Ren'Py Mushoku Harem [Beta 2.5] [TwizSinGames]

[TwiztidSinX]

(Saves get locked/bricked/useless if you edit any stats and if you use the console the dev trolls the player by taking out the in-game shop with the vendor saying their wares got Thanos snapped)

Annnnd that's all I need to add another to the ignore list.

Yea that post was made by someone who didn't know what they were talking about.
1. I was the one that made the in-game shop. I made 3 of them in fact. 1 of them was only there to buy in battle potions. But I was having a coding issue, where the playing normal inventory and in-battle inventory were counted as 2 different inventories. Therefore if you bought any items it would not transfer over. So I figured fuck it instead of players complain about a bug, I would just remove the shop until it gets fixed. Then Instead of remaking the ENTIRE town area just to remove one npc which is what I would have had to do. I just gave the npc some random dialogue that I thought was funny and a bit 4th wall breaking. Kind of like a fun easter egg and nothing more.

2. Saves do not break if edit stats. They never have. How do you think I test the new content I add. Shit I am not about the play the entire game start to finish to test 1 new quest. What it is, is you have to know what to edit and when. Like if you edit a characters lvl that does not bring up their other stats. Which is common sense. Though you can edit things like attack/def/HP/MP/ and level. You can edit money, you can edit which chapter you are on. You can edit how many battles you have done of each tier. So on and so forth. I do that all the time when I am testing things to make sure something works without playing through the entire game start to finish as the game has multiple hours of content already.

But that said if you are not into an rpg battle style of a game then yea this game is not for you. As I am trying to make a fun RPG game with stat management, that just so happens to also be a porn game. The goal is to make a good game that has porn not a kinetic novel porn game thats more or less just a bland gallery.

 

[AhKaKlJh]

This is the first game I wish had NTR. Mushuko Tensei is fucking trash and deserves every shit, including a game based on it with heavy netorare to Rudeus.

Even here? Wow, people really are that overzealous.

 

[TwiztidSinX]

Since when?

I mean technically yes but if the protagonist is the one doing the NTR to other people it usually just gets the cheating tag.

It was brought up on the Patreon, and on the Discord when we were having a discussion about what is/is not "Technically" NTR.

A few people brought up if Rudeus were to have sex with someone that in the canon story is married, that is NTR. Because not all NTR is cuckoldry. But that is how most people see it. Like cheating is also NTR. But a lot of people have a deep seeded hatred for the phrase NTR when they see it they instantly ignore it. So I was trying to figure out what I could / couldn't do before I would be forced to add an NTR tag because I really don't want to add that tag.


I was having an issue with characters like Elinalise. Adding her to the Harem when she in the canon is married, by adding her that would need an NTR tag. At least thats how it worked in my head.
Then someone brought up it's my game and if I say in my game that Elinalise isn't married, then she isnt, and therefore no tag required. If I say someone's husband is dead, then its no longer NTR, so no NTR tag. That line of thinking helped me out a lot when thinking of ideas scenarios and all that.

 

[TwiztidSinX]

Even here? Wow, people really are that overzealous.

It's like that everywhere. Mainly I think of it as just trolls trying to get a reaction. Like I read every comment. But I mainly only reply to comments that are actual questions about the game. If something is just a hate comment I tend to ignore it. Not that I ignore criticism comments. I have heard from other devs that I shouldn't reply to overly critical comments but also take note of their complaints to try to do better. Which is what I do.

Like with this release all I have really seen so far in terms of criticism is "To much grind" Which is fine, because with each update that is something I am actively trying to find the right balance of. While also adding things like new characters, new dialogues, new story sections, new positions for existing characters. Then obviously I am always on the lookout for comments involving bugs anyone finds.

 

[Muramasa0]

A wonderful idea that it's already heading into the worst possible way. This one is gonna need a lot, and I truly mean A LOT of work in order to reach good port.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

But that is how most people see it.

I wasn't talking about most people. NTR has a lot of different contexts that I won't get into. Especially on F95 of all places. I'm talking about tag usage.

There are HUNDREDS of games on this website where you seduce married women and they never get the NTR tag.

Subjectiveness aside, the tags usually follow these definitions.

NTR = Love Interest cheat on the player.
Cheating = Player cheats on love interest or has sex with someone in a relationship.

Unless the mods decide to go and update the tags on a good chunk of the games on this website, you can get away with having married women and labeling it with the cheating tag.

I mean kill off husbands if you want. I'm just saying that the tag system isn't equal opportunity.

