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The story with Kate's sexuality makes perfect sense and is well written if you're actually paying attention.

She was already bisexual from the start, but her first boyfriend abused her and traumatized her.
This caused her to seal away her attraction to guys tarring them all with the one brush.
This left only her attraction to women.
Naturally she as someone "only" attracted to, and only dates, women is going to call herself a lesbian.
MC comes along and starts breaking down her emotional and mental barriers and showing her that not all guys are abusive assholes.
Naturally, being forced to confront her growing attraction to MC and what that means for her and her sexuality is going to have her a little or more freaked out.


Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing a more confident and happy bisexual Kate after this current update
Thanks.
Kate will have a very small role in the next update, but it will be meaningful, showing the closure of her doubts.
She will also be referenced in Kim's picnic (obviously, if on Kim's path), since they are roommates (real roommates, no landlady-roommate thing :ROFLMAO: ).
 
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I do hope that the new girls feminism will be treated respectfully. Sure irl there are some misandrist who call themselves feminist, they go too far, and not everything is men's fault. But feminism is still relevant, it's easy to make the feminist characters a laughing stock, (like a certain other game did). I hope that the girl's feminism won't be the obstacle to dating her, and that she would still remain a feminist in some sort after starting to date MC. I really like the character writings so I hope I won't be disappointed.
 

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I do hope that the new girls feminism will be treated respectfully. Sure irl there are some misandrist who call themselves feminist, they go too far, and not everything is men's fault. But feminism is still relevant, it's easy to make the feminist characters a laughing stock, (like a certain other game did). I hope that the girl's feminism won't be the obstacle to dating her, and that she would still remain a feminist in some sort after starting to date MC. I really like the character writings so I hope I won't be disappointed.
IMHO, feminism (fighting for equality between genders) is great. I'm maybe the most feminist person in the world, and I respect the movement a lot.
The issue isn't feminism, but other things that self-label as feminism (and the opposite side labels as feminazism). The biggest perversions of those movements are replacing "equality" with "equity", "wanting compensation" for years of oppression, and chalking everything bad to the existence of "patriarchy".

Christy is a feminist and will remain one for the rest of her life. Her problem at the moment of her arrival is that she's also starting to flirt with the dark side, and seeing up to 22 women in a harem (and talking openly about it, with the culturally derogatory role that the word "harem" has in the West), with up to 21 of them pregnant with the children of the same (absent) man, will short-circuit her brain. Once she understands how and why the harem was formed, her perception of it will be different. But she won't understand it until the MC is home and she can see how he interacts with every woman in the family (regardless of whether she's in the harem or not).

I don't know which other game you are referencing as making feminist characters the laughing stock. Can I get a name, please?
 

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IMHO, feminism (fighting for equality between genders) is great. I'm maybe the most feminist person in the world, and I respect the movement a lot.
The issue isn't feminism, but other things that self-label as feminism (and the opposite side labels as feminazism). The biggest perversions of those movements are replacing "equality" with "equity", "wanting compensation" for years of oppression, and chalking everything bad to the existence of "patriarchy".

Christy is a feminist and will remain one for the rest of her life. Her problem at the moment of her arrival is that she's also starting to flirt with the dark side, and seeing up to 22 women in a harem (and talking openly about it, with the culturally derogatory role that the word "harem" has in the West), with up to 21 of them pregnant with the children of the same (absent) man, will short-circuit her brain. Once she understands how and why the harem was formed, her perception of it will be different. But she won't understand it until the MC is home and she can see how he interacts with every woman in the family (regardless of whether she's in the harem or not).

I don't know which other game you are referencing as making feminist characters the laughing stock. Can I get a name, please?
Probably Being a DIK for your final question there.

I've often wondered how ... I guess pressuring it must be for the new girls coming in. They find out that there's (potentially) a massive harem that they're basically moving in with, and their fellow students are (potentially) all in it. How many are going to be thinking there will be an expectation for them to get involved in it too?
 
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Feminism boils down to equal rights and opportunities.

But what you see in some games are man haters, and it's a power fantasy to make them dick lovers.

