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I won't facepalm you because I understand you as a player. But as a developer I should disagree.

I'm not into Dom; it shows when I write about it. Basically, I'm discovering what to do at the same pace as the characters.
What I like is to explore what the MC would do in certain circumstances, like the one he is with Maddie (be it FemDom or MaleDom). Obviously, it's not in the MC's character being totally dominant or totally submissive, and he's in a position he hasn't been in before.
For me, in my playthrough, it's the Romance path with Maddie except for testing, but I think it's an interesting experience to write the other paths also. I wouldn't play them as a player in my main playthrough, although since the menu system I designed allows to watch the alternatives as "what ifs?" in each path, perhaps I would play through them.
As always, it reduces to giving the players choices to customize their experience. I wouldn't play Kate's "slim path", for example, but I think the game improves by giving the player the option to do it.
 

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I wouldn't play Kate's "slim path", for example, but I think the game improves by giving the player the option to do it.
I'm still thankful for this, I was worried I would have to exclude her from my Harem, which I didn't want to do, but big chicks just don't do anything for me, and I'm not one for accepting LI's for the sake of the story. If I did that I would just have to skip past her sex scenes and I don't like skipping past anything if it can be helped.

Aunt Betty is like borderline for me, I don't find her particularly attractive, but she gets an incest buff so that kind of balanced it out for me. :LOL:

So luckily no LI's excluded from the harem thus far on my end!
 

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I won't facepalm you because I understand you as a player. But as a developer I should disagree.

I'm not into Dom; it shows when I write about it. Basically, I'm discovering what to do at the same pace as the characters.
What I like is to explore what the MC would do in certain circumstances, like the one he is with Maddie (be it FemDom or MaleDom). Obviously, it's not in the MC's character being totally dominant or totally submissive, and he's in a position he hasn't been in before.
For me, in my playthrough, it's the Romance path with Maddie except for testing, but I think it's an interesting experience to write the other paths also. I wouldn't play them as a player in my main playthrough, although since the menu system I designed allows to watch the alternatives as "what ifs?" in each path, perhaps I would play through them.
As always, it reduces to giving the players choices to customize their experience. I wouldn't play Kate's "slim path", for example, but I think the game improves by giving the player the option to do it.
It's absolutely OK to disagree with me.

I don't like Domination. No, that's not true, I abhor the whole concept. It matters not how light it is. I may be able to stand it if it's really light, but, I don't like it.

You, Trope, may be sure that I haven't seen any of the scenes you spent time and effort doing. No, not even as a "What If" when you provided that option.

Like some other contents, there's nothing wrong with it, it just isn't for me. I would go as far as saying that I do have a reaction to it when exposed. It's a insta-bonner-killer. Sometimes even just a slap is enough to turn me off.

It is what it is. I am extra sensitive to humiliation, pain and abuse, even if only by words. I would LOVE to not have the reasons I have to feel this way.

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It is clear that the "Facepalm" has comedy character,
About the Maddie path we had a longer convo where Trope said exactly the same, my thoughts to it, were it is a good oportunity to snoop into this theme, I don't remeber if I said it then, I'm a type like the MC, I can do Roleplay with my significant other, to a certain extend, which can be called "Dominant" (which in reallity isn't it is taking the initiative) and also reverse the roles.
enjoying it, this is everything but what the people which have the "Femdom/ Maledom" or BDSM kink have would call it.
so yeah pretty much the same opinion as FatGiant Maddie is in "romace path" and I'm thankfull for the "what if's" build in in the game.
Edit: as far as I remeber FG told us his rejection of dominace in games .
 

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It's absolutely OK to disagree with me.

I don't like Domination. No, that's not true, I abhor the whole concept. It matters not how light it is. I may be able to stand it if it's really light, but, I don't like it.

You, Trope, may be sure that I haven't seen any of the scenes you spent time and effort doing. No, not even as a "What If" when you provided that option.

Like some other contents, there's nothing wrong with it, it just isn't for me. I would go as far as saying that I do have a reaction to it when exposed. It's a insta-bonner-killer. Sometimes even just a slap is enough to turn me off.

It is what it is. I am extra sensitive to humiliation, pain and abuse, even if only by words. I would LOVE to not have the reasons I have to feel this way.

