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monkeyqueen

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i strongly believe that real world politics, or rather peoples views of real world politics and social relations, are already in these games. when an ntr mc says "nice guys finish last" that's an expression of a worldview

and it is actually immersion breaking for me because i think "yeah right, that's a much of a fantasy as a magic dick"

but, that aside, switching to fantasy politics: (that are actually visions of real politics)

i did give some absurd ideas about how the ntr path could deviate from the formula. why not follow the path the "og formula" ntr enjoyers like but once the mc loses the girl he finds a way to get her back? perhaps you could combine misery porn and the hero's journey? mc could tranform himself by killing a boss or he could expose leia's machinations or perhaps convince the king to make war on the clan and save the witches . . .

dev if you are still around

The whole charm of NTR is that the protagonist stays completely in the dark—Netorare is all about that mystery and intrigue, while Netorase is about acceptance and actively participating, whether in an active or passive role (that's how I see it anyway).
i want to express a difference of opinion. for me the difference is that nts is all about honesty and consent where ntr eroticizes deception and nonconsent but that doesn't mean that the mystery and intrigue goes away in nts stories what is a new person like? why do i like it when partner a does this but not when partner b does it? i thought i hated this type of sex why am i enjoying now?

some of the ntr lines you wrote for mia could fit into a nts story - she could develop a taste for the acrid, toxic sex she gets from the lizard but return to her lover and realize that his sweetness satisfies deeper need. only this time the mc wouldn't underperform and they would talk about it and deal with their feelings

eventually the lovers learn they like to fuck strangers and make love to each other

both ntr and nts are about boundry crossing but nts stories are more likely to portray the dissolution of the boundaries as good things where ntr punishes boundry crossing. for me nts stories are about "corruption" but corruption that leads to growth. "i used to be shy and afraid to communicate my desires, i even hid them away from myself, but now i feel free to feel what i feel"

waiting to see what you write for nts but I am hoping for lots of internal dialogues where mia and mc try sort out whether their desires to have mutliple partners and different flavors of sex are just succubus magic or their true feelings. even better if they go back and really struggle with their feelings. hoping for musing about identity "i used to look down on women who acted like this and now i'm the one sleeping around"

and the intrigue should still be there - leia could be a liberating agent for the two tightly wound heroes but i don't trust her and don't think she has mia's best interests at heart. just what is her agenda?

tl;dr the mystery is stil there but it's internalized "why am i feeling this way" "what does this say about me" "am i changing or discovering the real me"

last point, dev - active role please
 

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Bad endings aren't realistic, look at our world, WW1? Good guys won, WW2? Good guys won, Cold War? The Soviets lost, if anything the worst of the two sides. Look at history and you'll notice that the good guys won more often than not when morals were actually in the balance, and if they lost it was temporary until the bad guys lost anyway. Notice how we reached the 21st century and the world is still standing fine? Sure there are some wars, but look at Ukraine, its still standing, everyone thought Russia would slam dunk them with their massive numerical superiority, but instead it still can't win. So yea, bad endings aren't realistic, sure happy endings aren't quite realistic either, more often than not its somewhere in between, but bad is just a bit more common than good. And bad endings being 'fun' maybe for a minority, but for the majority of people that aren't sadists or masochists, bad endings sucks. We don't read a story to see the hero ultimately fail, we read a story to see the hero ultimately succeed.
I know this, I've read quite a bit about it, and my country participated in both world wars, but I think you haven't read some of my previous posts. I want to see bad endings and also happy endings, especially with Mia and Tara.
If the monsters didn't exist here, I would simply follow the classic winning MC route. I'm only going down this path because it largely involves monsters.
There aren't many games with themes like this, so I'm mainly drawn to it because of that, and the fact that Darren already had bad luck in another world and lost everything—I don't want to see only that here.

I've been rooting for him from the start, hoping for lots of good content, and that he'll have happy endings, not just bad ones. And if I have the chance to choose, he won't just be happy with Mia, but with Tara too, and why not even with Leia? I would be willing to steal it from that elf if I had the choice.

Finally, don't confuse me with players who just want to lose, because my favorite content in these games is always NTS sharing.
 
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Actually, in the last public post it says that the update would be published around the 20th, it didn't specify that it would definitely be released today.
 

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I'm really looking forward to the continuation of this.
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I don't know if there will be more, I just hope to see at least a little of Mia's anticipation while Darren is unconscious after the attack. Just to make sure nothing suspicious happens outside of our player perspective...:sneaky:
But probably not, since Mia was quite worried.

And in this scene, Mia is trying to remove his hand from that cute little butt. However, we still don't know for sure. Because there could be a choice here to let him continue or remove it, since, judging by her hand, "it may appear that Mia is holding it," giving us the chance to choose what to do next.
 

