VN Ren'Py My Bully Is My Lover [Ch.1 Ep.4] [NiiChan]

[Kiionyx]

As for everything right now I like the game how it is, But I just wish the bullying wouldn't get downplayed and the mc being a pushover.

 

[NiiChan]

*just reading the comments*
Glad to see you guys enjoying the game.

 

[BadxHero]

*just reading the comments*
Glad to see you guys enjoying the game.

I should point out that while I was writing that, I was actually in the middle of playing the game, which is part of where my judgment came from. I didn't "just read the comments" and inform my opinion of the game by the comments others were saying. Which, admittedly, I should've pointed out. So, I apologize for that. I didn't mean to insinuate that I was merely basing my opinion on everyone else's. But in any case, I stand by my previous assessment, considering that the same worry that people had was only further validated by my experience with the brief amount of content that's there in the game.

I mean, Kei seems to have taken no serious issue with the fact that Aine is here and that Emma didn't really apologize to him for going along with the things that Aine did. It's kind of dumb, really. Sure, he demands that she call him by his name and doesn't readily agree to the deal, but it still seems kind of weak to bother considering something like that when the person who's asking hasn't really apologized to YOU (but your mother) for what she did to you. It's...really odd. I don't see what the point is in considering it or entertaining the idea if one of the person making the proposition isn't going to bother apologizing for doing what they did. Or, at the very least, has to almost be forced into calling the MC by name out of a deal. I figure you have plans for the MC to bring that up at some point, considering that it's a rather important sticking point that he's likely to have noticed. In any case, I certainly look forwards to playing more of this in the hope of seeing how this all plays out.

 

[TheFallacyGuy]

There is a lot to like here, but I agree with the overall consensus that there needs to be a big focus on remorse and redemption going forward. If everything is just handwaved as "just being in the past" then it isn't believable, which honestly isn't a big problem in my opinion, but it's also just not satisfying from a story-telling perspective... which is a big problem. There is no character arc, no real life in the drama. "It turns out the bullies never really were bad people and therefore doesn't have to confront their past in any meaningful way. Nobody has to change, nobody has to work for forgiveness. They were all great people to begin with, and they end as great people. No introspection or growth required. Water under the bridge. Hakuna matata." is just not a way of continuing this story that makes any of the characters interesting. I disagree that Kei is a simp. But we're treading on a slippery slope of him just being this magnanimous saint-like character that always absolve the bad people of their sins like a Mary Sue character.... or like Jesus (aka the original simp). Going that route is, yes, unrealistic, but even worse, it's just really boring, and I just hope that it doesn't. Because the bully trope is severely underrated, and I want a good romantically-driven game with bully characters.

EDIT: I also agree with the opinion that Kei's "landlady" is being a massive douche for orchestrating all of this, mentally torturing her own "tenant" with the girls that tormented him, even if she does know the truth. Like, at least tell Kei the truth or something. What a horrible maternal figure. That NEEDS to be adressed in some way, and she needs to be held accountable in a meaningful way, that isn't just "Oh gee willikers, warn a guy next time, won't ya?".

 

[AnyName'llDo]

I don't get why he was upset with Gwen. Aine and Emma I understand. The game's just starting, so we'll see how it goes. I'm more sold on the music, which I think is pretty damn cool.

 

[Demoness_Kiss]

I don't get why he was upset with Gwen. Aine and Emma I understand. The game's just starting, so we'll see how it goes. I'm more sold on the music, which I think is pretty damn cool.

He was annoyed/mad by Gwen because he was treated like a servant...or a full-time babysitter of an alcoholic

 

[BadxHero]

I don't get why he was upset with Gwen. Aine and Emma I understand. The game's just starting, so we'll see how it goes. I'm more sold on the music, which I think is pretty damn cool.

Well, I feel as though that he is more upset about the level of danger that he was in considering that they had sex in the girl's bathroom while she was drunk. I mean, in a normal scenario, Kei would've gotten arrested for rape even if she did consent to have sex with him. Not to mention, his entire life could've gone down the tube if the janitor hadn't said a thing about how the two of them ended up fucking. Although, it's worth pointing out that he could have outright "rejected" her proposal and they could've agreed to have sex at a later date. Which, from a realistic standpoint, would've been fine.

