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I’ve been spending the past month or so digging into the rise of the NTR genre how it started, and what has made people so accepting of it within the last 10 to 15 years, when circles like ELF were seriously financially hurt for exploring this subgenre or making heroines non-virgins. Obviously, through my research, I’ve come across this game and made many other discoveries, but to stay on the topic of this game it completely made me have to redefine and relook at how I view love and relationships. And that’s groundbreaking coming from me, someone who’s sacrificed his entire life out of pride.

In the simplest way possible, the entire game is a fight between the impure and the pure as what you believe in as its underlying message, and it constantly beats you over the head with it. Someone said earlier in this thread that the game was full of “Japanisms,” which made it unbelievable in a sense but that’s exactly what the entire game is fighting against. The traditional “Japanisms” that say if a heroine isn’t pure, then she isn’t worth loving, and that once she’s tainted, she’s worthless.

I firmly believe this visual novel is one of the most important VNs to ever exist not even because the content is profoundly deep, but because it challenged an ideal and forced those who have certain beliefs to rethink what is love to you and how do you value it? Especially at the time of this game’s release, when hardcore otaku moe culture ruled, and if an artist even hinted at a heroine not being a virgin, he’d lose his career.

If this game were to release now when we live in the era of the whore I have not a single doubt it would win awards. I don’t want to ramble, but in case someone isn’t quite understanding what I’m talking about, I went through almost 10 years’ worth of comments on this game and came across a review where someone said, “The people who need to receive the message most from this game will never give it a chance.” I think that line sums up pretty well not only the reason behind why ELF failed but also this entire genre. I have so many jumbled, complicated thoughts about this game that would take forever to piece together, but I’ll just say this, this game was truly before it's time in every sense of the phrase. If a game or piece of art can make you as a person stop in your REAL life and think "wait is what im doing right" "have I been making a mistake", then in my opinion it is ground breaking.
 

stupid_army

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I’ve been spending the past month or so digging into the rise of the NTR genre how it started, and what has made people so accepting of it within the last 10 to 15 years, when circles like ELF were seriously financially hurt for exploring this subgenre or making heroines non-virgins. Obviously, through my research, I’ve come across this game and made many other discoveries, but to stay on the topic of this game it completely made me have to redefine and relook at how I view love and relationships. And that’s groundbreaking coming from me, someone who’s sacrificed his entire life out of pride.
You talking about Doukyuusei 2 right? That game sharing illustrator with this game, Kadoi Aya.
 

BakiSandro

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Is it just me, or I prefer ending 11 rather than all other ending, including 2 FIN ending?

The husband finally has peace on his mind and himself, with bittersweet but satisfying reunion.

Maybe my soul still a vanilla lover, but really though the 2 FIN ending is so bizarre that my mind and d*ck confused LOL
 

Lex Thorson

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Is it just me, or I prefer ending 11 rather than all other ending, including 2 FIN ending?

The husband finally has peace on his mind and himself, with bittersweet but satisfying reunion.

Maybe my soul still a vanilla lover, but really though the 2 FIN ending is so bizarre that my mind and d*ck confused LOL
If you preferred Ending 11, then it does seem that you didn't really pay close attention to it as the game makes it crystal clear that it was a Bad End and you chose wrong:

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I am sorry but END 11 is pretty horrible, you never move on, you will always be full of regret and what if's. Multiple characters warned him to go after Misaki and that he's making a terrible mistake and the MC acknowledges how stupid he was to abandon her like that and she had still waited for him, for years, before finally moving on.

FIN 2 is actually Vanilla, they are just roleplaying because they developed a bit of a fetish after everything that happened. But the important thing to note is that it's just roleplaying and them having their own fun, there is no cheating going on, whatsoever. The co-worker was only invited for the purpose of pretend, the flirting is fake and staged for their own benefit. Misaki doesn't sleep with anyone but the MC, wanted to make that clear...
 
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I’ve been spending the past month or so digging into the rise of the NTR genre how it started, and what has made people so accepting of it within the last 10 to 15 years, when circles like ELF were seriously financially hurt for exploring this subgenre or making heroines non-virgins. Obviously, through my research, I’ve come across this game and made many other discoveries, but to stay on the topic of this game it completely made me have to redefine and relook at how I view love and relationships. And that’s groundbreaking coming from me, someone who’s sacrificed his entire life out of pride.

In the simplest way possible, the entire game is a fight between the impure and the pure as what you believe in as its underlying message, and it constantly beats you over the head with it. Someone said earlier in this thread that the game was full of “Japanisms,” which made it unbelievable in a sense but that’s exactly what the entire game is fighting against. The traditional “Japanisms” that say if a heroine isn’t pure, then she isn’t worth loving, and that once she’s tainted, she’s worthless.

I firmly believe this visual novel is one of the most important VNs to ever exist not even because the content is profoundly deep, but because it challenged an ideal and forced those who have certain beliefs to rethink what is love to you and how do you value it? Especially at the time of this game’s release, when hardcore otaku moe culture ruled, and if an artist even hinted at a heroine not being a virgin, he’d lose his career.

If this game were to release now when we live in the era of the whore I have not a single doubt it would win awards. I don’t want to ramble, but in case someone isn’t quite understanding what I’m talking about, I went through almost 10 years’ worth of comments on this game and came across a review where someone said, “The people who need to receive the message most from this game will never give it a chance.” I think that line sums up pretty well not only the reason behind why ELF failed but also this entire genre. I have so many jumbled, complicated thoughts about this game that would take forever to piece together, but I’ll just say this, this game was truly before it's time in every sense of the phrase. If a game or piece of art can make you as a person stop in your REAL life and think "wait is what im doing right" "have I been making a mistake", then in my opinion it is ground breaking.
It's not just this game, I firmly believe their whole catalogue is seminal in some way for the eroge world. Still I don't understand if you "liked" it or not, I read your post on Davzz blog and it didn't really seem the case lol.
 
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It's not just this game, I firmly believe their whole catalogue is seminal in some way for the eroge world. Still I don't understand if you "liked" it or not, I read your post on Davzz blog and it didn't really seem the case lol.
I was moreso mad at him in specific and the way he wrote that up cause i didn't like how he was trying slightly make it seem like this game along with other ntr games were some kind of overly grandiose political statement. I don't wanna go back and look at the post im paraphrasing but it was something like "ntr is the voice of the unheard" or some shi lol, and it triggered me. It's just kinda like so oh Your value you took from this game isn't the message it's trying to present you're just a cuck. A lot of other stuff he said in it too but i depise false actors.
 

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I am having issues with the animations running properly. Is there something I can do to address this? thanks in advance for any assistance yo can provide. Take care.
 

ChupacabraGonzales

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Does this game feature any promotion-related content?

For some eccentric reason I get really excited whenever I think of an office lady hitting a slump at her workplace, then being pushed by desperation towards a career pivot into the oldest profession
 
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