Thank you man for your answer and I'll try to give my opinion on somethings you said.
I hope you won't take offense as I'm just trying to grow my undersdanding and broaden my horizons.
I find it odd when people try to invalidate or diminish the protagonist’s experience just because his past isn’t fully detailed. This idea that someone needs to have "suffered enough" to deserve understanding feels unfair. The severity of suffering is subjective, and no one should have to "prove" their pain to justify their experiences. Redemption isn’t about proportional suffering; it’s about genuine change and regret.
The fact that you use people when you say that troubles me a little. I can't understand if you're talking abt me and more generally ppl you've seen on the thread. Or just generally and you used my com to just talk abt it. If it's just generally, then I don't have much to say as it doesn't concern me. But I'll adress it as if you're talkin abt me.
1st, I'll confirm but I think it's clear I didn't give the game a try yet. I'm wasn't trying to diminish the protagonist's experience. I completely agree with the fact that smn's suffering is subjective. They deserve to be understood and supported.
HOWEVER, the punishment given to the one who initiated the sufferering in question should stay objective with subjectiveness coming in rare or special cases.
Dumb exemple : 2 ppl are being bullied,
1 group keep it verbal no physical abuse. If they get reported, they'd probably get some warnings at 1st then be expelled if they continue doing it (let's imagine we're in a world where they always get what they deserve).
2nd group, however physically abuse the guy. SO much that he'll keep scars that remind him of that time period. In this case they could go to juv or even prison if they're old enough.
Both suffered, but their bullies didn't get the same punishment and that's normal. Imagine, if smn has an extreme mental resilience, then it's ok that they do this to him. He just find it annoyin at most why bother punishing them. My man got that buddha mindset? Ofc not, everyone should be punished according to their crimes and the dmg they've caused (I'm talking abt immediate and recent).
The key point for is the treatment of the victims. They should be treated according to how much they suffered.
Ofc ppl would be curious to know what MC has gone through, being called micro penis everytime you enter the classroom and having some ppl mock you for it clearly isn't the same as being affraid of going to class bc yk that once there a hellish treatment awaits you (beatings, physical humiliation, some even do experiments on their victims, poisoning...). Again, personally if smn just mocked me. I'd find it way easier in me to forgive him than smn who scarred me for life.
I agree with you that there is a subjective part to it but there's also an objective part to sufferings.
Objectivity is good it is what keeps some people strong, what keeps some humble. The difficult thing is to balance objectivity and subjectivity. For exemple, when I was a kid I remeber my father trying to make me eat some vegetables I'd rather not. Yk, the usual child banter lol. He always told me abt these kids that had nothing to eat and were starving who would prbbly beg to get a piece of that full plate I had the chance to be eating.
However when he saw that I rly didn't like an aliment he didn't force it on me and began using others. Subjectively these aliments tasted rly bad. However objectively they would be a dream for some. This allowed me to understand that sometimes you have to do things even if you don't personally like them.
Without objectivity, most would fall prey to the victim's syndrom.
If a character has changed, acknowledging that is important. Justice doesn’t always need to be punitive to be valid. In many games of this genre, the protagonist often turns the girls who bullied him into submissive "toys" as a form of revenge, but this game takes a different approach.
I kinda... agree with you. Like I said in my friend's story he let go of his past grudges bc his bullies changed and became better people. I don't think I mentionned it in the last com but I was understanding of that bc he's the victim. He's the one with that right as the victim of what happened to him.
I personally haven't seen many games of this genre (with a readable or passable renders). At least not with some real bullying and deep story behind it. Anyway, I'm not a fan of those games precisely bc of that reason. They don't take the fact that characters could've changed into account. Nor do they give a wholesome feeling to it.
I remember this one story I read during my manga era, this leads me to believe it was a manga but I don't quite remember to be honest. I just remember being rly emotional by the end of it. I think it may have been a oneshot...
Well whatever, The story had similar points to this one, it went smt like that : the MC actually tired to take revenge for what happened to him, as he was taking it he couldn't fully proceed with it bc the person had changed. There is that one scene where she asks him to do it (kill her) and they both end up crying their whole regrets, angers and sadness away. After began the journey to healing. It's truly a beautiful story. I hope I remembered the name but it was so long ago. If smn thinks they know what it's called feel free to pm me.
Now this is a choice based game and last time I checked it didn't have the kinetic tag. This is the kind of story I'm searching. A story that would merge that wholesomeness, melancholic feeling, with the dark desire for revenge. A journey of doubts, questionning, growth and healing. Or revenge, self satisfaction and regrets. Even one merging both. And all of that depending on the player's input and choices. Have you ever seen in those games you talk abt the option to break in tears during one of these bdsm scenes and ask why she did this to you. With the option to hen stop the scene and try to start anew?
That's what I'm searching for, a jouney where you'd resonate with the MC.