I imagine that if it weren't for that one scenario, along with her friendship with Aine and her tolerance for her behavior, Kei and Gwen would have likely ended up together. Because, if you really think about it, the two of them seem to have a certain level of respect for one another unlike Kei's relationship with the other two. As such, it would've made perfect sense for them to have decided to go out with one another, despite her relationship with Aine and Emma. Hopefully, we'll get to see more of what Gwen's feelings are for Kei as they spend more time together and see her thoughts on how Aine and Emma treated him.

Edit: I don't think that she ever made him babysit her, since the story showed that she always asked him if he could do something but never forced him or tried to guilt-trip him into doing it. Although, one could make the argument that she also took advantage of his good nature, knowing that he likely wouldn't refuse her. As such, she used that to her advantage while only choosing to defend him once instead of being a genuinely good friend to him that made a point of making it clear that she wasn't okay with any of the things that Aine did to him.

 

[Avaron1974]

"just being in the past" then it isn't believable,

How so?

I ask because the people I know that were bullied back in school treat it exactly like that, the past. It happened, they moved on. No point hanging on to it and being miserable over shit that will never change.

Apologising also means nothing. What was done isn't going to go away because someone says sorry.

Going by what some people put here saying she needs to show she's sorry .... how?

All she's doing there is trying to appease someone because they need it regardless of whether she feels bad for what she did in the past or not.

The problem the dev has now is people are expecting him to go in depth on an issue we all have different opinions on.

We have people that absolutely detest bullies, we have the indifferent and i'm pretty sure we'll probably have a few people around who were bullies themselves.

Personally I was brought up in a farming community with some very old school types so much so that my parents made me homeless when I told them I was a lesbo. Point there is, my outlook on life has always been life sucks unless you deal with your shit. Everyone has problems and I don't have time for people that whine especially people that whine about shit that happened years ago.

Not saying that's the right way, just that it's mine. other people are different.

So how in depth is the dev supposed to go on an issue his player base gives varying degrees of shits about?

Especially given how this is supposed to be a tale about them being lovers there is only so long he can drag it out before he needs to get them together.

There is only so long it can be dragged out before the MC looks like a whining bitch.

He was annoyed/mad by Gwen because he was treated like a servant...or a full-time babysitter of an alcoholic

See, my issue with that particular part is, it's his choice.

She was drunk, she can't force him to babysit her. He's getting arsey over a position he put himself in.

I have no sympathy at all for him there. That is entirely a him issue.

 

[AnyName'llDo]

He was annoyed/mad by Gwen because he was treated like a servant...or a full-time babysitter of an alcoholic

But she also defended him, never forced him to do anything, and

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How upset with her was he really? At the very least, she wasn't a bully. Maybe not someone he cared to keep in contact with, but hardly a bully.

 

[Avaron1974]

We're also supposed to believe he was madly in love with one girl while he was in the toilets banging her drunk friend.

And his sister.

Be still my romantically throttled heart.

Pretty sure if Emma had bent over and told him to reenact the scene from Deliverance he would have had her squealing away.

 

[Cirdon]

If you really get down to brass tacks.... This update made me less angry at the bullies, and also less interested in the MC because now it feels like he wasn't really bullied at all and is just a drama queen over being a picked on part of the queen bee's crew.

That still conflicts with Emma being upset enough about the abuse they were heaping on MC to write to MC's mother to apologize. Which still makes me incredibly pissed at MC's Mom for not sharing Emma's contrition or at least doing SOMETHING to help MC's situation. As currently written it seems like she ignored whatever pain MC was going through, drama queen version or real bullying. That doesn't make me think very highly of her and even less of her considering Emma a good wife for MC.

 

[NiiChan]

Apologies for not addressing your questions and concerns. I will try to answer as much as I can after my father is released from the hospital. Thank you for understanding.

 

[Avaron1974]

Apologies for not addressing your questions and concerns. I will try to answer as much as I can after my father is released from the hospital. Thank you for understanding.

You carry on hunni, your dad takes priority here, we'll just debate all friendly like amongst ourselves.

 

[TheFallacyGuy]

(Post responding to my post which I have shortened here for the sake of not taking up a ton of space).

