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the girl I was talking about was like 1'55cm and she had Ds I which made me kinda sad for her since her back should be fucked
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I was talking about the length of this update. Which was literally maybe 2 mins. I wasnt talking about the whole of the game in of itself so far. So please reread what i said and then leave my quote out of it. Thank you
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I just wish it would end. Just about every game with NTR in it the antagonist is a black man. Personally its real wack to me.
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"Wonder if the dev will stick it out more then the first game they abandoned"
Oh Wow that first sentence pretty much kills any hype for the game if its true that they made a game before this kinda bummer I mean I like the models and the art style the only reason why Im not trying out immediately is well I dont play games to lose because that logic goes against playing a game.
Isnt that how the majority of NTR games work its always a black guy either that or a fat white guy wheres my Dog/Horse NTR games even Futa NTR games get some chance to shine
Reviewing version 0.0.3
SUMMARY
Very promising! I really enjoyed playing this. This game is currently quite short, more a prologue than a game, but it has good renders and the writing is pretty solid. Willing to update this review and add stars as later versions address these concerns and there is more content to judge overall quality.
Heads up - while currently there is no NTR in the demo, from the description and some pics apparently found buried in the code it looks like there is unavoidable NTR in this game.
SPOILER/Plotline - Basically, what the story WILL BECOME (but is not currently) is the MC (brother) goes on a long vacation, Mom's new black boyfriend moves in, black boyfriend trains Mom and sisters to be sex slaves, then son returns and has to make choices about how to handle the new dynamic. If you don't like that, skip this. Personally, I think it sounds quite interesting.
THE GOOD
1. The renders are pretty solid. Not TOP top quality, but definitely fappable.
2. Writing is solid. Not the pinnacle of storytelling, but dialogue is hard and this is better than a lot of adult games.
3. Premise is quite interesting to me, rather novel approach to an old classic. MC isn't the trainer, but has to (hopefully) choose between wrestling control of the harem from Mom's black BF, freeing and restoring his loving family, or maybe negotiating for access to the harem, etc. So long as we ALSO get to see the training occur, I think this is quite a novel approach and should be applauded.
4. No bad animations. No animations at all, but that's fine so long as there are no bad animations.
THE BAD
Here are the reasons I opted for 3 stars instead of 5.
1. Loli tag with ability to re-age characters is great, but their boobs are WAYYY too big for the way they act, speak, look, the tag in general, etc. Like... not every woman has to have massive boobs to be attractive, and this is ESPECIALLY true if you want this game to include lolis. Dial it down to A-cups, ESPECIALLY for the youngest sister.
2. Does the bad guy have to be an old black dude? Honestly getting really tired of every bad guy being an old and/or ugly black dude. I'm not opposed to the "old/ugly dude pretty young girl" genre, and not opposed to black guys fucking white girls, but I am getting a little sick of every time an adult game needs an obvious villain it happens to be an old/ugly black dude.
3. Missing VN tag. This is clearly a visual novel that moves forward due to choices, not some sandbox monstrosity where you have to guess what time events happen or do any of that nonsense.
4. Younger sister in the PRE-sex slave period just... goes up and hugs her brother while absolutely naked? That realllllly doesn't make a ton of sense, even if she did have a crush on him. Have her wear a skimpy towel for that scene or something. It also makes the next scene, where the MC is cuddling and he loses control because her boobs are showing, not make any sense. I want nudity and sex, and I want it relatively quick since it's a porn game and I want to fap, but I also want corruption stories to build up to the corruption and not just... have the girl throw herself at you.
RECOMMENDATIONS
First, I know some of my suggestions would mean basically starting from scratch and re-rending everything, but I think it is early enough in the process that these suggestions are constructive and doable, rather than a pointless exercise of punishing someone's game for not perfectly matching my own preferences. That said...
