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Dessolos

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Exactly.

And i played through the game a few more times just to see what actually triggers the theo/sue scene and boy its crazy. You have to be on a sue hate train while loving lucia to even trigger it because if your sharing both girls you get the threesome scene. The ONLY way to get the sue/theo scene is if your actively antagonizing sue and at that point its not NTR because your character doesn't give a shit.
if it was any other guy id agree. But I have to disagree , I would 100% see it as NTR even if there is no romantic relationship there and technically that relationship shouldn't be there either cause she is the MC's mother. The only reason is because Theo is the MC's best friend , sure the MC hates Sue on that path and probably doesn't care it happens.

But how I see it a best friend and a mother shouldn't be romantically involved or having sex together cause horny unless they know the son is okay with it. As it can make things awkward and weird , since it is done without the MC's knowledge it gives off a cheating / NTR feel with how the scene plays out. Especially with the way Sue says " don't tell anyone" and " not sure how ( insert MC's name) would feel about it" after they have sex. Now if she has a conversation with the MC especially if you given a choice to give approval or not it changes things.

Now if you use NTR as the literal definition where she has to be stolen I would agree. But if used in a way that is meant for cheating id disagree only because it gives off the same type of feeling or vibe even if the context doesn't really match being cheated on. Only because of the dialogue from Sue and who Theo is.
 
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Why is Sue a cheater but Randall fucking every girl left and right and purposely cuckqueening her with Scarlet not? She never confessed he undying love and loyalty to Randall. In fact unlike Randall she's thinking about what her action does to him. Does MC at any point ever think of the consequence of fucking all those women? Of course not! He's Harem-MC, they are just pussies to be filled. What is it with you people giving so much damn room to the MC but the moment a female character step out of line, does something that according to you is not acceptable she's a horrible being? That's the thing with those opinion I hate, you claim Diplomatic immunity on MC fucking everyone because DUH IT'S A PORN GAME. But You cry unrealistic when a woman fuck another guy. Make up your mind.
Did I ever mention anything about Randall?
Nope, I didn't.

Have no problem admitting he's a cheater if we make him fuck with anyone but Scarlett pre S1 end, and anyone in general after admitting he's still in love with Sue.

Point is, he's the actual MC and this is a story about him convincing his "mom" to become a bimbo or at the very least to become more open (just to find out she was already before, etc...).

Please don't shame me on something I never even implied and show it as if it's a win, because I repeat again, yep Randall fucking behind Sue's back, without telling her anything is cheating, feel better now? :KEK:

EDIT: to make it even more crystal clear, one of the other things that rubbed me the wrong way is that we can't avoid Randall having sex with Scarlett, on a romance route I'd have absolutely avoided it.
 
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EDIT: to make it even more crystal clear, one of the other things that rubbed me the wrong way is that we can't avoid Randall having sex with Scarlett, on a romance route I'd have absolutely avoided it.
Man I feel this so much just from Season 1. While I like Scarlett I never liked being forced to have sex with her especially cause it tends to go against the way I like to play these games. While yeah there is a harem option this game has less of a harem feel to it to me than other games where I would of made solo path saves if there was no forced content.
 
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Man I feel this so much just from Season 1. While I like Scarlett I never liked being forced to have sex with her especially cause it tends to go against the way I like to play these games. While yeah there is a harem option this game has less of a harem feel to it to me than other games where I would of made solo path saves if there was no forced content.
you know I always agree with you on these things mate! :ROFLMAO:
A part of me was screaming, enough of Scarlet sex scenes (and I don't particularly hate her), not too much into forced stuff, when is not a kinetic novel.