You're kinda going off on a very minor point that I clarified immediately afterwards that I didn't find to be that big of a deal. In my experience, yes, most people do move on eventually, but that doesn't mean that want to actually meet their bullies face to face again and certainly not live with them, and if they want any sort of peaceful resolution and future favors of that person some goodwill is needed to get that person to trust them again. But again, that's my experience, and as I said, I don't actually really care if that is realistic or not. I have grievances with it, because just going "c'est la vie" is flat out dull story-telling. The story brings up the bullying as a cataclysmic event, but doesn't really explore it other than using it for an excuse for the main charater to not talk to the romantic interests. If the only way for a character arc to move is to just reveal things we didn't know about them before, then it's a boring story. That was my main gripe.

For what it is worth I don't get why he is popping off at Gwen either.

EDIT:

Apologies for not addressing your questions and concerns. I will try to answer as much as I can after my father is released from the hospital. Thank you for understanding.

Hey man, family and personal well-being should always come first. Focus on that, and I can rant about porn games any day of the week .

 

[BadxHero]

How so?

I ask because the people I know that were bullied back in school treat it exactly like that, the past. It happened, they moved on. No point hanging on to it and being miserable over shit that will never change.

Apologising also means nothing. What was done isn't going to go away because someone says sorry.

Going by what some people put here saying she needs to show she's sorry .... how?

All she's doing there is trying to appease someone because they need it regardless of whether she feels bad for what she did in the past or not.

I'd like to point out that the point of apologizing isn't so that the person on the receiving end of the apology can feel better, or for the person apologizing to absolve themselves of guilt. The whole point of apologizing is to own up to your wrongdoing so you can start the process of becoming a better person. It's not meant to make the person receiving it feel better, because if the situation is serious, they'll never really be able to let go of that pain that you were responsible for them feeling. You could never make someone feel better after doing something super messed up through a simple apology. Anyone who thinks so is a moron and whoever teaches someone that is an even bigger moron. Because, you know, that's not the point of apologizing.

Also, saying that apologizing doesn't matter just gives people an excuse to do terrible things to other people since they can always use that as an excuse. It would incentivize others to absolve themselves of any guilt for the things they've done, which would only exacerbate the problems in life. But more so than that, it implies that all situations that would "require" an apology are created equal or that an apology for something said or done out of irrational emotion wouldn't go a long way. In a situation like this, Emma and Aine apologizing and demonstrating that they're a better person than they were back then would go a long way. Because...it's just unreasonable to expect people to get over stuff like that, when it's affected them so greatly.

 

[djmudo]

harem rulz !!

 

[Makkun]

Hi, I liked this game and I liked to see a well elaborated story and how well the characters are thought! Also, I liked the flow of the game, there will only be 6 girls, right? Well, I still have no favoritism for any of them at the moment, I still need to see more of them, especially the three, they will still need to prove that they have really changed. (Just thinking about changing, doesn’t mean you’ve really changed)

Although Gwen was not so bad, I even liked her, although she was not my favorite however.

I don't know if I really like the "landlady", like, yes she saw that Emma likes Kei, but I thought she should at least have warned the protagonist beforehand, like, they made his life hell and just leave her live in their house without at least telling the "tenant" that they were their victims? He may not think about revenge, but that doesn't mean he isn't hurt, she could at least have warned him about it.

But well, in what I have seen so far, I would say that my favorite character is the main protagonist (Kei), he not only matured for not thinking about revenge, but he is not necessarily naive and makes a point of showing that he did not forgive them 100 %, and of course another reason that makes me like him is the fact that he is very attractive, the type of character I would love if there was a sexy solo image of him. (It could be one of the special images that unlocked the same way as the girls)

Another point that makes me like Kei, was also the way he helped Lily, when he helps her, he has very good interactions and the way he helps her deal with nervousness is a beautiful scene! In fact I would say that Kei seems to have many qualities.

