everything else.
Appreciate that, and good to know! And yeah I get what you're saying in both areas. Regarding choices, like 95% of the MC's dialogue I was fine with. Just a couple moments stuck out to me I suppose. First one that comes to the top of my mind is the girl behind the gas station. I was like damn man chill out lol. Small things at the end of the day. Sometimes it's easy to forget we are playing a real character with his own personality/motivations and those don't always line up perfectly with how I as a player would view things. I'm interested in seeing how that morality system will change some things too.

Sex scene wise, when I think longer I mean more drawn out if that makes sense. More animations and positions are nice for sure, but I like when scenes have some meaty dialogue and convey emotion through it. More so with scenes that have some build up and tension before them though. The current sex scenes didn't bother me much with that aspect since they were just like quick link ups more or less. But say for an eventual first sex scene with Diana as an example, I want that shit to hit right.

Really am looking forward to seeing this game grow. Best of luck on it
 
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The scene is great how it is. I think it shows how RenexIvy are an item already before that scene. They're just inviting the MC to their games. I you go with Ivy that far what's the point of Turn around 360º and walk away? :BootyTime:
Hmm... I can't be sure, but I don't think they were a thing before. Could've been, but I didn't get that feeling. Only MissFortune knows.
 

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Really good start for the game. I have absolutely no major remarks except one, I don't like Yuna is being forced upon me. Don't like those earring gauges, not my type of a woman visually (not talking about her personality or past connections with MC) but I somehow have to make it with her. I understand that the choice might come later on, but if I had the choice for every other woman so far I expected that she would be optional as well.

MissFortune all the best in future.
 

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great first release, really enjoyed it

2 issues
1. i can't seem to lower the volume for the sound effects (traffic noise, sound of water etc)
2. you're bound to get people comparing to another VN, especially with the black and yellow, personally i don't mind if there's multiple top notch VNs with few similarities.
 
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Really good start for the game. I have absolutely no major remarks except one, I don't like Yuna is being forced upon me. Don't like those earring gauges, not my type of a woman visually (not talking about her personality or past connections with MC) but I somehow have to make it with her. I understand that the choice might come later on, but if I had the choice for every other woman so far I expected that she would be optional as well.

MissFortune all the best in future.
There's nothing exclusive going on between them yet, so I could theoretically write a way around it/give the option to the player at the beginning of episode 2 to turn down her advances. That he's having second thoughts, or something of that nature.

The reason she's forced is because I couldn't come up with a good way to introduce a harem itself to the protagonist without having a girl he's with bring it up first. It why WVM did it this way, among a number of other harem VNs. You can't just have your protagonist start thinking "Oh, I'm going to date a whole bunch of girls and they're suddenly going to be okay with each other."

I suppose one way of going about it is introducing all the girls, getting to know them better, start dating one of them, and then have one of them bring up the harem idea at some point. At which point, you could start easing other girls into it or stick with the solo route. I'm open to ideas, though.

I'll have it figured pretty soon. Just need to sit on it.

1. i can't seem to lower the volume for the sound effects (traffic noise, sound of water etc)
2. you're bound to get people comparing to another VN, especially with the black and yellow, personally i don't mind if there's multiple top notch VNs with few similarities.
Glad you enjoyed it. :)

As far as the volume of the sound effects, I'm not sure what would be causing that. Maybe it's how I'm queuing them. Will look into that. And I'm fine with comparisons (there's probably already a few obvious ones), as long as I'm not being accused of ripping anything off or outright stealing.
 

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I like Ivy, I just wanted Renee out.
No worries, m8. Maybe next time state your preference and make a request rather than well... the way you did.

...the point at which it becomes "cancel culture" is where the targeted person is ostracized, deplatformed, and/or suffers significant, immediate career damage.

The MC hasn't suffered anything of the sort...
Really? A person who is imprisoned for something they didn't do; who loses a year of their freedom because of a lie. When nearly everyone they meet shies away and averts the gaze out of fear or boldly asks if they really did it or not. Ostracized? Check. Deplatformed? Who the fuck cares? Suffers significant, immediate career damage? Let's see... Anyone know how much they pay in prison? Check.