Change the cup sizes. Seriously. If you don't want to loli, fine. Make that game. But if you DO want to loli, for the love of god don't make them C or D cups! Utterly breaks immersion, and corruption games and story/plot based games live and die via immersion. A cups MAX for the younger one. Look at Ada in Parental Love for example - better to match reality than to just... balloon up the ol' melons because you can.
Maybe not even A cups when the MC goes away, then she develops into A cups by the time he gets back? shrug. You get the idea.
Second, add a way to remove the textbox or adjust the textbox opacity. Easy fix to dramatically improve enjoyability for a wide array of players.
Third, don't have the younger sister be quite so... nudist friendly... at the start of the game. Honestly, even your twin sister should probably be slightly more modest pre-sex slave training (when not working out, when a sports bra or yoga gear makes sense). The mother pulling her hair shouldn't result in full unintentional boobage flashing at this preliminary stage. The goal is to show how different they are after the change, not start flashing right from the get-go. Leave the shower peeking as the only time you see her boobs pre-MC return.
Fourth, I think it would improve the story for the big bad guy to not be black. Frankly. the constant and vaguely racist overuse of black dudes as the sexual villain/rapist is waaay overdone, and cheapens your story. Like, white dudes can be shitty too? Or Hispanic? Or Asian? Just making it a normal looking dude, not especially old, not especially ugly, preferably not leaning into the "blacks are rapists" thing, would go a lot further.
That said, of all my recommendations this is the one I would consider the most "personal preference," and this is YOUR game. I am not trying to change that. If interracial really revs your engine and that's the game you want to make, fair enough. Not trying to make your game my game, but I do think it would improve the overall quality to avoid the "old/ugly black dude is the rapist/bad guy."
Fifth, add the VN tag. Further, then stick to it! No sandbox nonsense ruining what is an interesting story this is clearly tailor made to be a choose-your-own-adventure experience.
Sixth, multiple routes have a lot of promise here. I see three obvious potential paths, 1) take over the harem and kill/kick out Mom's BF and become the new slave master, 2) ally with Mom's BF and use his harem and join him in doling out punishments and rewards, and 3) the "white knight" path where MC tries to undo the damage that has been done to his family and ends up with a romantic relationship with some/all of the family as the player chooses.
Lean in to allowing players to be the bad guy as a potential viable path, or even multiple possible dark paths. Maybe MC becomes even more tyrannical than Mom's BF when he gets the opportunity? Maybe one possible darker route is forcing his sisters to bring friends over for corrupting once he is in charge, so you can witness the MC try to replicate what his Mom's boyfriend pulled off? Lotta options here for good, bad, and badder paths, and I think what will set this game apart is leaning into that. Blackheart Games is a good example of this being successfully done.
Seventh, I ABSOLUTELY want to see the corruption process take place when the MC leaves! Now, how exactly you want to do that has a lot of possible options.
Honestly, I think it would be best done as a companion kinetic novel or even a full companion game, ideally completed before this one is worked on, so you know exactly how the girls were turned into sex slaves so you can reference specific events/methods when you get back to the MC of this game.
Maybe the player knowing how they were trained thanks to playing your other game first gives clues the MC can use in this game about what are the best choices to make?
Alternatively, you could have an option to watch the corruption happen in-game when MC leaves (optional for the MTR haters lol) and keep it chronological.
Another possible way would be to do flashbacks, either built into the game going forward or as unlockable gallery rewards separate from the game proper.
Personally, I truly think the concept of MC coming back and having to react is great, but corruption stories really shine when they show the process of girls being corrupted, not just the result of girls being corrupted.
Delaying this to build out a companion game first seems ideal, as it will give you the time to fully bring to life the "Mom's BF moves in and over a month or 3 turns these innocents into degenerate sluts" story, which is lurking potently under this one and is worth telling in and off itself.
HOW does he get enough influence over the mother that she is willing to allow this to continue? Or does she not even know it happened and is unaware her girls are sex slaves? If so, how does he pervert them without them telling on him? Does he threaten the older one into submission with threats against the younger one's safety? Does he outright imprison their mom in the basement and the girls are roped into this to "keep their mom safe?" So many ways this could work, and it's a story that really needs to be told to make this story's premise truly pop.