Again, I hope Kei gets a "special image" solo! (preferably naked like the girls)

 

[Avaron1974]

I'd like to point out that the point of apologizing isn't so that the person on the receiving end of the apology can feel better, or for the person apologizing to absolve themselves of guilt. The whole point of apologizing is to own up to your wrongdoing so you can start the process of becoming a better person. It's not meant to make the person receiving it feel better, because if the situation is serious, they'll never really be able to let go of that pain that you were responsible for them feeling. You could never make someone feel better after doing something super messed up through a simple apology. Anyone who thinks so is a moron and whoever teaches someone that is an even bigger moron. Because, you know, that's not the point of apologizing.

Also, saying that apologizing doesn't matter just gives people an excuse to do terrible things to other people since they can always use that as an excuse. It would incentivize others to absolve themselves of any guilt for the things they've done, which would only exacerbate the problems in life. But more so than that, it implies that all situations that would "require" an apology are created equal or that an apology for something said or done out of irrational emotion wouldn't go a long way. In a situation like this, Emma and Aine apologizing and demonstrating that they're a better person than they were back then would go a long way. Because...it's just unreasonable to expect people to get over stuff like that, when it's affected them so greatly.

A few things.

If she was sorry, was feeling bad for her actions and wanted to grow as a person ... she would have looked him up long before now. She's only there because her friend set it up, had no intentions of apologising due to being caught up in her own issues and doesn't even remember who he is.

So when she does apologise, it isn't going to be because she wants to grow as a person and prove she's better now, it's because she been put in a situation where she has no other choice.

This issue "which has affected him so greatly", seems like a guy that tagged along with a group of girls to try and get some pussy and was berated because of it .... then kept going back for more.

He's angry at one of the girls because he took it upon his own self to look after her when she was drunk, a problem he didn't seem to have when he was fucking said drunk girl in a public toilet.

It's a good job Emma didn't call him piggy and talk to him or he'd probably call her an emotionless monotone robot because 2 wrongs always make a right, that's how it works.

So all this "super messed up stuff" she did boils down to a bit of name calling so bad he went back day after day after day.

As it stands we have a girl with a drinking problem that lost her company and was left with nothing, a girl that has been abused since her early childhood both physically and mentally and forced into a marriage along with her friend who's entire family seems to be in slave labour to the rich folks.

So just to satisfy my own morbid curiosity here .... who is it do you think is going through the most mental trauma because from everything said in the game ... it sure as shit doesn't sound like it's him.

 

[CrimsonKS1]

I like the cg and the story so far, I hope to see more of this game in the future!

 

[NiiChan]

Haaaa I can't believe I got so pissed off off a single scene to make me wright a comment about my thought.After everything that I have read in here can understand the the dev is trying to set up a LisaxKanaxMc thing going on but that useally happens after we have some progress with both the girl in a 1on1 basses and as far as I know we can reject someone if we don't want them in the harem but but happens if we reject 1 of the girls ether Elisa of kana all that (training) becomes a miningless action to show the MC that he can't trust his sister with the other girls or that Elisa is only in love with the Mc for being depressed the main reason she had become a friend with him and it's OK with anyone that can make her cum do what ever the want with her as long as they sey to her is for the benefit of the Mc... Shut I have a lot I want to rant about but I enjoined the game to much to shit on it


From what I saw and read I would Love for the Mc to find out about elises training before she confesses to him and he rejects her for what she did withehis sister and Elisa get mad about that with kana which kana will try to fix by trying to talk with the Mc and him getting angry at her for what she did so it tie up with the MC traum for what happen to someone he loved.

And no I'm not talking for it to be and option but the story it goes for it does not make sense for the to be Elisaxkana now from both there personalieties and the Mc accepting Elisa as a live interest after all that this is all from the perspective of a guy so girls might see the whole training think a normal but from what we now of Elisa frome the start to here she when from the whole childhood friend thing to the easy to ntr chick in every other game and I hate that since she was the first girl we saw and I thought she was the one who would be the most against the Mc sleeping with other girls end rant again :3


And Holly shit even after every thing that happen with Yuna and of the hate she gets from the community I have a soft spot for bitch Dom girl that go deredere or even sub after we get to know here better even after everything I will keep supporting bot games but God I hate myself way to much for writing all this sorry for having you read all this if you did but know that I love for doing so it was the only way for me to stop thinking about it 5 hours after finishing the game sorry for my grammar and misteakes

You should post this on LCC thread, mate. Thanks for playing my games.