My 2 cents? There are 2 reasons we can't avoid her
  • Devs wanted to deliver some sex scene no matter the path players decided
  • It's in place specifically to counterbalance that possible "NTR" scene for Sue, "Randall cheats, she cheats"
 

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Tbh scarlet is probably the best girl in the game but shes just so boring compared to the others. She literally does everything she can to be with the mc and has virtually zero drama so she should be more popular but alas we all came and stayed for the milfs. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Tbh scarlet is probably the best girl in the game but shes just so boring compared to the others. She literally does everything she can to be with the mc and has virtually zero drama so she should be more popular but alas we all came and stayed for the milfs. :ROFLMAO:
I still find the cuck dream in S1 one of the best scenes in this AVN, and I'm not one super into cuck stuff, but damn, Sue looks like a proper bimbo and it's funny too. :ROFLMAO:

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I still find the cuck dream in S1 one of the best scenes in this AVN, and I'm not one super into cuck stuff, but damn, Sue looks like a proper bimbo and it's funny too. :ROFLMAO:

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I'm glad this one got redone. Before it got redone she looked quite scary and was worried what she might look like as a Bimbo but I didn't hate it I actually liked it granted not my favorite version of Sue but for a "Bimbo Sue" I like it.
 
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Why is Sue a cheater but Randall fucking every girl left and right and purposely cuckqueening her with Scarlet not? She never confessed he undying love and loyalty to Randall. In fact unlike Randall she's thinking about what her action does to him. Does MC at any point ever think of the consequence of fucking all those women? Of course not! He's Harem-MC, they are just pussies to be filled. What is it with you people giving so much damn room to the MC but the moment a female character step out of line, does something that according to you is not acceptable she's a horrible being? That's the thing with those opinion I hate, you claim Diplomatic immunity on MC fucking everyone because DUH IT'S A PORN GAME. But You cry unrealistic when a woman fuck another guy. Make up your mind.

You guys always cherry pick path and choice based on your own preference and apply that reasoning and logic to a completely distinct path which entire purpose is to have her make different choice. Does the system used and the dialogue and point option need rework and clarity? You bet it does! But Why does that have to affect the path? Why do you focus so much on the weak element that switch the path instead of realising it's the path that matter. You are using the creator's weak points and small failures that they said will rework over time (or not, i'm not part of the dev team) in order to satisfy a logical series of event that end up making the character do what they do.

But it doesn't matter to you, it's just a smokescreen, you're complaining about it because it exist. You refuse to give the dev the benefit of the doubt, to see the intent behind the result and accept that yes in some route Sue has and will get fucked by someone else than Randall because that's the whole point of this VN. to have a Harem Path, a Sharing path and a Hypersexualized path (Let's not call it a slut path, What Sue does in this path is not any different than what Randall does in Harem, It's just demeaning and indicative of a world viewpoint I despise)
As I’ve said before, I don’t have an issue with Sue sleeping around.
In my main run I told her to get lost (well, not literally, but I chose dismissive options) - so she’s free to do whatever and whoever she wants.

What feels off to me is who she suddenly goes for.
Theo, of all people, makes zero sense to me - especially right after the S2 intro/prologue where he’s shown supporting Randall nonstop while Sue is gone. And the speed at which both of them jump into it feels even stranger if you played a Harem route in S1 where none of that dynamic even existed.

And yeah, Ricthequick and I were talking about weird "trigger" choices that lead to that outcome. They aren’t intuitive at all. You pick one or two lines with no obvious emotional weight, and suddenly Sue flips from "crying on the floor begging Randall not to hate her" to "screw it, I’m going to fuck his best friend tonight" (I'm exaggerating obviously).
That’s not about slut-shaming - it’s about narrative coherence.

And for the record, I am acknowledging positives of this new RP system.
The freedom to ignore characters you don’t care about is great, and you’re no longer forced into scenes you don’t want like in the S1

But right now the downside is that the RP triggers can push chars into behavior that doesn’t feel natural or earned. Sue is just the most obvious example.

You’re trying to turn this into a moral argument - "Randall fucks around so Sue can too" - which is not even what we were talking about. Nobody said "Sue can’t have sex".

My point is: writing doesn’t justify these specific characters doing this specific thing, this fast, based on these choices.

That’s a writing/mechanics issue, not a double standard. It’s about character consistency and RP system that’s currently too shallow to support the swings it creates (in my opinion at least).
 
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My point is: writing doesn’t justify these specific characters doing this specific thing, this fast, based on these choices.
Actually it does because if you know anything about women sometimes they want dick regardless of who its attached too.
 
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