Eighth, I applaud you avoiding animations if animations aren't your thing. Bad animation, especially unskippable bad animation, is so much worse than no animation at all. Simply relying on the good renders and the story to make it fappable is a solid approach if animations aren't your thing, but try to increase the number of renders text. The best non-animation porn games have constant and subtle shifts in expression, stance, etc. It's clear you are coming from comic books, where there is less of that.
Ninth, your description really needs work. Do you see how my spoiler/plotline immediately told players exactly what they needed to know? I understand every game designer really wants to be "mysterious" and cryptic and have players explore and fall in love with the game as they go, but this is porn baby! People have distinct preferences, and they want to know going in if they will be getting them or not. Unless you are writing a mystery based game, please just make the description something everyone instantly understands so they can make a good initial determination as to whether this is worth playing. Cannot tell you how many times I say some description that was vague to the point of uselessness and just didn't bother downloading.
Also, make it clear which tags are avoidable and which are unavoidable in the description. If you end up with some tags like NTR or male domination or female domination, explain in the description exactly what the circumstances are. For example, "Fem dom is women dominating women only, and doing so alongside men who are also dominating women, and is never women dominating men," or "NTR scenes are technically always avoidable, but the whole premise of the game is hinged around it occurring offscreen and effectively unavoidable." Etc. The description of your game and your more controversial tags shouldn't be coy, it should be informative.
Overall, great job! I look forward to more iterations of this, or even better the companion kinetic novel of a non-black dude moving in and taking over lol. I gave three stars mostly due to the loli boob issue and the immersion issues generally in a story based game. I will post this in the chat as well, so hopefully people will comment and add or subtract from my critique.
EDIT - Edited to add that while I didn't initially see the possibility of this being a game whose focus is the MC being humiliated in his own home, another review pointed that out as what they think will happen and I can see that as a possibility.
That is another thing that the description REALLY needs to make clear, as the presence of the "humiliation" tag is not normally read to mean humiliation of the MC, and players (myself included!) will ABSOLUTELY want to know upfront if that is a major theme or a major focus. Now, personally, I could live with a little of that in the early stages when the MC returns while he is figuring out his plan to takeover or enslave another girl to get access to this harem with Mom's BF or whatever, sort of like the excellent game The Fosters, but ultimately I only really want the women to be systemically humiliated.
Alternatively, that could be one of the possible paths - one path choice is just the MC lurking in the shadows and jerking off and never actually getting involved, voyeur cuck style, another path being forced by Mom's BF to watch as said BF fucks all the women, classic cuck style, etc. But please for the love of all that is unholy don't go down that path as unavoidable or as the first path rendered or the primary path, and if you do make it VERY clear in the description lol.
SUMMARY
Very promising! I really enjoyed playing this. This game is currently quite short, more a prologue than a game, but it has good renders and the writing is pretty solid. Willing to update this review and add stars as later versions address these concerns and there is more content to judge overall quality.
Heads up - while currently there is no NTR in the demo, from the description and some pics apparently found buried in the code it looks like there is unavoidable NTR in this game.
SPOILER/Plotline - Basically, what the story WILL BECOME (but is not currently) is the MC (brother) goes on a long vacation, Mom's new black boyfriend moves in, black boyfriend trains Mom and sisters to be sex slaves, then son returns and has to make choices about how to handle the new dynamic. If you don't like that, skip this. Personally, I think it sounds quite interesting.
THE GOOD
1. The renders are pretty solid. Not TOP top quality, but definitely fappable.
2. Writing is solid. Not the pinnacle of storytelling, but dialogue is hard and this is better than a lot of adult games.
3. Premise is quite interesting to me, rather novel approach to an old classic. MC isn't the trainer, but has to (hopefully) choose between wrestling control of the harem from Mom's black BF, freeing and restoring his loving family, or maybe negotiating for access to the harem, etc. So long as we ALSO get to see the training occur, I think this is quite a novel approach and should be applauded.
