YogSothoth1982
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Yeah, it's hard not to fall for a redhead with a loving personality.EVERY game needs a redhead!
JenusKudo
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Tbh... Klara is also redhead and tightly related to bully plot.... Lily is second redhead....EVERY game needs a redhead!
Ah yes, the Hitler stand in, sure, sure you can argue the case she's more at fault for "ordering it"(God that logic is a stretch for something akin to bullying) but all the same, Nuremburg goes down whether or not the Fuhrer is punished.It sure is spineless and pathetic how the MC decides to confront the big boss Hera instead of having petty arguments with Aine and Emma.
._. Only following orders logic doesn't work in real life, why should it work in a game?
Oh no when I said I gave it a fair shake I meant it, I played through up to the end of current content. Wrote my thoughts down as they came along the way and then compared my notes and my own initial views.
Gave it a good ponder.
I rarely offer my thoughts on a product so when I do, I like to be sure of my own opinion.
JoeTheMC84
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You know members of the Hitler Youth didn’t stand trial at Nuremberg, right?
An adult threatened young girls to make them bully someone. The girls weren’t just following orders, they were victims who then victimized someone else. Having your life, or the life another, used to force you to commit a crime is taken into consideration when justice or mercy is given.
Should they be forgiven? Maybe, maybe not, that is for each person to decide. If someone thinks not, they are free to slam the door in the girls faces and move on to a new game. But to equate children who were coersed and threatened into some mediocre bullying with the actions of Hitler and his officer core and leadership is hyperbolic in the extreme.
bacienvu88
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A more apt analogy with what I wrote would be to choose between going after a sleeping nazi foot soldier without backup versus infiltrating the nazi headquarters to murder Hitler. Doing the second without the first is hardly "spineless".
Also, can't remember being Godwin:ed here before, so congrats on being first.
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Ha! That's how I'm playing it. You're not allowed to seek revenge or anything in this game but to forgive the bullies. This was my move to get revenge marry or be the little sister and show them what they missed out on.
I agree, it is in fact up to everyone who plays this product to come to their own conclusions, the MC's lack of a spine in even holding or backtracking his own trauma is done poorly however to my tastes.
See that's my primary fault here with the game, as I wrote in the post that held my initial thoughts on the game. That were seemingly ignored. If the MC were even willing to acknowledge what they had done past chapter 3 without some immediate remark to the effect of: It wasn't so bad, etc, etc. Sure I could probably buy this but the author made it exceptionally plain that this story of forgiveness comes from the position of the MC being a spineless man without any self worth, the only accountability you can assign to people is in so minor fashion that it truly doesn't work at any level for me.
So yeah the message of this game, it comes across as exceptionally insincere and poorly done.
Me personally? I think Aine herself showed a very refreshing and mature take on it when she basically acknowledged that she was dirt and irregardless of reason, she did it. The game then broke its back having the MC trying to reassure her. No accountability, not even for a scene, little breaks here and there just indicate the author wasn't actually willing to have the girls work for redemption, it was just expected you would give it to them. No character evolution or growth, just handwave it.
Lazy writing I guess you could call it.
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Hey man, it was the game that pushed that bullshit logic. I just made fun of it using the most notable example of usage of it.
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This...all of this. I prefer if the MC in a game is given an actual choice rather than showing little to no emotion, or just ends up looking patheticI gave this game a fair shake and I have to say that is is not for me, the storyline is ehhh kinda all over the place in terms of quality.
I do like how your primary Bully employs the Nuremburg trial defense though for herself
That actually is what primarily turned me off this game, the MC is just so spineless and pathetic in holding on to anything resembling a proper level of reservation that it comes across that this isn't about forgiveness but more so just falling under sway of the pressures of his juvenile years again and its attempted to be justified by the MC repeatedly calling themselves soft.
They're about as soft as a fucking puddle of pudding on a satin mattress.
A basic level of self respect for the protagonist would do a lot for this game I think.
punisher2099
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Wow people really just straight up ignoring the op huh? The mc has moved on with his life if people who play this don't like that then I'm sure they can find something else. The dev can make the vn however they want.
There's moving on by not looking for revenge, then there's the MC's mother inviting his bullies into his home, and them apparently following orders by bullying him
I never said the dev can't make the game however they want, in fact, there are aspects of the game I do like, especially some LIs that aren't directly linked to the bullying. But this thread isn't above people offering their own personal opinions on the game either!
punisher2099
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Maybe you should find something else instead of brow beating the dev because its not what you want. I mean the dev isn't going to change it.
I did? I played it about two weeks ago and moved onward, I came in here and delivered my thoughts.
If nothing else the modern age is filled with dozens of games like this one, your don't like one, move on to one of it's half siblings. Same formula repeated again and again.
Doesn't change my thoughts on the product are just as valid as anyone else's even if I do point out that I find fault with the story on several levels. That game hinges on a flat footed, weak and spineless main character and consider it essentially just a lazy cop out of a storytelling mechanic.
I don't expect the Dev to change a thing, conversely I'm likely to never return to the game. It's not the first game that I've walked away from and it probably won't be the last. What I will do however is offer my two cents and I make no apologies for that.
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I dislike most of the LIs , I think most of them are using the MC for their own agenda, but never have I had thought MC is spineless or weak.
For example (since it's been some time since last I played it) he would not have decided to go talk to Klara's rival if he were a weak/spineless/flat footed MC.
I suppose I could have clarified it a bit more, its selective. So its not even a set in stone trait for the MC.(another bit of bad writing if you want to be that guy) He will go out of his way on occasion for other people's benefit, yet the early chapters are essentially him being a doormat the game, this lessens mildly post chapter 3 but it does occasionally resurface even then. So he's spineless, weak and flat footed when it comes doing anything for himself that is not in the pursuit of caving to the LIs whether you want to pursue them or not. Meanwhile he will go out of his way for them, its a true flip flop of a personality and its not even done in a believable fashion but again we veer into personal taste so I will cut that off there.
On the front of the girls, well yeah it really does come across as most of them being utterly insincere and using him. The author even goes out of his way to show how they are doing it with cut away scenes.
Ignore them, let them say what they want. After all, people are entitled to their own opinions. But I, the dev, and the supporters -- patron or not will have the last laugh and see who's who through this game.