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jI11jaCksjAkk

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my xrays look like a Rand McNally road atlas
Sadly nobody under the age of probably 30-ish will get that joke. I remember offhand talking to my son once years ago and mentioning this archaic analog device (atlas) for navigation and getting a complete look of condescension/confusion in return. :LOL:
Nowadays if the cellphone generation ends up with a vehicle navigation system off-line at the same time as their phones are out of range or dead, I worry that they might actually just lay down in the road and expire for lack of knowing what to do. :cry:
 

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Sadly nobody under the age of probably 30-ish will get that joke. I remember offhand talking to my son once years ago and mentioning this archaic analog device (atlas) for navigation and getting a complete look of condescension/confusion in return. :LOL:
Nowadays if the cellphone generation ends up with a vehicle navigation system off-line at the same time as their phones are out of range or dead, I worry that they might actually just lay down in the road and expire for lack of knowing what to do. :cry:
Unfortunately, you can also die due to navigation. One guy drove his car into a lake and drowned. The navigation told him to turn, so he just turned.
 

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Sadly nobody under the age of probably 30-ish will get that joke. I remember offhand talking to my son once years ago and mentioning this archaic analog device (atlas) for navigation and getting a complete look of condescension/confusion in return. :LOL:
Nowadays if the cellphone generation ends up with a vehicle navigation system off-line at the same time as their phones are out of range or dead, I worry that they might actually just lay down in the road and expire for lack of knowing what to do. :cry:
I loved my Key Map back in the day - of course, those were for just one city, but I never lived in more than one at any given time, so... ;)

Unfortunately, you can also die due to navigation. One guy drove his car into a lake and drowned. The navigation told him to turn, so he just turned.
Darwinistic tech. If someone can't pay enough attention too look up from their screens and out their windows before plunging in to a lake, maybe the world is better off. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Am I dumb or does Season 2 end prematurely? How can it be that Season 3 is already out but there's no end-of-season save for season 2? It just says "This is the end of the update" at some point and goes to main menu.
 
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Sadly nobody under the age of probably 30-ish will get that joke. I remember offhand talking to my son once years ago and mentioning this archaic analog device (atlas) for navigation and getting a complete look of condescension/confusion in return. :LOL:
Nowadays if the cellphone generation ends up with a vehicle navigation system off-line at the same time as their phones are out of range or dead, I worry that they might actually just lay down in the road and expire for lack of knowing what to do. :cry:
I keep my old local maps collection in the back of my car in the seat pocket. A few years ago I was driving my god-kids to see a movie and the younger one grabbed one and decided to find where we were going on the map. Found the location three times on our way there (and no, it wasn't the right map ^_^).
 

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Am I dumb or does Season 2 end prematurely? How can it be that Season 3 is already out but there's no end-of-season save for season 2? It just says "This is the end of the update" at some point and goes to main menu.
I mean, you still have to make a save, but between releasing "Season 2" and "Season 3" they figured out how to get the season 3 game to auto-recognize the season two save as long as it was "within range" of the end of that version of the game, so there's no need for a singular save screen.

Also, like many devs, the seasons are more about file size and accommodating download restrictions and Android program-size limitations than what part of the story is being told.

This game is basically designed in three acts. The first act was the intro to the family and relationship building. The second act started with the arrival of the first wave of students (if I remember correctly) and ends when MC heads off to Aruba. Then after a time jump he returns (after the second wave of lodgers arrive) beginning the third act (again, if I remember correctly).

So you're right, "Season 2" isn't the end of Act 2. But the "end of season" save won't be a thing in this game for future seasons either, I guess.
 

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I mean, you still have to make a save, but between releasing "Season 2" and "Season 3" they figured out how to get the season 3 game to auto-recognize the season two save as long as it was "within range" of the end of that version of the game, so there's no need for a singular save screen.

Also, like many devs, the seasons are more about file size and accommodating download restrictions and Android program-size limitations than what part of the story is being told.

This game is basically designed in three acts. The first act was the intro to the family and relationship building. The second act started with the arrival of the first wave of students (if I remember correctly) and ends when MC heads off to Aruba. Then after a time jump he returns (after the second wave of lodgers arrive) beginning the third act (again, if I remember correctly).

So you're right, "Season 2" isn't the end of Act 2. But the "end of season" save won't be a thing in this game for future seasons either, I guess.
Alright, that clears it up. Thank you. I didn't really mind that S2 ended where it did. Just confused by the change in transition method I suppose. By doing it some way at the end of S1 they created the expectation that that's what an end-of-season looks like. It might clear things up if instead of "This is the end of the update" it were to say "This is the end of Season 2" or something like that. After all, End-of-Update screens are very common in VNs and most of the time don't indicate End-of-Season releases.

And yes I know you're not the dev. Take it as me thinking out loud. But again, thanks for clearing it up. Time to download S3 then.
 

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Am I dumb or does Season 2 end prematurely? How can it be that Season 3 is already out but there's no end-of-season save for season 2? It just says "This is the end of the update" at some point and goes to main menu.
Since I wasn't 100% sure the change between Season 2 (0.20) and Season 3 (0.21) would go smoothly with the new system, I didn't want to announce the Season finale in-game until everything was ready, in case I needed to add 0.21 to Season 2 through a bigger compression. Once all was ironed out, it was too late to add a new End of Season screen.
 