That's why I like GOOD revenge stories, some might say a good revenge story is just abt smn taking and making bloodsheds wherever he goes. However, I beg to differ, a good revenge is so much bigger and better than simple revenge. I admit though, that I might be part of a minority lol
Here, it’s about exploring repair, regret, and personal growth. Take Aine, for instance. While she participated in bullying, it becomes clear that she was coerced by her mother, Hera, as part of a revenge plan. This shows how people who commit terrible acts can themselves be victims of manipulation, caught in a cycle of hate and suffering. Punishing someone forever, especially if they are trying to redeem themselves, doesn’t solve anything—it only perpetuates the cycle.
I kinda agree with that too. However this doesn't mean some ppl should go unpunished. If smn was coerced to kill smn. Sure it'd be taken into account however that person still knew what she was doing. She knew it was bad and still did it. She knew smn was suffering from her actions. Now this is different bc the victim himself decided to forgive her from what I understood.
Why are you talking abt punishing someone forever. If this person has truly changed. After she has undergone her punishment, she's free. Especially if her victim forgave her (I'm not particularly talking abt Aine's situation).
Now, if we focus more on her situation the fact that she was a child and that her mother was the one did the manipulating certainly gives a new perspective to the whole thing for the one who suffered. This might give him the push he needed to forgive the said person. However, if the said person did it bc she found it fun then she might as well go see a psychologist bc that's not normal... The victim might also have a harder time forgiving her in that case. Which would be completely normal. Oh you stopped playing with toys bc you found them boring after growing up... Sh1t, this was a human being not a frkin toy...
A victim would also take into account wether the person in front of her regrets it, if she feels remorse over it...
These are all things smn take into account b4 forgiving smn in the most cases.
Expecting the game to focus solely on sex, particularly BDSM, based on its title, trivializes the depth of the narrative. This game offers much more than just erotic content.
To answer your question directly: no, the game isn’t about punishing the characters. You can choose to act rudely toward them, but that’s not the message the game intends to deliver. It emphasizes growth, forgiveness, and transformation, not just for the protagonist but for the other characters as well.
Well, from the way I told the story of my frend, I though I made it clear that for me this is a deep topic and that I wasn't expecting the game to solely revolve around sex. Particularly BDSM, to quote me I said "anticipating some bdsm". Keyword is "some", Having bdsm in a game doesn't in any way reduce the depth of the narrative or tivializes it. It all depends on how it's incorporated and what direction the game's taking.
Well you didn't rly answer my questions directly at ALL. But more like what you wanted to answer.
To quote my questions : "How the hell did he get bullied by girls in the 1st place. Man I was rly anticipating some bdsm what a pity. The fact that the title is My bully is my lover, does that mean we have to end up with his bully? "
The 1st question in which dumb me forgot to use "?" was : "How the hell did he get bullied by girls in the 1st place." You didn't answer in your conclusion but did previously say that it isn't rly explained :
I find it odd when people try to invalidate or diminish the protagonist’s experience just because his past isn’t fully detailed.
From that, ig we don't rly know how he ended up bein bullied or even what they did to him, which for ME, is pretty important in story of self-healing and outgrowing past traumas.
The 2nd, which is : "The fact that the title is My bully is my lover, does that mean we have to end up with his bully?" This one you didn't even bother lol.
Just quickly, I'll make my questions and your answers stand next to each other so we can compare them :
Anyway,, I'd be rly grateful if smn could spoil me. How the hell did he get bullied by girls in the 1st place. Man I was rly anticipating some bdsm what a pity. The fact that the title is My bully is my lover, does that mean we have to end up with his bully?
DOn't hesistate to spoil me just use the spoiler in case for others.
To answer your question directly: no, the game isn’t about punishing the characters. You can choose to act rudely toward them, but that’s not the message the game intends to deliver. It emphasizes growth, forgiveness, and transformation, not just for the protagonist but for the other characters as well.
I saw your message and wanted to address a few points, both about the game and your argument regarding bullying. First of all, this is just my opinion, and I’m not trying to start any arguments.
This makes me doubt your intentions man, I thought you were just a chill guy who wanted to make me see things in another perspective, broaden my horizons. I didn't think you'd completely disregard me to the point where even your "direct answer" to my question would be completely off the point.
Look you initially came off as a friendly guy but your conclusion seems like a lot of passive agressiveness.
So yeah due to the title being, My bully is my lover does that mean she's the only one we can have an ending with? I mean you can forgive smn but not want that person in your life if possible, or keep your interractions to a minimum. I was just asking if the game atleast gave this lvl of freedom. The title gives smt but from the preview imgs it seemed like there were other LIs, but you never know with these type of games. That's th reason I was asking
I will end this by saying, I'm not a psychologist, psychiatrist nor a therapist. I just gave my humble opinion of how I understood things. I'm not trying to start any arguments.
Enjoy,
THX