belyal

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althought we know the start is a bit cliché
I love that you guys KNOW that some of the stuff is a bit Cliche and that you essentially have the characters break the 4th wall and say things are cliche and such. Adds a good bit of humor to the game while at the same time saying "yeah yeah, we know this trope has been done/said" but keeping it your own.
 
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MikesDK

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Doesn't really seem like you "love this game" since you appear to "hate" a part of it which is there to explain "the vibe" of this unusual family.
It looks like you're still early on in the story. If it bothers you that much, here are few possible suggestions:
  • Enable the clone version, vs the family version, so that Martha is no longer related to the MC.
  • Skip past the Martha scenes that apparently bother you, because they're certainly not going to change.
  • Accept that you don't actually like the overall tone of this title. You may enjoy parts of it, but a key piece seems to bother you.
The fundamental basis of this novel is about the MC's view of family, and their nonstandard relationships. An important quality of which is the MC's relationship with his mother. The scene you talked about, which is from quite a while back in the novel, is relatively important (pardon the pun).
It's used to explain character dynamics, Martha's attraction to the MC, even if subconsciously, and to give some elucidation. Your choice may have been for the MC to not pursue a relationship with Martha, but that doesn't stop her from being interested in him, and at that point they haven't talked about it yet. The MC being polite, not wanting to make his mom feel more uncomfortable, and not really being concerned about nudity, are all things that get established with that one quick scene. That doesn't make him a "wet nuddle" it makes him a considerate human being, he's actually very protective of his family, as you will see should you choose to continue with the story.

As a quick side note, arguing with the author/developer to try and get them to change their story isn't productive.
Sorry to say, if the above doesn't make sense, this VN probably isn't for you.
Thankfully there are many more out there that might be. You can do an advanced search and add incest to the Without tags field so you don't see anything else with mothers and sons.

I'm amazed the Martha fans haven't bombarded the thread ...yet
Clones or not wouldent help much i still dont want anything to do with Martha, shes just not my type and just because i hate some aspects of a game dosent mean i cant enjoy other parts, no game will ever make all players 100% happy and skipping is not an option then theres no point in playing, im alot more into story then sex scenes.
Also this is a forum where you can talk about your views and thats what im doing, im not trying to get anything changed other then maybe the Scarlett fantazy image but thats another story, but i am here to vent my views on the game which is what the forum is for.

The mother scene dosent feel importen to me, maybe at a later time i have no clue since im not there yet and first time playing it, it feels like a pure mother scene that has no place to be there when your not on her route, no one should touch an MCs dick without being on her route and if such thing happens MC should be mad and make damn sure it dosent happen again no matter if the mother gets a little uncomfortable, not saying he should blow up but he should set her stright right away, thats better then it happening again or giving her falsh hope for things that will never happen, now that would be a considerate human being, like MC thinks to himself, hes tierd of never talking about things but even so he still dosent talk or put things right he just says sorry.....not much of a talk.

And to me he does have 0 backbone and feels like a wet nuddle when he cant get mad or even talk seriously about something that he dosent want and when MC instend says sorry? hes even worse then a wet nuddle, you might look at it diffent but thats life we dont all see things the same way.

Also it wasent a subconsciously thing she did, she desided to touch hes dick multiple times after waking up knowing MC wouldent want it since she thinks hes against incest at that time which makes it even more worng for her to do it, so ofcause she should be told so.

Also MC went from being concerned about nudity to being fine with it out of nowhere, he went from putting on hes pants knowing hes mother would walk in to check on him to nude in a hearth beat, which also dident make any kind of sense in my eyes when not on her route.

So yes i hated that part and hate the wet nuddle MC personalty, but i love the choices, some of the other girls and the stories with them and i love incest games just not mother/son, but sister/daughter.
 
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Dr. Mick

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Personal preference:
A- A tempting treat, though a touch small
B- Beautifully sized. Ideal. Not too big, not too small
C- Cuppable, and oh so squeezable; the start of "big"
D- Doubt you can hold it all at once, and your choice of tops are limited
E- Even baggy clothes show how big they are
G(and above)- Get ready for lifelong backpain, struggling to find bras, having to either pass on a multitude of dresses or have everything tailored.
 

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All boobs are beautiful, but I do prefer them on the bigger side too. The important thing for VNs is variety and not forcing one thing on everyone. One of the best things My Dorm does is giving all the girls variety of pubic hair, rather than simply all shaved like far too many VNs do.
 

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For me personally A is really small, B is small, C is average, D starts to be big. DD busty, G my prefered size.