I don't know which other game you are referencing as making feminist characters the laughing stock. Can I get a name, please?
Of the top of my head;

Being a DIK has the fat alto girl stereotypes in the early season class rooms.
Cosy Cafe has Rachel that leans into this somewhat.
 
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Proper feminism is about women having the same rights and agency as men, and that anything a man can do a woman can do too.

A great example I remember seeing somewhere is this;

Forcing a woman to be a stay at home wife and mother is anti-feminist.
Forcing a woman to focus on her career and not have a partner or children is also anti-feminist.

So in terms of this game,

Forcing a woman into a harem with 20 other women is anti-feminist.
Preventing a woman from joining a harem with other women is also anti-feminist.

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Probably Being a DIK for your final question there.

I've often wondered how ... I guess pressuring it must be for the new girls coming in. They find out that there's (potentially) a massive harem that they're basically moving in with, and their fellow students are (potentially) all in it. How many are going to be thinking there will be an expectation for them to get involved in it too?
Some of them will feel more pressured than others (at least when they discover the harem), while others will be willing to join since minute 1 (well, not 1, but maybe 5).
The relationship with them will have a lot of branching depending on the composition of the harem.
Imagine Kalyani, for example. If Saira is in the harem (and there's a harem in place), she will be the first to learn everything about it and will be looking forward to meeting the man who has made so many great women fall in love with him. If Saira isn't in the harem, maybe Kaly is a bit bitter about the MC ("Why is he with so many women, but not with my cousin, who is great and changed colleges to be with him?"). If the MC is in a monogamous relationship with Saira, or if he's single, or if he's in a monogamous relationship with another girl, the dynamics will change a lot. It will be fun to write all those possibilities into the game.

Every one of the new girls will have branches like that, depending on who is in the harem and who isn't. Relationship Points and changes in dialogue are how I will reflect it.

Feminism boils down to equal rights and opportunities.

But what you see in some games are man haters, and it's a power fantasy to make them dick lovers.
Christy isn't a man-hater, don't worry. She's straight, and she knows it (I won't repeat Kate's storyline, who isn't a man-hater, but a man-distruster). Her problem will be that she will think she landed in a cult. Until she doesn't understand the family dynamics when the MC returns, she won't be able to accept it.

Put yourself in her shoes, where you move into a house (for at least a year) like the Marks's estate. I would think the same.

Proper feminism is about women having the same rights and agency as men, and that anything a man can do a woman can do too.

A great example I remember seeing somewhere is this;

Forcing a woman to be a stay at home wife and mother is anti-feminist.
Forcing a woman to focus on her career and not have a partner or children is also anti-feminist.

So in terms of this game,

Forcing a woman into a harem with 20 other women is anti-feminist.
Preventing a woman from joining a harem with other women is also anti-feminist.
That's what I said about equality. I'm 100% for it.
No one should force anyone (man or woman) to accept the classical gender roles. But forcing them to reject them is as bad.
Equality comprises freedom of choice, and it's something objective and measurable.
Equity is subjective because it's based on perceived wrongs committed on a collective (women, in this case).
 
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That's what I said about equality. I'm 100% for it.
No one should force anyone (man or woman) to accept the classical gender roles. But forcing them to reject them is as bad.
Equality comprises freedom of choice, and it's something objective and measurable.
Equity is subjective because it's based on perceived wrongs committed on a collective (women, in this case).
And how does this relate to the parities established from above? Is this forcing or quite the opposite? ;)
 
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And how does this relate to the parities established from above? Is this forcing or quite the opposite? ;)
That's the problem. ;)
Whatever anyone does, it's forcing it on someone else.
I remember a conversation on another forum about having optional pregnancies. A player said it was great to not have any forced or random pergnancies. Another player complained about having a FORCED CHOICE about pregnancies.
 
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That's the problem. ;)
Whatever anyone does, it's forcing it on someone else.
I remember a conversation on another forum about having optional pregnancies. A player said it was great to not have any forced or random pergnancies. Another player complained about having a FORCED CHOICE about pregnancies.
That's because pregnancies should only happen by accident, just like that guy who was complaining.
 
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