 

[daerdestructor]

I don't really understand how you earn money in the game but i love this game

 

[TwiztidSinX]

A wonderful idea that it's already heading into the worst possible way. This one is gonna need a lot, and I truly mean A LOT of work in order to reach good port.

I would love it if you would be willing to delve deeper into this conversation. What things should be changed in your opinion? What things did you like / not like?

The main goal of the Alpha tag is just to get the core "engine" / "Bone structure"? working properly When I switch to the beta tag for the next update, thats going to be where I am adding a lot of the UI updates to make the game "Look" better, and adding things like dialogue to all the sex scenes. After I am happy with UI and look of the game I will be just doing a standard numbered system for updates.

 

[TwiztidSinX]

I don't really understand how you earn money in the game but i love this game

Money is earned through completing missions. There is a bug fix on the main post that will be needed to progress so please add that to your game it covers the bug that messed with the money.

This next part is going to be a bit technical but I will try to word it in a non coder way to make it easier to understand. I apologize on some terms if they are too difficult to fully grasp but I will do my best.

In the Alpha 1 version There was no thought in place for adding new battles for future updates.
- in the code it runs a line to check for players items, and the list of available battles "ONLY" When you create a new game.
- That obviously wouldn't work on alpha 2 and later when I add new battles.

In Alpha 2, Because of that issue I added the call that checks for player items and available battles to run whenever you access the quest board menu.
- This is where the money bug came from. By it checking for the players items it was forcefully wiping the players inventory and money.
- After diving into the code I figured this out and fixed it for the beta 1 update, but then forgot about it. So it was never fixed for the Alpha 2 release.
- After it was brought up here and on the discord I remembered it and jumped to copy the bug fixes that were implemented from alpha 2 to beta 1. I added that patch in the form of a zip file. It is linked in the main post on this thread.

Or you can just grab it here. I will link it again for you. All you have to do is open the games folder and drop it in. Then run and play the game like normal.

 

[Kocheng Ero]

The Game Size is So F*cking Huge, Is the animation worth watching, unlike koikatsu in general which is stiff?

 

[TwiztidSinX]

The Game Size is So F*cking Huge, Is the animation worth watching, unlike koikatsu in general which is stiff?

Download the compressed version? The game is that large because the people with the alpha 1 release saying the game had no content in it, without actually playing it. I compressed the hell out of the Alpha 1 release. From 6GB down to 2GB then compressed it again down to 500MB? Then just released the 2gb and 500MB version. On this version I decided to have the full size version and the super compressed one for the people that did not want the full size.

But it also there for you to have a better idea of how much work I put into it.

I have seen a lot of commenters on different game threads where people do not know or care how much work devs put into their games. For this game for example. I work on it between 12-20 hours a day (Depending on if I am in crunchtime or not) For a month straight. I only allow myself 1 day a month of rest time. So I am working from 84-120 hours a week on this game with barely any sleep. Which may be why I get a little to upset at the hate comments.

 

[Phase_01]

It was brought up on the Patreon, and on the Discord when we were having a discussion about what is/is not "Technically" NTR.

A few people brought up if Rudeus were to have sex with someone that in the canon story is married, that is NTR. Because not all NTR is cuckoldry. But that is how most people see it. Like cheating is also NTR. But a lot of people have a deep seeded hatred for the phrase NTR when they see it they instantly ignore it. So I was trying to figure out what I could / couldn't do before I would be forced to add an NTR tag because I really don't want to add that tag.


I was having an issue with characters like Elinalise. Adding her to the Harem when she in the canon is married, by adding her that would need an NTR tag. At least thats how it worked in my head.
Then someone brought up it's my game and if I say in my game that Elinalise isn't married, then she isnt, and therefore no tag required. If I say someone's husband is dead, then its no longer NTR, so no NTR tag. That line of thinking helped me out a lot when thinking of ideas scenarios and all that.

The cases you said of Rudeus (the main character) having sex with someone else that is married, is not "NTR" per se.
Its "Netori". People that like Netori are not the same ppl that like NTR. One is the player/reader being cucking someone else, the other is the player/reader being the one being cucked.

In the case of this site, as far as I know you would not put an ntr tag for that, just the "cheating" tag. NTR is only if the main character is the one who suffers/gets their love interest stolen.

Even if Elinalise is married, you would not need the ntr tag, just the cheating tag.
If Roxy, Silphy, or Eris get fucked by another man, then you would need the ntr tag.