I'll take two out of three and call it a point. I think the MC did suffer and cancel culture could apply here but, let's not get hung up over labels.The poignancy of the early story is meant to be about life in the ghetto and the potential damages done by "courts of public opinion". Whatever platform they are or are not on.
 
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Really? A person who is imprisoned for something they didn't do; who loses a year of their freedom because of a lie. When nearly everyone they meet shies away and averts the gaze out of fear or boldly asks if they really did it or not. Ostracized? Check. Deplatformed? Who the fuck cares? Suffers significant, immediate career damage? Let's see... Anyone know how much they pay in prison? Check.

I'll take two out of three and call it a point.
Deplatforming doesn't apply here. You're correct.

To your first point, he was imprisoned for something that even he freely admits he did do. While there are still a couple of unanswered questions, the flashback we get from that night is clearly a case of involuntary manslaughter.

When you say "cancel culture," it suggests that it's either a disproportionate response to a minor issue (a bad tweet from five years ago! break his legs!) or an old personal transgression that's coming back to haunt somebody years after the fact. It's a process of social-media busybodies driving each other into a frenzy over something relatively mild.

In Move the Chains, the MC killed a guy and is still getting six-digit checks, free cars, free college, a new life in a luxury house, and the start of a personal harem.
 

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Deplatforming doesn't apply here. You're correct.

To your first point, he was imprisoned for something that even he freely admits he did do.
Dude, you really need to go back and read the story. He was falsely convicted of rape. Just ask the author if you don't think that's correct.

When you say "cancel culture,"..
I didn't say "cancel culture", you did...

I suppose we're arguing over a hazy, shifting definition, but generally, the point at which it becomes "cancel culture" is where the targeted person is ostracized, deplatformed, and/or suffers significant, immediate career damage. I'm thinking here of, say, Louis CK or Kevin Spacey.
You even offered your own definition. I just responded based on that definition.

Now, what was your point again?
 
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I NEVER thought my favourite ginger pirate could create something like this! :LOL: ... Ok seriously great visual novel, very high quality renders and interesting story.
Believe it or not, I ended the chapter without seeing any sexual content, so playing it always blindly and making your own decisions is the way to play. I'm probably going straight and without brakes to the virgin route as I only liked Diana (sister and therefore forbidden to me) and the attorney (y):PogChamp: (also banned for now due to legal issues at the college according to her) so as they say I'll stay for the story...:cry:
I guess the villains and drama will be during the games. My only complaint (Oh no, crying again :HideThePain: ) is that I've a hard time identifying the age of the more mature women like the girl with the little boy who looks like she is 20 :D (in the men department this doesn't happen, Yuna's dad or the coach are very well done)... it doesn't matter, more eye-candy !

Unfortunately I can't support the project on Patreon but I can buy the game.

P.S: the rules and the games of college football are the same than the NFL?
 

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the attorney (y):PogChamp: (also banned for now due to legal issues at the college according to her) so as they say I'll stay for the story...:cry:
I'm not actually sure if it's 'not allowed' (google was pretty useless here.), but it most likely crosses some pretty big ethical boundaries.

I guess the villains and drama will be during the games.
There'll be a few. Some more minor than others, some major but in shorter roles, etc. Not going to say any more than that, though.

My only complaint (Oh no, crying again :HideThePain: ) is that I've a hard time identifying the age of the more mature women like the girl with the little boy who looks like she is 20 :D (in the men department this doesn't happen, Yuna's dad or the coach are very well done)... it doesn't matter, more eye-candy !
Yeah, guys are a metric ton easier to make look their age. Especially post-40s. Women, not so much. She's in her late twenties or so, so you're technically right.

Unfortunately I can't support the project on Patreon but I can buy the game.
There'll be a Steam release eventually. Just want to get a fair bit more meat on its bones, so to speak. Sharing it/recommending it to other people (only if you want to, of course.) is another way to support.

P.S: the rules and the games of college football are the same than the NFL?
Largely, yeah. I believe one of the bigger differences is the pass interference rules. In college football, it's a max of 15 yards (if I'm not mistaken. Will have to double check on that.). In the NFL, it's a spot penalty. Meaning, if the interference happened 40 yards downfield, then the ball is moved to the spot where it happened. I could be missing some, though. :)
 
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