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I contacted them the same day (May 21st). I still haven't got an answer, although I wrote them several more times.
They didn't even comply with what they said, since instead of refunding the supporters, they sent the balance to my bank account...
Unfortunately a global platform gives "clearing house" sites a huge base to draw from so, they are able to dictate to or shun anything that their lawyers tell them could involve liabilities. Most of them have some sort of agenda of their own and take a pretty big piece of the pie for their marginal services. I have always refused to feed the beast which is why I rely on sites like F95. I don't mind waiting a bit longer and my skin is too thick to be insulted as a "freeloader". Itch.io is one of a very few sites that offer an option to just "donate" and AFIK they take a reasonable percentage for their service. I think something like that would work well on F95 as well. It's already self supporting and taking 10% to handle the transfer of donations would be a great service and only add to the coffers.
I know it's a "pirate" site but, I would love to see F95 provide a simple "contribution" option. I've never been a fan of "solicitor" sites like patreon or even Steam and I use them as seldom as possible.
I think one of the reasons Pigtreon and similar sites feel enabled/pressured into censoring creativity is that they are set up as a $$ intermediary. I imagine this takes a lot of vetting, oversight, and secure software to make it work and without those resources they would quickly be seen (correctly) as a risky site to give payment info to.
Any site that tries to set up a platform for the exchange of $$ (support) will eventually become beholden to the whims of the tech & financial companies needed to do so. Unless/until someone develops a true, lasting solution for free adults to make purchases/donations privately, I don't think it is a great idea for sites like this to take that on. It might work for a while, but eventually the assholes would come a 'callin and start making demands under threat of cutting the services that the site is now at least somewhat dependent on. If Shitreon suddenly was unable to transfer $$ from supporters to creators, would anyone ever visit their site again? I don't really want that to happen here.
I think one of the reasons Pigtreon and similar sites feel enabled/pressured into censoring creativity is that they are set up as a $$ intermediary. I imagine this takes a lot of vetting, oversight, and secure software to make it work and without those resources they would quickly be seen (correctly) as a risky site to give payment info to.
Any site that tries to set up a platform for the exchange of $$ (support) will eventually become beholden to the whims of the tech & financial companies needed to do so. Unless/until someone develops a true, lasting solution for free adults to make purchases/donations privately, I don't think it is a great idea for sites like this to take that on. It might work for a while, but eventually the assholes would come a 'callin and start making demands under threat of cutting the services that the site is now at least somewhat dependent on. If Shitreon suddenly was unable to transfer $$ from supporters to creators, would anyone ever visit their site again? I don't really want that to happen here.
Unfortunately you are probably right. The back breaker is the entities that control digital transactions. Their ability to monopolize puts them in a position to dictate terms to those who use the service. You can't do business if you aren't allowed to use the tools of business. The real culprits are the banks and lenders. Even once high minded entities like pay pal have succumbed.
Edit: When you mention "a risky site to give payment info to", don't think for a second that the credit brokers don't peddle your personal info because they most certainly do.
Just more proof that it's time to cut Patreon and move on with other payment platforms, whatever they may be. Perhaps if they feel just enough of a sting in their profit margins, they'll start to reconsider. If not: adieu.
Just more proof that it's time to cut Patreon and move on with other payment platforms, whatever they may be. Perhaps if they feel just enough of a sting in their profit margins, they'll start to reconsider. If not: adieu.
If I remember right it was either Parental Love or Dating my Daughter that precipitated all of this. Pretty sure it was PL though, that game was fucking deranged. Could rob the 12 year old daughters boyfriend of all his lunch money and make him suck MC's cock to "turn him gay" so he'd leave MC's daughter alone.
That's what Perverteer is trying to set up last I heard. They were looking for a high risk money carrier that isn't Visa/Mastercard to get into business with
Aye, SS will go the same way eventually. That spicy gaming website recently setup a store. They are using some kind of token system like cam model sites do. I guess that's one way around certain things as people are just buying tokens which are then used to exchange for things on the store as opposed to actually paying directly for something. I'm not sure if something like that could be used for subscription based support though.
As for crypto/bitcoin/whatever, I don't understand that stuff either.
As for what I said before, technically patreon & subscribestar, etc. don't have a valid reason for banning adult game dev/project accounts if they aren't releasing, mentioning or promoting content that goes against said sites guidelines/TOS on said sites themselves. Also, I believe most funds earned via patreon, etc. are most likely going toward living expenses & hardly any of it actually goes into developing the games themselves as most adult game devs are working by themselves or in small teams; who are most likely also using whatever they earn to put toward living expenses.
I'm old as dust and got in at the beginning and got out at the pinnacle. I did extremely well. I don't mine anymore. Haven't in years. Anyway, I'm not saying people should mine. That's a fucking lost cause. You can buy in. But that also means that when it drops and it always does, you could lose your ass. It's just an alternative. Probably not a good one.
I'm old as dust and got in at the beginning and got out at the pinnacle. I did extremely well. I don't mine anymore. Haven't in years. Anyway, I'm not saying people should mine. That's a fucking lost cause. You can buy in. But that also means that when it drops and it always does, you could lose your ass. It's just an alternative. Probably not a good one. View attachment 3827521
That's partially true. There are still a few of us who did quite well with it. I also did quite well with buying stock on Yahoo and Google in the beginning. I also lost my ass with Excite.
That's partially true. There are still a few of us who did quite well with it. I also did quite well with buying stock on Yahoo and Google in the beginning. I also lost my ass with Excite.
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I believe that our mutual Friend has some blind spots - that make him seem like a block of cement or possibly an AI. It's mostly a language barrier I believe. I would like to express my thanks for your transparency and clear info: I totally understand what you are saying. The main AW&M thread is a very "special" environment, which does not lend itself to many folks showing understanding & comprehension. All too frequently it's a toxic place - I rarely comment there beyond a few snide (hopefully humorous) remarks or just reactions. Your contribution was correct and complete and therefore thoroughly misunderstood.