 

[TwiztidSinX]

The cases you said of Rudeus (the main character) having sex with someone else that is married, is not "NTR" per se.
Its "Netori". People that like Netori are not the same ppl that like NTR. One is the player/reader being cucking someone else, the other is the player/reader being the one being cucked.

In the case of this site, as far as I know you would not put an ntr tag for that, just the "cheating" tag. NTR is only if the main character is the one who suffers/gets their love interest stolen.

Even if Elinalise is married, you would not need the ntr tag, just the cheating tag.
If Roxy, Silphy, or Eris get fucked by another man, then you would need the ntr tag.

Yes I understand the concept, of the 3 forms of NTR - Netori, Netorare, and Netorase.
Netorare (Taken away)
Netorase (Willingly Cuckolded)
Netori (Female Main Character willingly cheating)

My point is that whether people want to admit it or not. They are all under the blanket of NTR. Therefore Cheating = NTR.
I am talking like it would technically be NTR. I know that most people don't mind NTR when its playing as the male main character that is taking someone elses girl. They also usually don't mind NTR (Netori) when they are playing as a female lead and cheating on a shitty or generally stupid boyfriend.

What I was having an issue with was would I need apply an NTR tag if the game had any of the 3 forms of NTR.
Then I just got around that dilemma by simply in my story Elinalise never starts dating Cliff. Therefore no cheating or NTR tag needed and just bypassing the entire situation.

The biggest change I personally think I am taking from the source material will be seen in the Beta 1 update where I just finished fully remaking the Introduction to the game, added backstories, and made it known what things were changed. Some people liked it some did not. But I made it so that Sylphiette was not the one to cure Rudeus of his ED. I made Elinalise be the one to do that.

Mainly because I was faced with another issue. The promise. If you are caught up with the anime this is not a spoiler for you. But before Rudeus leaves for the finding Zenith, Sylphiette comments on her feeling like she will not being enough for Rudeus, citing paul taking a second wife. That is when Rudeus makes a Promise that Sylphiette is only woman he will ever need.
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[Yamemai]

2. Saves do not break if edit stats.

lol, yeah, this is more of a recent renpy thing:

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Beginning with Ren'Py 8.0.x or 8.1, a security check was added to the code which is an attempt to defeat bad actors from interjecting malicious code onto someone's computer via Ren'Py save files. If one attempts to load a save file that has not been generated with the token found on the player's machine, a warning as shown above will appear. If you're confident the save file is clean, you have the choice to allow it to be used.

The game is that large because the people with the alpha 1 release saying the game had no content in it, without actually playing it.

I also find this funny, since size doesn't really collate with content; like the old flash games were small, mb range, but could have good content, while games that are gb range now could be due to not being compressed or similar -- Eg. Could just be padding, like some of the rpgmaker ones that don't remove the default stuff they don't use; one of the reasons why I stay away from too large of a download.

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

Yes I understand the concept, of the 3 forms of NTR - Netori, Netorare, and Netorase.
Netorare (Taken away)
Netorase (Willingly Cuckolded)
Netori (Female Main Character willingly cheating)

My point is that whether people want to admit it or not. They are all under the blanket of NTR. Therefore Cheating = NTR.
I am talking like it would technically be NTR. I know that most people don't mind NTR when its playing as the male main character that is taking someone elses girl. They also usually don't mind NTR (Netori) when they are playing as a female lead and cheating on a shitty or generally stupid boyfriend.

What I was having an issue with was would I need apply an NTR tag if the game had any of the 3 forms of NTR.

facts, netori is a form of NTR. just the more widely accepted version due to POV.

Then I just got around that dilemma by simply in my story Elinalise never starts dating Cliff. Therefore no cheating or NTR tag needed and just bypassing the entire situation.

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still holding vain hope you can free yourself form patreon's shackles someday. the reason i'm so pushy about this is because i think you could potentially go places with this game if you do.

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is getting released on steam today/tomorrow (time zones).

 

[Phase_01]

Yes I understand the concept, of the 3 forms of NTR - Netori, Netorare, and Netorase.
Netorare (Taken away)
Netorase (Willingly Cuckolded)
Netori (Female Main Character willingly cheating)

My point is that whether people want to admit it or not. They are all under the blanket of NTR. Therefore Cheating = NTR.
I am talking like it would technically be NTR. I know that most people don't mind NTR when its playing as the male main character that is taking someone elses girl. They also usually don't mind NTR (Netori) when they are playing as a female lead and cheating on a shitty or generally stupid boyfriend.