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they created the expectation
Pretty sure "they" did not. A one-time event (how S1 transitioned to S2 in this AVN) is never the basis for an "expectation." Even the most simple line requires 2 data points, and even then no statistician would take 2 points and automatically assume that a third point would fall perfectly in line with the previous 2. Expectations arise from false assumptions made by users. The progression of AVNs is probably much closer to being a chaotic system (maybe even stochasitic) than a deterministic one, so if one sees something happen once in an AVN update it is only going to cause frustration to expect every update in the future to be exactly the same. :cool:
 
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Anyone else having trouble with the latest android update?
Around 5,000 players downloaded it and few of them had any problem, and most of the problems where user-produced.
Please, tell me which problem you are experiencing, and let's see if we can find a solution.
 

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Load saves too continue story and text comes up but no pics. I've tried uninstall and download new one and same thing!
 
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Load saves too continue story and text comes up but no pics. I've tried uninstall and download new one and same thing!
The image name not showing (upper left corner, in red) starts with c18, c19, or anything below c20?
Your save isn't from the last chapter of Season 2. You should play Season 2 almost until the end (the DnD game should have started) to be able to load the game in Season 3 and see the images. The last chapter images were included to avoid this problem with people who saved mid 0.20, but if the save is from the pool party, for example, it won't show the images.
 
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Pretty sure "they" did not. A one-time event (how S1 transitioned to S2 in this AVN) is never the basis for an "expectation." Even the most simple line requires 2 data points, and even then no statistician would take 2 points and automatically assume that a third point would fall perfectly in line with the previous 2. Expectations arise from false assumptions made by users. The progression of AVNs is probably much closer to being a chaotic system (maybe even stochasitic) than a deterministic one, so if one sees something happen once in an AVN update it is only going to cause frustration to expect every update in the future to be exactly the same. :cool:
Whilst I'm not arguing with your statements about statistics, there are way more than just 1 datapoint. After all, this isn't the only VN around. And whilst the process is far form uniform, explicitly stating the end of a Season is quite common and not at all an unreasonable assumption from a game which has itself done so in the past.

While it's true that a single line requires two data points, and statisticians are cautious with limited data, the statement 'expectations arise from false assumptions' is overly simplistic and axiomatically false. Expectations can be based on accurate information and well-founded assumptions. It's essential to consider the context and underlying data quality before making such broad generalizations. ;)

In any case, it's no big deal. It was unclear, I asked, it got clarified. Fun talk, have a nice wank.
 

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Whilst I'm not arguing with your statements about statistics, there are way more than just 1 datapoint. After all, this isn't the only VN around. And whilst the process is far form uniform, explicitly stating the end of a Season is quite common and not at all an unreasonable assumption from a game which has itself done so in the past.

While it's true that a single line requires two data points, and statisticians are cautious with limited data, the statement 'expectations arise from false assumptions' is overly simplistic and axiomatically false. Expectations can be based on accurate information and well-founded assumptions. It's essential to consider the context and underlying data quality before making such broad generalizations. ;)

In any case, it's no big deal. It was unclear, I asked, it got clarified. Fun talk, have a nice wank.
Considering that "Learning from Experience" is a de facto use of assumptions and extrapolation, neither of you is wrong. Or both are.

The thing is, the method used in going from Season 1 to Season 2, proved itself unreliable and needed too much user caution. We all know that relying on people doing what they're told, is a recipe for trouble. So, the process was simplified and removed a LOT of user caution. Not all of it, unfortunately.

Expecting it to work on the second interaction as it did on the first, is a reasonable assumption.

BUT.

Expecting no evolution or improvement is not. The only Universal Constant is Change. Adaptation and Learning from Experience, the basis of Humanity overwhelming success, are not in conflict, they are concurrent methods.

Expect Change. Assume Change. Adapt, Learn, Overcome.

:: Steps down from the Soap Box ::

Thank you for coming to my Fat Talk.

Peace :)
 

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Considering that "Learning from Experience" is a de facto use of assumptions and extrapolation, neither of you is wrong. Or both are.

The thing is, the method used in going from Season 1 to Season 2, proved itself unreliable and needed too much user caution. We all know that relying on people doing what they're told, is a recipe for trouble. So, the process was simplified and removed a LOT of user caution. Not all of it, unfortunately.

Expecting it to work on the second interaction as it did on the first, is a reasonable assumption.

BUT.

Expecting no evolution or improvement is not. The only Universal Constant is Change. Adaptation and Learning from Experience, the basis of Humanity overwhelming success, are not in conflict, they are concurrent methods.

Expect Change. Assume Change. Adapt, Learn, Overcome.

:: Steps down from the Soap Box ::

Thank you for coming to my Fat Talk.

Peace :)
Oh absolutely. It's very understandable from a developer's perspective and it wasn't a problem for me at all. I'm fairly laid back about life in general. That's why my interaction started with inquisition. There was some conflicting information. On the one hand the message at the end of the season, on the other hand the very existence of a third season. So rather than make assumptions, I just asked. And was answered in short order.

But whenever someone very enthusiastic about knowledge and the rational method is inaccurate in their address, I would feel remiss not to help them out.
 
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