4. No bad animations. No animations at all, but that's fine so long as there are no bad animations.
THE BAD
Here are the reasons I opted for 3 stars instead of 5.
1. Loli tag with ability to re-age characters is great, but their boobs are WAYYY too big for the way they act, speak, look, the tag in general, etc. Like... not every woman has to have massive boobs to be attractive, and this is ESPECIALLY true if you want this game to include lolis. Dial it down to A-cups, ESPECIALLY for the youngest sister.
2. Does the bad guy have to be an old black dude? Honestly getting really tired of every bad guy being an old and/or ugly black dude. I'm not opposed to the "old/ugly dude pretty young girl" genre, and not opposed to black guys fucking white girls, but I am getting a little sick of every time an adult game needs an obvious villain it happens to be an old/ugly black dude.
3. Missing VN tag. This is clearly a visual novel that moves forward due to choices, not some sandbox monstrosity where you have to guess what time events happen or do any of that nonsense.
4. Younger sister in the PRE-sex slave period just... goes up and hugs her brother while absolutely naked? That realllllly doesn't make a ton of sense, even if she did have a crush on him. Have her wear a skimpy towel for that scene or something. It also makes the next scene, where the MC is cuddling and he loses control because her boobs are showing, not make any sense. I want nudity and sex, and I want it relatively quick since it's a porn game and I want to fap, but I also want corruption stories to build up to the corruption and not just... have the girl throw herself at you.
RECOMMENDATIONS
First, I know some of my suggestions would mean basically starting from scratch and re-rending everything, but I think it is early enough in the process that these suggestions are constructive and doable, rather than a pointless exercise of punishing someone's game for not perfectly matching my own preferences. That said...
Change the cup sizes. Seriously. If you don't want to loli, fine. Make that game. But if you DO want to loli, for the love of god don't make them C or D cups! Utterly breaks immersion, and corruption games and story/plot based games live and die via immersion. A cups MAX for the younger one. Look at Ada in Parental Love for example - better to match reality than to just... balloon up the ol' melons because you can.
Maybe not even A cups when the MC goes away, then she develops into A cups by the time he gets back? shrug. You get the idea.
Second, add a way to remove the textbox or adjust the textbox opacity. Easy fix to dramatically improve enjoyability for a wide array of players.
Third, don't have the younger sister be quite so... nudist friendly... at the start of the game. Honestly, even your twin sister should probably be slightly more modest pre-sex slave training (when not working out, when a sports bra or yoga gear makes sense). The mother pulling her hair shouldn't result in full unintentional boobage flashing at this preliminary stage. The goal is to show how different they are after the change, not start flashing right from the get-go. Leave the shower peeking as the only time you see her boobs pre-MC return.
Fourth, I think it would improve the story for the big bad guy to not be black. Frankly. the constant and vaguely racist overuse of black dudes as the sexual villain/rapist is waaay overdone, and cheapens your story. Like, white dudes can be shitty too? Or Hispanic? Or Asian? Just making it a normal looking dude, not especially old, not especially ugly, preferably not leaning into the "blacks are rapists" thing, would go a lot further.
That said, of all my recommendations this is the one I would consider the most "personal preference," and this is YOUR game. I am not trying to change that. If interracial really revs your engine and that's the game you want to make, fair enough. Not trying to make your game my game, but I do think it would improve the overall quality to avoid the "old/ugly black dude is the rapist/bad guy."
Fifth, add the VN tag. Further, then stick to it! No sandbox nonsense ruining what is an interesting story this is clearly tailor made to be a choose-your-own-adventure experience.
Sixth, multiple routes have a lot of promise here. I see three obvious potential paths, 1) take over the harem and kill/kick out Mom's BF and become the new slave master, 2) ally with Mom's BF and use his harem and join him in doling out punishments and rewards, and 3) the "white knight" path where MC tries to undo the damage that has been done to his family and ends up with a romantic relationship with some/all of the family as the player chooses.