What I was having an issue with was would I need apply an NTR tag if the game had any of the 3 forms of NTR.
Then I just got around that dilemma by simply in my story Elinalise never starts dating Cliff. Therefore no cheating or NTR tag needed and just bypassing the entire situation.

The biggest change I personally think I am taking from the source material will be seen in the Beta 1 update where I just finished fully remaking the Introduction to the game, added backstories, and made it known what things were changed. Some people liked it some did not. But I made it so that Sylphiette was not the one to cure Rudeus of his ED. I made Elinalise be the one to do that.

Mainly because I was faced with another issue. The promise. If you are caught up with the anime this is not a spoiler for you. But before Rudeus leaves for the finding Zenith, Sylphiette comments on her feeling like she will not being enough for Rudeus, citing paul taking a second wife. That is when Rudeus makes a Promise that Sylphiette is only woman he will ever need.
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Netori isn't just Female MC, its also used when Male MC is stealing someone else's girl. The MC being Male would not turn this into NTR.
Elinalise dating Cliff would not need an NTR tag at all, with Rudeus as the MC. If Elinalise is viewed as the MC, it still doesn't need an NTR tag, the game would only need an NTR tag if Cliff is the MC.

From what I've seen on this site, most normal people don't view it as NTR, since it doesn't give the feeling of humiliation/loss, rather it gives a feeling of dominance. I've yet to see anyone actually start a large discussion or complain about any main character stealing someone else's wife/girlfriend/mother etc.

Rudeus cheating on Sylphy would not be NTR, but rather use the Cheating tag.
Now of course if you change that Promise for your own personal reasons, such as not liking it for Rudeus' character, then that's fine that's how you've chosen to write the story.

If you are going to have Rudeus as the only MC and the love interests that aren't already in canon relationships with others have sex with other dudes, then an ntr tag isn't needed. If you will have other males fuck Rudeus' canon love interests, then I'd add it.

I am mainly saying this because an NTR tag usually dissuades a lot of people from trying a game, lots of people just end up filtering it on this site. But if you look at some of the top games on this site, lots of them have some Netori (male MC stealing others), without the NTR tag, and no one really complains.
Of course if you're more comfortable just rewriting the story that's fine as well, its your game so do what you feel like, just wanted to give my perspective.

 

[MrDraxs]

honestly i think that if the game started from the beginning ever since rudy was a "infant" would be more interesting.

 

[vasior]

Is there any planned pregnancy/impregnation content for this game?

 

[Najn]

 

[TwiztidSinX]

Netori isn't just Female MC, its also used when Male MC is stealing someone else's girl. The MC being Male would not turn this into NTR.
Elinalise dating Cliff would not need an NTR tag at all, with Rudeus as the MC. If Elinalise is viewed as the MC, it still doesn't need an NTR tag, the game would only need an NTR tag if Cliff is the MC.

From what I've seen on this site, most normal people don't view it as NTR, since it doesn't give the feeling of humiliation/loss, rather it gives a feeling of dominance. I've yet to see anyone actually start a large discussion or complain about any main character stealing someone else's wife/girlfriend/mother etc.

Rudeus cheating on Sylphy would not be NTR, but rather use the Cheating tag.
Now of course if you change that Promise for your own personal reasons, such as not liking it for Rudeus' character, then that's fine that's how you've chosen to write the story.

If you are going to have Rudeus as the only MC and the love interests that aren't already in canon relationships with others have sex with other dudes, then an ntr tag isn't needed. If you will have other males fuck Rudeus' canon love interests, then I'd add it.

I am mainly saying this because an NTR tag usually dissuades a lot of people from trying a game, lots of people just end up filtering it on this site. But if you look at some of the top games on this site, lots of them have some Netori (male MC stealing others), without the NTR tag, and no one really complains.
Of course if you're more comfortable just rewriting the story that's fine as well, its your game so do what you feel like, just wanted to give my perspective.

I get you bro, See what I was struggling with was not what normal view as NTR and what they don't view as NTR.

I was struggling with the fact that I already made the statement "I will never add NTR to this game"

Then I was like well.... if Rudeus steals someone elses girlfriend...even though thats like light ntr or Netori... It is still Technically NTR... so would that be going against my own word. Which is something I do no like to do.

So I was talking about it in the form of an internal moral dilemma for me. Then I started thinking of how I could have my cake and eat it too lol. That new story format was what I decided on.