Nothing wrong with B or bigger, A is just to small for me.
If we're going based off of purely physical attraction, C is the smallest that'll turn my head. Dating a girl with a or b cups would require she have an amazing personality... And that I'd known her long enough for that personality to cause me to catch feels.
 
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For starters, I wasn't replying you.
Also, you said you didn't like the greeting kisses, not that you wanted the developer to change and important story scene.

While kissing as a greeting is commonplace in multiple countries, it's understandable if you aren't used to that how it might make you feel uncomfortable.
At no point did I tell anyone they aren't allowed to love this VN. I simply suggested to the person I was actually talking to that it didn't seem like they were really enjoying what they had seen so far. Along with letting them know that there would be more of that "vibe", as they put it, further along. That way they aren't surprised by it, should they choose to continue.
it wasn't that I thought you were telling him he did not love the game

perhaps I misread your comment that is very possible but

it came across as you telling him

if the game bothers him that much go play something else instead of voicing his opinion

of course you did not say that but that's how I interpret it
 
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Simply one of the worst pieces of history I've ever seen from the second part onwards... out of nowhere they simply say that the protagonist's mother died and that none of them are related to him just to avoid incest, it was the second biggest disappointment I've had with games of this genre... shameful!!!

If I could I would give the game a negative rating but websites don't put that kind of option...
Wait, seriously? Please don't EVER procreate!!!
 

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If we're going based off of purely physical attraction, C is the smallest that'll turn my head. Dating a girl with a or b cups would require she have an amazing personality... And that I'd known her long enough for that personality to cause me to catch feels.
Funny its the total oppesit for me, if a girl is bigger then a C i wouldent even give her a look but keep walking and look at anything else lol, when they get to D or more they start to ruin the look of the girl for me and most times they are not firm but saggy and thats just not my taste, but its a good thing more people are into big tits since that means less competiion for the smaller sized girls in real life and that i can only love and support :)
 

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Clones or not wouldent help much i still dont want anything to do with Martha, shes just not my type and just because i hate some aspects of a game dosent mean i cant enjoy other parts, no game will ever make all players 100% happy and skipping is not an option then theres no point in playing, im alot more into story then sex scenes.
Also this is a forum where you can talk about your views and thats what im doing, im not trying to get anything changed other then maybe the Scarlett fantazy image but thats another story, but i am here to vent my views on the game which is what the forum is for.
Those were just suggestions. If they don't work for helping you get past the Martha issue, then just ignore them. Simply wanted to offer ways that might make that scene have less of an impact on you.
You're obviously free to express your opinion on this forum, I wasn't trying to dissuade you from doing so. My attempt was to let you know that trying to get the author/dev to change anything, especially before you're up to date so you see how those scenes fit, is an unrealistic expectation.
The mother scene dosent feel importen to me, maybe at a later time i have no clue since im not there yet and first time playing it, it feels like a pure mother scene that has no place to be there when your not on her route, no one should touch an MCs dick without being on her route and if such thing happens MC should be mad and make damn sure it dosent happen again no matter if the mother gets a little uncomfortable, not saying he should blow up but he should set her stright right away, thats better then it happening again or giving her falsh hope for things that will never happen, now that would be a considerate human being, like MC thinks to himself, hes tierd of never talking about things but even so he still dosent talk or put things right he just says sorry.....not much of a talk.

And to me he does have 0 backbone and feels like a wet nuddle when he cant get mad or even talk seriously about something that he dosent want and when MC instend says sorry? hes even worse then a wet nuddle, you might look at it diffent but thats life we dont all see things the same way.

Also it wasent a subconsciously thing she did, she desided to touch hes dick multiple times after waking up knowing MC wouldent want it since she thinks hes against incest at that time which makes it even more worng for her to do it, so ofcause she should be told so.

Also MC went from being concerned about nudity to being fine with it out of nowhere, he went from putting on hes pants knowing hes mother would walk in to check on him to nude in a hearth beat, which also dident make any kind of sense in my eyes.

So yes i hated that part and hate the wet nuddle MC personalty, but i love the choices, some of the other girls and the stories with them and i love incest games just not mother/son, but sister/daughter.
I've already alluded to what some of the explanations for these are previously.
While I could go through and give a detailed account about future events that would change how all of the above is viewed, I won't.
In short, it would spoil huge chunks of the story, and without seeing them unfold naturally they wouldn't have the same impact.

A couple quick points, just to give you some insight that might help your decision about whether or not to continue (blurred out in case you don't want any spoilers):

That scene with Martha starts a fundamental part of the dynamics and relationships going forward with the MC and a great deal of the LIs in the story. It, along with a scene with Nora, are the beginning of an awakening for the MC and his family. They're all attracted to him, and everyone realizing it starts here.