Lean in to allowing players to be the bad guy as a potential viable path, or even multiple possible dark paths. Maybe MC becomes even more tyrannical than Mom's BF when he gets the opportunity? Maybe one possible darker route is forcing his sisters to bring friends over for corrupting once he is in charge, so you can witness the MC try to replicate what his Mom's boyfriend pulled off? Lotta options here for good, bad, and badder paths, and I think what will set this game apart is leaning into that. Blackheart Games is a good example of this being successfully done.
Seventh, I ABSOLUTELY want to see the corruption process take place when the MC leaves! Now, how exactly you want to do that has a lot of possible options.
Honestly, I think it would be best done as a companion kinetic novel or even a full companion game, ideally completed before this one is worked on, so you know exactly how the girls were turned into sex slaves so you can reference specific events/methods when you get back to the MC of this game.
Maybe the player knowing how they were trained thanks to playing your other game first gives clues the MC can use in this game about what are the best choices to make?
Alternatively, you could have an option to watch the corruption happen in-game when MC leaves (optional for the MTR haters lol) and keep it chronological.
Another possible way would be to do flashbacks, either built into the game going forward or as unlockable gallery rewards separate from the game proper.
Personally, I truly think the concept of MC coming back and having to react is great, but corruption stories really shine when they show the process of girls being corrupted, not just the result of girls being corrupted.
Delaying this to build out a companion game first seems ideal, as it will give you the time to fully bring to life the "Mom's BF moves in and over a month or 3 turns these innocents into degenerate sluts" story, which is lurking potently under this one and is worth telling in and off itself.
HOW does he get enough influence over the mother that she is willing to allow this to continue? Or does she not even know it happened and is unaware her girls are sex slaves? If so, how does he pervert them without them telling on him? Does he threaten the older one into submission with threats against the younger one's safety? Does he outright imprison their mom in the basement and the girls are roped into this to "keep their mom safe?" So many ways this could work, and it's a story that really needs to be told to make this story's premise truly pop.
Eighth, I applaud you avoiding animations if animations aren't your thing. Bad animation, especially unskippable bad animation, is so much worse than no animation at all. Simply relying on the good renders and the story to make it fappable is a solid approach if animations aren't your thing, but try to increase the number of renders text. The best non-animation porn games have constant and subtle shifts in expression, stance, etc. It's clear you are coming from comic books, where there is less of that.
Ninth, your description really needs work. Do you see how my spoiler/plotline immediately told players exactly what they needed to know? I understand every game designer really wants to be "mysterious" and cryptic and have players explore and fall in love with the game as they go, but this is porn baby! People have distinct preferences, and they want to know going in if they will be getting them or not. Unless you are writing a mystery based game, please just make the description something everyone instantly understands so they can make a good initial determination as to whether this is worth playing. Cannot tell you how many times I say some description that was vague to the point of uselessness and just didn't bother downloading.
Also, make it clear which tags are avoidable and which are unavoidable in the description. If you end up with some tags like NTR or male domination or female domination, explain in the description exactly what the circumstances are. For example, "Fem dom is women dominating women only, and doing so alongside men who are also dominating women, and is never women dominating men," or "NTR scenes are technically always avoidable, but the whole premise of the game is hinged around it occurring offscreen and effectively unavoidable." Etc. The description of your game and your more controversial tags shouldn't be coy, it should be informative.
Overall, great job! I look forward to more iterations of this, or even better the companion kinetic novel of a non-black dude moving in and taking over lol. I gave three stars mostly due to the loli boob issue and the immersion issues generally in a story based game. I will post this in the chat as well, so hopefully people will comment and add or subtract from my critique.
EDIT - Edited to add that while I didn't initially see the possibility of this being a game whose focus is the MC being humiliated in his own home, another review pointed that out as what they think will happen and I can see that as a possibility.
