Elhemeer

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By the way, over here when a woman get married she keeps her surname, she can ad if she wishes, the spouse name, with the prefix "de"
xyz Rodriguez marries xyz Fernandez she can update her papers to Rodriguez de Fernadez ; (Time consuming and nobody does it nowadays)
Even in the US there are people that do that, usually they hyphenate the names together (XX Rogers and YY Martin become Rogers-Martin or Martin-Rogers (up to them how they do it).

And I have a cousin that she and her husband chose a new last name for them both, entirely unrelated to either family. I presume their previous last names are on their marriage license in some capacity, but I didn't actually see it, so who knows.
 

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Even in the US there are people that do that, usually they hyphenate the names together (XX Rogers and YY Martin become Rogers-Martin or Martin-Rogers (up to them how they do it).

And I have a cousin that she and her husband chose a new last name for them both, entirely unrelated to either family. I presume their previous last names are on their marriage license in some capacity, but I didn't actually see it, so who knows.
Continuing with Xap's explanation, it's a bit different than in the US. ONLY the wife can add the "de" clause (at least in Spain, where nobody does it anymore). Informally, my wife can be referenced as "Sra. de MyLastName" (Mrs. of MyLastName, denoting she's my "property") even if she didn't change it officially. Only very old people use that nowadays, and, at most, they call her Mrs. MyLastName (also seldomly used).

We get two last names (one from the father, and one from the mother. Usually in that order). In your Rogers-Martin example, I guess both are called Rogers-Martin and their kids will be called Rogers-Martin.
If Mr. Fernández González marries Ms. García Sánchez, she can change her surnames to García de Fernández Sánchez. The underlined part becoming her first surname. But their kids will be Fernández García, not Fernández García de Fernández.

Yes, we are weird.
 

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Continuing with Xap's explanation, it's a bit different than in the US. ONLY the wife can add the "de" clause (at least in Spain, where nobody does it anymore). Informally, my wife can be referenced as "Sra. de MyLastName" (Mrs. of MyLastName, denoting she's my "property") even if she didn't change it officially. Only very old people use that nowadays, and, at most, they call her Mrs. MyLastName (also seldomly used).

We get two last names (one from the father, and one from the mother. Usually in that order). In your Rogers-Martin example, I guess both are called Rogers-Martin and their kids will be called Rogers-Martin.
If Mr. Fernández González marries Ms. García Sánchez, she can change her surnames to García de Fernández Sánchez. The underlined part becoming her first surname. But their kids will be Fernández García, not Fernández García de Fernández.

Yes, we are weird.
Exactly ! I think, this is adopted from Spain, since it is in the whole Hispano American room (this excludes Brasil, and the Guyanas)
As we were, in differnce to others Vize Kingdoms.
 
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Since dialogue stuff is getting posted here, Debbie should be saying "Kim and me", unless you want it to read as the grammatically incorrect mistake many people do often make. But, since these are college girls and Debbie seems to be from an affluent family, it's likely she'd say it properly.
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For any that might disagree with me, or who may be less familiar with the oddities of English, read the sentence without "you, Lisa, and" and you'll see what I mean - that's the test.
 
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Continuing with Xap's explanation, it's a bit different than in the US. ONLY the wife can add the "de" clause (at least in Spain, where nobody does it anymore). Informally, my wife can be referenced as "Sra. de MyLastName" (Mrs. of MyLastName, denoting she's my "property") even if she didn't change it officially. Only very old people use that nowadays, and, at most, they call her Mrs. MyLastName (also seldomly used).

We get two last names (one from the father, and one from the mother. Usually in that order). In your Rogers-Martin example, I guess both are called Rogers-Martin and their kids will be called Rogers-Martin.
If Mr. Fernández González marries Ms. García Sánchez, she can change her surnames to García de Fernández Sánchez. The underlined part becoming her first surname. But their kids will be Fernández García, not Fernández García de Fernández.

Yes, we are weird.
Here, in the small Iberian Rectangle, we do it differently.

3 options:
1- The married couple DON'T change their names. The most common nowadays, mostly because it is a PITA to change it back after a divorce.
2- The married couple BOTH change their names. Rare, but possible, this takes the form of appending the last surname. We get 2 surnames, the first one called "Matronímico" is from Mother's last surname, the 2nd called "Patronímico" is the last surname of the Father. In effect, it is derived from the surnames of our Grandfathers. When adding a last name both change the surname to one of theirs. They have 4 to choose from.
3- The married couple only ONE change their names. This was the rule for centuries, the wife would add the husbands "Patronímico". There are cases, as in my family, where the surname is composed of 2 surnames connected by a "de", in this case, it is the choice of the married couple, if they append the full surname or only one of them. This tends to make women's names incredibly long with 3 or 4 surnames besides the traditional 2 names.

Wars and Feuds were fought over these rules. Lineages and "Families" all exerted pressure over the married people to force the adoption of what rule was more favorable to their plans.

It may sound weird that people marry already making plans for what could happen in a divorce, but if you think about it, it makes complete sense. The romantic version "married forever", is no longer a credible option to anyone with a modicum of intelligence. It may happen, it may not... let's be smart and make provisions to make our life easier.

I know of at least 10 couples, that married, divorced, still live together, raising their children. What type of arrangement they have in the bedroom(s), is what works for them. Some are open, some are half-open (not always the husband), some are closed. And some are whatever and everything goes. In these cases, the naming conventions stopped making sense a long time ago.

Peace :D
 

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Continuing with Xap's explanation, it's a bit different than in the US. ONLY the wife can add the "de" clause (at least in Spain, where nobody does it anymore). Informally, my wife can be referenced as "Sra. de MyLastName" (Mrs. of MyLastName, denoting she's my "property") even if she didn't change it officially. Only very old people use that nowadays, and, at most, they call her Mrs. MyLastName (also seldomly used).

We get two last names (one from the father, and one from the mother. Usually in that order). In your Rogers-Martin example, I guess both are called Rogers-Martin and their kids will be called Rogers-Martin.
If Mr. Fernández González marries Ms. García Sánchez, she can change her surnames to García de Fernández Sánchez. The underlined part becoming her first surname. But their kids will be Fernández García, not Fernández García de Fernández.

Yes, we are weird.
As far as i am aware its actually still pretty common here in Canada for the wife to take her husband's last name. My wife took mine when we got matried although she didn't like her maiden name.
Apparently 80 percent of women in the states take their husbands last name. It is becoming more common not too.
 

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Is that a pizza with all those ticklish strands of mozzarella removed with wax (including any strays found on the bottom of the pie) before being baked to a nice dark brown in the sun??
I See What You Did There (Stevie Wonder).jpg Rolled eyes - saw brain.jpg

Yeah...but does it take it's spouse's name when it gets married?? :LOL:
No... but, it wears a tuque and says "sore-ee" and "uh-boot" a lot...
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wait i cant remember did the grandma have a hysterectomy or did she beat the cancer? because if it's the ladder she's only 1 year older then betty. so mc could pull a turkey in pregnancy bowling.
She beat cancer because she had a hysterectomy. She was in preventive chemo after the surgery.
 

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She beat cancer because she had a hysterectomy. She was in preventive chemo after the surgery.
i meant beat the cancer as in got cured non-surgically, but thanks for the clarification. oh, well here's to hoping the exchange girls will be accepting bun recipes
 
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Continuing with Xap's explanation, it's a bit different than in the US. ONLY the wife can add the "de" clause
My GF died before I could wife her, but I had toyed with the idea taking her maiden name myself. My last name is totally generic (not "Smith", but close enough) and she was born a Thorson - tough to get a more masculine name than that! :)
 
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