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here's my rpglit enoyer guess: i guess that the key to that scene is to remember what vincelot, the guild leader, said. 1) having sex in the maze was a mistake and 2) the effects took a month to wear off 3) the adventurers were changed forever

i think that every time you have sex in the maze your desire for maze-like sex grows. in some way the dungeon itself is an unavoidable trap designed to make you addicted to / desperate for succubus sex once you reach the succubus boss. so mia still has a taste for the toxic, acrid sex and for sex with the illiterate meathead who helped out. the smart thing to do would be to wait until the corrupting power of the maze wore off to be around gordok but mia's people are being killed and she needs to act right away

so while she's out of the maze, the maze is still inside of her so the struggle against its influence continues. that's why she hesitated, she both doesn't want and wants the temptation

i don't think she did anything while the mc was unconscious but will be struggling in the next camp. and the mc also has to wait a month for the maze / potion to leave him so the return of his boner will coincide with the messages from mia. he is in danger of confusing arousal with fear that mia isn't being loyal to him and that is a confusion that leia will encourage
 

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here's my rpglit enoyer guess: i guess that the key to that scene is to remember what vincelot, the guild leader, said. 1) having sex in the maze was a mistake and 2) the effects took a month to wear off 3) the adventurers were changed forever

i think that every time you have sex in the maze your desire for maze-like sex grows. in some way the dungeon itself is an unavoidable trap designed to make you addicted to / desperate for succubus sex once you reach the succubus boss. so mia still has a taste for the toxic, acrid sex and for sex with the illiterate meathead who helped out. the smart thing to do would be to wait until the corrupting power of the maze wore off to be around gordok but mia's people are being killed and she needs to act right away

so while she's out of the maze, the maze is still inside of her so the struggle against its influence continues. that's why she hesitated, she both doesn't want and wants the temptation

i don't think she did anything while the mc was unconscious but will be struggling in the next camp. and the mc also has to wait a month for the maze / potion to leave him so the return of his boner will coincide with the messages from mia. he is in danger of confusing arousal with fear that mia isn't being loyal to him and that is a confusion that leia will encourage
It will certainly happen every time they give in to sexual lust; the desire of each member of the group will only increase for more and more sex, especially Mia, since she relies heavily on intimate moments to become stronger and recover.
Yes, she has to act quickly before it's too late for her people.
And with that, the desires will certainly continue until the moment she can no longer stand the itching down there.

I believe the labyrinth hasn't left any of them, even with Gordok, Tara, Mia, and the rest of the group outside the dungeon, there are still remnants of it in each of them. It's a place full of lust and temptations; even when you're outside the dungeon, the dungeon doesn't leave you. That's what makes the game interesting.


You might be right. Nothing should have happened while Darren was unconscious, but the scene with G's hand on Mia's butt is why she has to make decisions about whether to continue or swat his hand away. And with Darren recovering for a while, we'll have the chance to see Mia become even more gradually corrupted with Leia being around lending a hand since she's perfect at that.
 

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agreed. vincelot said the potion will kick back in once mc breathes the toxic air of the maze again. it's an inference but i think that will apply to the toxic desires as well

gives the author opportunity for retreat and return internal dialogues. "i thought i was free of these desires but they are back stronger than ever". going back and forth keeps the narrative fresh. narratives that always follow the "will they go further yes of course they will" "will they go even further . . ." get stale because there's no tension. retreat and return keeps the tension

it fits the addiction metaphor the dev is working with: "just one more time and then i'm done, i swear"
 

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agreed. vincelot said the potion will kick back in once mc breathes the toxic air of the maze again. it's an inference but i think that will apply to the toxic desires as well

gives the author opportunity for retreat and return internal dialogues. "i thought i was free of these desires but they are back stronger than ever". going back and forth keeps the narrative fresh. narratives that always follow the "will they go further yes of course they will" "will they go even further . . ." get stale because there's no tension. retreat and return keeps the tension

it fits the addiction metaphor the dev is working with: "just one more time and then i'm done, i swear"
That's because toxic cravings are quite strong in them.
I think the only character who isn't greatly affected by him is Leia herself, since she's a bit more experienced than most of the group. At least that's how I see her.
And speaking of the MC, since he's going to have this brief moment away from there, Darren could focus a little on the witch's wishes. Yes, he's recovering, but at least some pleasant foreplay for his girl won't be enough for Mia, but at least she'll know he cares.

That's it, that's what makes it all the more exciting and enjoyable to watch and read. It's always good to see them think the desire is gone, but suddenly it comes back stronger than before. :devilish:

I never get tired of that famous phrase, "just a little bit more."
And before they know it, they'll be begging for more forbidden fun.

Dude, I believe that we as players will be begging for more content because it's all going to be so great, no matter which path you take, every branch (NTS, NTR) will be good, I'd even bet MY ASS on it.
 

carter15

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For those who like art, some pretty hot stuff has already started appearing on Discord. (from Rat)
One of them has already become special to me because of my great desire to see Mia and Kai.
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Even though he doesn't appear much, he's already my favorite character to conquer Mia's holes.
Is there a Discord link or is it only for Patreon subscribers?
 
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It's great to see this typical lively atmosphere, I'm loving everything.
 

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We will have the possibility of seeing an ogre girl or a black girl as an option for the main protagonist, Rat dev
It seems the tigress will be an option, right?
 
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