action speak louder than words. if you don't get that then you are in the same category as vivian
, i mean just one image to the many lies she tells herself to justify what she did. the cheater wouldn't have gone into the bedroom with the boss ignoring her husband. the cheater wouldn't have continued to lie to her husband after her husband clearly tells her he didn't sleep the night she had fuck fest with the boss. a cheater wouldn't have acted like a lover with the boss in the bathroom and tells her lover that she will convince her husband to let her go even when she cannot control herself from having sex.
as some of you here have been saying nyphomaniac ....either you dont read of assume what you want that term to mean.
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. clearly seems like you all are ganging up on black's views and saying you are wrong from how i see it and saying its a game and appears to me most of you are using the same logic you are critiquing other about.
ps: black you are entitled to you views. don't let anyone else say otherwise. they are also assuming what they want to believe just like the rest of us in this thread.
None of that points to her being a serial cheater, or even having once cheated in the past though.
As for the nymphomania stuff, it's just not consistent with what we've seen. A nymphomaniac has a high desire for sex, usually with multiple different partners. She wants it all the time, and she actively tries to get it. What we see here is someone who initially has the equivalent of a one-night stand - she meets Christian for the first time, he takes her home (sort of...) and they have sex, which regardless of how you see the evening playing out, she is reluctant about. That they have sex multiple times that night does not qualify her as a nymphomaniac (if anything, it would actually point to Christian being one, given his actions). They then meet up again and have sex once more (just once, this time) a few days later.
If Vivian was a nymphomaniac, she would have been jumping on Christian, instead of just reluctantly allowing it to happen. She'd have been the one instigating it. She (probably) wouldn't have been crying about it in the shower the next morning, she'd (probably) have been rubbing one out, or trying to get more. She would have at least flirted with the mechanic, if not actually tried to jump him, she maybe would have at least tried to invite Rupert in, especially knowing that her house was likely to have been empty at the time. The twins and Marcel you can't include at this point because of opportunity (being in school, and being around Sawyer), but if circumstances were different, a nymphomaniac would have likely jumped on them as well.
There's a big difference between a nymphomaniac and just someone who likes sex, or even has a high sex drive.
Yes, she regretted afterwards. But I still think she could tell this to herself every time she cheats and with different partners. Thus, I don't think this particular dialogue contradicts the idea that she is a cheater.
I understand that there is no concrete evidence that she has already cheated, but as I pointed out earlier, the way she interacted with other characters (mechanic and basketball player) that indicate this as possibility. Finally, portraying her as a cheater would make the story more close a real one, at least this is my interpretation.
I try to see both sides of things, but I admit that I don't get this argument at all. The
absence of any evidence (not even concrete evidence) of cheating is
all we have, there's nothing on the other side of the coin that points to Vivian having done it in the past. The possibility that something could have happened doesn't mean anything. There's a possibility that Vivian was born Victor and had a sex change, or at least there's no concrete evidence that that wasn't the case...
Marcel is a student who appears to have a crush on Vivian, and she is being polite and smiling at him. I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call it flirting, it's just being a nice person (hell, it's even possible that she is blind enough to it that she doesn't realise he has a crush on her). The mechanic is a bit like Christian (in her first meeting with him) in that he is being very forward and has a physical presence that he's pretty much putting into her personal space. I'd have to place it again, but I don't recall her being forward with him, she is a bit taken aback as far as I recall, and shocked at what she can see because she wouldn't expect to see someone poking out of his shorts in that scenario.
I personally think portraying Vivian as a cheater in the past would make the story
less real, since then there wouldn't really be any of the corruption that is quite obvious here. There wouldn't be the internal conflict that drives several of the scenes, it would solely be about trying to hide it from Hutch. If you think that's all there is, that she's cheated before and this is just another notch on the bedpost for her to keep secret, then it's like you and I are playing two different games!
It's a porn game after all...left, right, back and forth is a common procedure!
...BUT if you followed the events closely as you said, then tell me with whom other than Christian Vivian fucked when saying 'continue to fuck everyone'?
You sound like someone else in this thread, someone who loves to hear or can't even hear themselves talking a lot of bs.
Hutch didn't allowed Vivian to only have her go with Christian!
Hutch stated that Vivian is a big girl and she should let her worry about herself when Christian behaves inappropriate again! -this is the freepass Hutch gives Vivian for Christian-
In generel he, Hutch declares their relationship (Hutch's & Vivian's) to be unconventional. -this is a generel freepass; he doesn't want to know any details-
I still think Hutch made a mistake that he didn't realise, here. I don't think he intentionally opened up the marriage in the way most of us would take that comment. I think he specifically refers to Christian, and Christian alone (because why would he think that Vivian would suddenly need or want to go finding lots of strange cock elsewhere?).
Although I still think there's a good chance that Christian will be the only partner for Vivian during the game, in a scenario where she does have sex with others (be it the mechanic, any of the students, or someone we've not yet met), I think she would do so with the understanding that Hutch allowed it by opening the marriage, but from Hutch's side it would be a betrayal because he didn't mean for her to have other partners, just Christian.