Peace :)
I also am not a fan of the humiliation/pain aspects of BDSM. I'm fine with some light pain like pinching, slapping (not too hard though), and spanking, but again not too hard and not with like a cane or paddle, and only if my partner enjoys it. humiliation is something I am not a fan of in any capacity though. Dirty talk is one thing, if kept in private, but actual humiliation, especially in public is something I just never quite understood or enjoyed.

I've always been into the domination/submission aspects and focus of BDSM, especially in a roleplay capacity. Like pet play for example which is one of my personal favorites. Yes I know I'm a pervert, but hey it is what is is. :p

I do prefer romance focused games though, I don't like BDSM of any kind unless it's with someone I love and trust and vice versa, that enjoys the activity/lifestyle, otherwise it does nothing for me. Which is why I also dislike when games lock BDSM content behind a "corruption" route, where the relationship is basically a loveless sex fest void of any romance.

Anyways enough blabbing, gonna go make some Mozzarella sticks now. (y)
 
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I think the biggest issue with BDSM in games is that the player can't actively negotiate it like one can in reality.

In reality, everyone involved can say what they want and want they don't. What they're comfortable with and what they aren't.
Can't really do that in a VN or any game. You have to accept or refuse various kinks pretty much blind, then continue or load back depending on if things are to your tastes
 
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Every time someone mentions the thoroughly debunked (even by it's authors) stupid paper about alphas and betas, a poor wolf cub dies of shame.

It's very appealing to those that would very much like to find a reason to affirm themselves as superior, even when that wish alone marks them as inferior due to the need of external affirmation, it simply isn't true.

So, every time someone brings it up, they are saying 2 things, that they want a comfortable lie instead of a thorny truth, and, that they feel a need to be seen as strong due to their feelings of inadequacy.

Or... they are the victims of a very dysfunctional society that needs it's members to feel in constant fight or flight stance so they never realize how fucked up that society is.

However you look at it, it is a sign of low intelligence and high aggressiveness, usually associated with chemical and hormonal imbalances.



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I often see it as a modern variation of Ayn Rand's Objectivism. The same young men seem to fall for one as the other.

Huh So, I guess if someone was highly aggressive and of superior intellect, the world would be in trouble? :ROFLMAO:
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Dragon59

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I'm old enough to remember it being very unusual for even a porn queen to be totally hairless downstairs. I think there was ONE...
I know Linda Lovelace shaved in Deep Throat. That was pretty much unheard of at the time.

For much of semi-modern history, generally only prostitutes shaved (for hygiene), then wore a merkin (pubic toupe) to appear "normal."

"I'm proud to be a merkin..."

I also am not a fan of the humiliation/pain aspects of BDSM. I'm fine with some light pain like pinching, slapping (not too hard though), and spanking, but again not too hard and not with like a cane or paddle, and only if my partner enjoys it. humiliation is something I am not a fan of in any capacity though. Dirty talk is one thing, if kept in private, but actual humiliation, especially in public is something I just never quite understood or enjoyed.

I've always been into the domination/submission aspects and focus of BDSM, especially in a roleplay capacity. Like pet play for example which is one of my personal favorites. Yes I know I'm a pervert, but hey it is what is is. :p

I do prefer romance focused games though, I don't like BDSM of any kind unless it's with someone I love and trust and vice versa, that enjoys the activity/lifestyle, otherwise it does nothing for me. Which is why I also dislike when games lock BDSM content behind a "corruption" route, where the relationship is basically a loveless sex fest void of any romance.

Anyways enough blabbing, gonna go make some Mozzarella sticks now. (y)
Same here.
My housemate/ex-wife is/was a lifestyle Domme for many years. She did not do humiliation and age play. There are plenty of others willing to do that.

My own Domming is limited to sensation play up to the level of flogging and spanking--pretty light stuff compared to what I've seen in the scene.

The stories the two of us are writing that touch upon BDSM will usually have a strong romantic aspect--part of a couple/triad's relationship play. The first one is a lesbian couple on their honeymoon--they have a bit a D/s dynamic. Another will be a leather family in space (cargo haulers).

Some may seek more extreme scenes, but they're not going to get it from me.
 
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I think the biggest issue with BDSM in games is that the player can't actively negotiate it like one can in reality.

In reality, everyone involved can say what they want and want they don't. What they're comfortable with and what they aren't.
Can't really do that in a VN or any game. You have to accept or refuse various kinks pretty much blind, then continue or load back depending on if things are to your tastes
BDSM in the media tends to play fast and loose with consent. I think in a VN if you're going to have CNC (consensual non consent) play, one has to be VERY clear.

