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not the dress but the box that it came in... its supposed to be under the bed on the side where hutch sleeps. and since this tought came up my theory of the man with the cigarette changed to hutch....and a possible flashback or info drop of how hutch and vivian got together.
I think that it means if the missing box is significant that Hutch knows that Christian sent her the dress before the dinner and was yet another thing that Vivian hasn't told him about.
 

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And what theory would that be?
my nightmare theory is humanising christian... as the way he talks to hutch about love and struggles and such....and i have said in a previous post that there quite a few instance in the game where vivian behaviour is that of a girl in love when she is interacting with christian. 2 instances come to mind one is her reaction animation of the orgasm and the lead up to it where she is cooperating with christian and not repulse by what she is doing. and the 2nd one is the argument in the carpark where she just scumbs at christians touch and almost forgets what she was angry about. and thats what hit me hard... as a reader....but then rememberd pgl. so my theory in conclusion which is a nightmare theory for me is vivian ends up with christian at the end of the game. and hutch becomes the bad guy.
 
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)Don't forget that sharing is also included in Ntr. And he's going to get drunk while driving, just in case. And in vain NTR can still have a happy ending. And MC will be happy because you are playing
there are a few variants of ntr i know that but those variants are not that prominent is western story tellling.so hoping.
 

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The DEV kinda changed how things are perceived now. We started Cheating which would be Netorare which would guarantee a bad ending then it was changed to Netorase don't know what it is their doing if Hutch is not fucking her is it sharing.
 
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DEV seems to want do something different. Can't do something like this if the antagonist is the same as all others. He needs to be different.
 

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I think that it means if the missing box is significant that Hutch knows that Christian sent her the dress before the dinner and was yet another thing that Vivian hasn't told him about.
yes thats the thing... the dev keeps proping up that christian is the alpha and hutch the beta .... but in accordance to pgl how can hutch get vivian .... so there might be a story there.
 

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The DEV kinda changed how things are perceived now. We started Cheating which would be Netorare which would guarantee a bad ending then it was changed to Netorase don't know what it is their doing if Hutch is not fucking her is it sharing.
when did it change the tag to netorase?
 

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DEV seems to want do something different. Can't do something like this if the antagonist is the same as all others. He needs to be different.
thats the thing with this vn the more you play it the more amzing the devs talent is i feel. and he did say that he did it alone... so even more impresed by that work.
 
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I think we are going to experience a very very bad ending, I think is going to Schock all of us.
once we get the 3rd update think we will mostly figure out how the vn will end since the dev said they are doing the updates in 20% increments.
 

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)Vivien nemcsak Christiannal fog szexelni, hanem mindenkivel, akivel üzletel. Ha megnézi a 2 frissítést, tudni fogja, mire számíthat a következő frissítésben. És itt Vivien tudja, hogy Christiannak nincs szüksége rá csak az üzlet miatt. Szerintem Mc nagyobb Alfa lesz, mint Christian.
that is my nightmare theory .... as i have written... mc becomes the alpha and the bad guy and christian become the comfort for vivian.
 

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)Christian nem lesz a vigasztaló, ez a pár most fedezi fel új szexuális életét, és van egy gyanúm, hogy Christian szakmailag és érzelmileg is tönkremegy. Mc miatt Mc megszerzi Meddisont is Christiantól
thats one ending i would like to see in this novel. but it will change the theme to happy harem ending which this vn is not. the dev specifically stated at the start of the vn.
 
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One of the things that strongly makes me want to dislike Vivian's character is the way she interacts with Christian in non-sexual scenes. She is instantly familiar with him, telling him intimate details of her sex life with Hutch immediately upon their first phone conversation. You would think that Christian would be viewed by her as the primary source of her problems. But she talks to him as if he is an ally in what she seems to think her problem is, namely her communication and relationship with Hutch. And she trusts Christian's opinion on what needs to be done rather than her husband's.

Granted, Hutch doesn't seem to be very long on advice in this story so far so I'd say there's room for some forgiveness there.

I suppose a lot of that could be chalked up to the idea that she doesn't really know what her problem is and these new physical urges are clouding her thoughts too much. Assuming of course that these urges are NEW.

There's still room for redemption for Vivian, depending on what the updates reveal. But watching her try to reassure Hutch multiple times that she is there to listen to him, when almost the entire issue of the tension of the story is a result of things she hasn't told him, kind of makes me feel she deserves whatever's coming.

So for now when I re-watch the scene in the kitchen where Christian teaches her how to deepthroat, I'm not really feeling any pangs of sympathy for her.

Plenty of other pangs though...
 

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One of the things that strongly makes me want to dislike Vivian's character is the way she interacts with Christian in non-sexual scenes. She is instantly familiar with him, telling him intimate details of her sex life with Hutch immediately upon their first phone conversation. You would think that Christian would be viewed by her as the primary source of her problems. But she talks to him as if he is an ally in what she seems to think her problem is, namely her communication and relationship with Hutch. And she trusts Christian's opinion on what needs to be done rather than her husband's.

Granted, Hutch doesn't seem to be very long on advice in this story so far so I'd say there's room for some forgiveness there.

I suppose a lot of that could be chalked up to the idea that she doesn't really know what her problem is and these new physical urges are clouding her thoughts too much. Assuming of course that these urges are NEW.

There's still room for redemption for Vivian, depending on what the updates reveal. But watching her try to reassure Hutch multiple times that she is there to listen to him, when almost the entire issue of the tension of the story is a result of things she hasn't told him, kind of makes me feel she deserves whatever's coming.

So for now when I re-watch the scene in the kitchen where Christian teaches her how to deepthroat, I'm not really feeling any pangs of sympathy for her.

Plenty of other pangs though...













you're right brother, everything is perfect, Vivian is a very bad character, Christian and Hutch are nicer than her, my favorite ending, Hutch with Addison, Christian who finds himself a new sex toy, but seeing Vivian left alone is my real pleasure.
 
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