That is another thing that the description REALLY needs to make clear, as the presence of the "humiliation" tag is not normally read to mean humiliation of the MC, and players (myself included!) will ABSOLUTELY want to know upfront if that is a major theme or a major focus. Now, personally, I could live with a little of that in the early stages when the MC returns while he is figuring out his plan to takeover or enslave another girl to get access to this harem with Mom's BF or whatever, sort of like the excellent game The Fosters, but ultimately I only really want the women to be systemically humiliated.
Alternatively, that could be one of the possible paths - one path choice is just the MC lurking in the shadows and jerking off and never actually getting involved, voyeur cuck style, another path being forced by Mom's BF to watch as said BF fucks all the women, classic cuck style, etc. But please for the love of all that is unholy don't go down that path as unavoidable or as the first path rendered or the primary path, and if you do make it VERY clear in the description lol.
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yup, that is the majority of cheat/NTR games. I think some black guys started it to get revenge on all the shit white dudes have done for a couple of centuries, and fucking laughing their heads off at the "In thing now." Just the same as the Native Indians giving us Tobacco...laugh now whitey, ..after you stop coughing."Wonder if the dev will stick it out more then the first game they abandoned"
Oh Wow that first sentence pretty much kills any hype for the game if its true that they made a game before this kinda bummer I mean I like the models and the art style the only reason why Im not trying out immediately is well I dont play games to lose because that logic goes against playing a game.
Isnt that how the majority of NTR games work its always a black guy either that or a fat white guy wheres my Dog/Horse NTR games even Futa NTR games get some chance to shine
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Yea thats not a thing bro, some black men just like white women. The whole "revenge" angle was started by some racists somewhere like the "they took our jobs" bit from south park. I'm not sure how it ended up being "angry black guy fucking MCs gf/mom/sis/whoever else"
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That's literally the opposite of the truth. It's always the boring milf that gets the most content. The biggest reason I hate Big Brother and all the rip off remakes is that they literally never focus on the sisters, the younger one especially. Every game on this site is some iteration of a milf game, it's done to fucking death.
crap...about 15 seconds worth of content
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The reason it's "done to death" is because it's in such high demand, which is why devs tend to tease the milf's content as much as possible. I'd guess the sister stuff isn't as popular or it's just not something they go crazy enough for, that the devs can exploit as much.
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Sure I get it, I guess that is the thing, never bothered me before, but now the angry eyebrowed rapey domineering asshole black guy is used constantly in these games. Dev writing skills are shit I guess. Every nerd girl has to be a freckle faced redhead with glasses and all goth girls are called Erika.
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Enjoyed the premise/beta got me super hyped, but as many has stated, if 2 months of waiting equates to only 15-30 seconds of content then, as good as the ntr content might be, this feels like another moo moo milker. I'd much rather play the vn over reading a few pages of comic art. At this rate, either the dev will grow bored unless the money keeps flowing or the subs will dwindle. Then again, -loli- anything will get a certain fangroup juices flowing and most will blindly throw their money out, just look at radiant and that one other loli vn that is no longer here anymore. Anyway, I'm just a none subber so I'll shut up, see you in a year.
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Pretty good update, very short though,
the huge patreon/ substar push and tease makes me a bit worried,
I hope this isn't just a get rich quick scheme that will fail and never get made.
please don't let the comics and other things slow down this great game.
the huge patreon/ substar push and tease makes me a bit worried,
I hope this isn't just a get rich quick scheme that will fail and never get made.
please don't let the comics and other things slow down this great game.
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Can't say there aren't people like that, but that seems more like it was something propagated by people like hollywood writers and such, as that's their view of how white men think.
SayWhatProductions, really nice work, Characters look good and I like the style of the game, I'm not really an NTR fan but I was still ready to fund this game but I was hoping to have an ending where you could get the "boyfriend" out of the picture. But since the you said there would be no happy ending I don't think we'll see such an ending. So I still wish you good luck with the developpement.