I expect that setting limits for scenes in a VN is doable. I'm definitely using safe words/levels in my D/s story. Thinking of that, it might be interesting to have a chose of playing as the dominant or the submissive partner, keeping in mind that the submissive is the one who is actually in control in the average scene. It is the Dom/Domme's job to monitor the sub's state in play. The goal (as I see it) is to help the sub to reach "sub space" through that trust.

I think that is one of the problems with many BDSM stories in VNs--it often focuses on the Dom's apparent power and doesn't give enough attention to the sub's actual power in a scene.

There is one story we're working on for which building trust will be paramount--"Dating Legion," which will be about being in a relationship with someone with Disassociative Identity Disorder.
 
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Every time someone mentions the thoroughly debunked (even by it's authors) stupid paper about alphas and betas, a poor wolf cub dies of shame.

It's very appealing to those that would very much like to find a reason to affirm themselves as superior, even when that wish alone marks them as inferior due to the need of external affirmation, it simply isn't true.

So, every time someone brings it up, they are saying 2 things, that they want a comfortable lie instead of a thorny truth, and, that they feel a need to be seen as strong due to their feelings of inadequacy.

Or... they are the victims of a very dysfunctional society that needs it's members to feel in constant fight or flight stance so they never realize how fucked up that society is.

However you look at it, it is a sign of low intelligence and high aggressiveness, usually associated with chemical and hormonal imbalances.



Peace :)
Or, you know, they’re just using a colloquialism and/or engaging in a meme… :cautious:
 
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I think the biggest issue with BDSM in games is that the player can't actively negotiate it like one can in reality.

In reality, everyone involved can say what they want and want they don't. What they're comfortable with and what they aren't.
Can't really do that in a VN or any game. You have to accept or refuse various kinks pretty much blind, then continue or load back depending on if things are to your tastes
BDSM in the media tends to play fast and loose with consent. I think in a VN if you're going to have CNC (consensual non consent) play, one has to be VERY clear.

I expect that setting limits for scenes in a VN is doable. I'm definitely using safe words/levels in my D/s story. Thinking of that, it might be interesting to have a chose of playing as the dominant or the submissive partner, keeping in mind that the submissive is the one who is actually in control in the average scene. It is the Dom/Domme's job to monitor the sub's state in play. The goal (as I see it) is to help the sub to reach "sub space" through that trust.

I think that is one of the problems with many BDSM stories in VNs--it often focuses on the Dom's apparent power and doesn't give enough attention to the sub's actual power in a scene.

There is one story we're working on for which building trust will be paramount--"Dating Legion," which will be about being in a relationship with someone with Disassociative Identity Disorder.
I will answer these posts as a writer. Since your points are very interesting.

Another thing about BDSM in AVNs is that a lot of time the writers who write about it have no clue about how it works in reality (me included). Half the time the writers don't even know how a "normal" relationship works! And I won't even talk about how poly/harem/bisexuality/etc. work. But everyone loves writing about things they don't know about (me included).

Fortunately, in my case, I've been able to talk before starting development, or through it, with people who know a lot more than me about topics I don't have any knowledge (poly, bisexuality, transgender, PTSD, surviving cancer (mastectomy in the case of the person I talked to), etc.) and what I haven't the chance to talk about, I have researched it. And even then, I messed up with something (yesterday someone told me the MC didn't tell Scarlett "I love you" in SL, but "Me love you", for example, although that could be chalked to the fact that the MC is still learning, and gives me the chance to make another scene about sign language.).

What Dragon says about apparent vs real power, is hard to show in an AVN if the writer isn't into BDSM. From the outside, the apparent power is much more appealing, especially in a world (the AVN world) where most games delve into power fantasies.

About what S1nsational says about negotiating what can/can't be done, I think it can be done in a BDSM-focused game, but not in a game where BDSM is a small part, since the development time invested in doing it that way would impact negatively in the real focus of the game. Imagine if I offered 4 choices about content for the femdom path, 4 more choices for the maledom one, and obviously at least one "mandatory" sub-scene for maledom and another for femdom. Add to that the romance path, and I would be juggling with 11-15 sub-scenes every time Maddie shows up. I would end up sending her to Florida to sell pareos on the beach taking advantage of Meemaw's empty house.
 
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