At the point where you're at, the MC is trying to find his place in the family home again after being away for so long. He loves his mother dearly, is worried about her after the trauma of her husband cheating, stealing, and abandoning them, and doesn't want to yell at her when he sees that she's already upset.
His initial apprehension about nudity is entirely for other's benefit, not his own. All of that, and more, comes out later.
The MC is definitely not a wet noodle; he's fiercely protective of his family. He literally fights for them, is willing to put himself in harm's way to help them, and would go to any length to make sure they are safe and happy. You haven't seen it yet, but I can tell you definitively that it will be very clear fairly soon.

Ultimately, the choice you have to make is whether or not you want to give the story a chance.
If you do, I suggest waiting until you are at least done with part one before you make any more judgements. That gives you time to get to know the MC better, to meet most of the rest of the characters, and to see how the family dynamics actually play out.
If something really bothers you, take notes and come back to comment on it later, and we can talk more about it then.
I hope that's what you'll do. If not, then I hope you find something that fits your tastes better.
 

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Those were just suggestions. If they don't work for helping you get past the Martha issue, then just ignore them. Simply wanted to offer ways that might make that scene have less of an impact on you.
You're obviously free to express your opinion on this forum, I wasn't trying to dissuade you from doing so. My attempt was to let you know that trying to get the author/dev to change anything, especially before you're up to date so you see how those scenes fit, is an unrealistic expectation.

I've already alluded to what some of the explanations for these are previously.
While I could go through and give a detailed account about future events that would change how all of the above is viewed, I won't.
In short, it would spoil huge chunks of the story, and without seeing them unfold naturally they wouldn't have the same impact.

A couple quick points, just to give you some insight that might help your decision about whether or not to continue (blurred out in case you don't want any spoilers):

That scene with Martha starts a fundamental part of the dynamics and relationships going forward with the MC and a great deal of the LIs in the story. It, along with a scene with Nora, are the beginning of an awakening for the MC and his family. They're all attracted to him, and everyone realizing it starts here.

At the point where you're at, the MC is trying to find his place in the family home again after being away for so long. He loves his mother dearly, is worried about her after the trauma of her husband cheating, stealing, and abandoning them, and doesn't want to yell at her when he sees that she's already upset.
His initial apprehension about nudity is entirely for other's benefit, not his own. All of that, and more, comes out later.
The MC is definitely not a wet noodle; he's fiercely protective of his family. He literally fights for them, is willing to put himself in harm's way to help them, and would go to any length to make sure they are safe and happy. You haven't seen it yet, but I can tell you definitively that it will be very clear fairly soon.

Ultimately, the choice you have to make is whether or not you want to give the story a chance.
If you do, I suggest waiting until you are at least done with part one before you make any more judgements. That gives you time to get to know the MC better, to meet most of the rest of the characters, and to see how the family dynamics actually play out.
If something really bothers you, take notes and come back to comment on it later, and we can talk more about it then.
I hope that's what you'll do. If not, then I hope you find something that fits your tastes better.
Well thanks for the heads up.

Maybe i took it the worng way but to me it just felt more like you where telling me what to do, but maybe i got something worng then its my bad.

I can totaly get behind him not yelling or blowing up, but i cant get behind him not telling her that she shouldent do that again, MC just saying sorry feels a bit stupid and it would only hurt the mother even more if MC allows her hope of them together to go on, so in my eyes its alot better to tell her no right away even if its in a very nice way and even more so if he loves her so much as a mother and not in a sexual way, not doing it could risk them breaking up that good relationship considering how the mother took it when it happened, but thats just my view on it and i dont think that can ever change, if it did it would really supprise me.

I dont mind spoilers about the mother since i couldent care less about her when it comes to sexual relationships, but i sure hope there wont be more of the mother or Nora in any sexual ways or them playing with hes dick, i turned both down for a reason and thats due to not wanting to have any sexual things with them and i hope thats also why you can turn them down permanently or it wouldent make sense, it would most defently not be something i would expect in the future since game as i see it is not about forced stuff.
On a side note, i dont hate Martha in any way so its not like i mind MC and her having a good mother/son relationship, thats perfectly fine, just not sexual and same goes for Nora for that matter :)

I get what your saying that MC will do anything for the family and i do love that, but when it comes to the family and those dramas hes a wet nuddle that dosent speak up when he really should and say sorry when he shouldent, thats in my personal view.

I will do as you say though and finish first part and see what happens.
 
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