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I am not sure where you are getting that I missed the second half of the conversation. I also am familiar with the conversations in the car park. Also, I am completely aware that both men know the meaning of the subtexts in their conversation. Christian was telling Hutch, I know that you know I fucked your wife. He is rubbing his face in it. Christian is mocking him when he says, "Something happened between your wife and I last night." and "Don't be surprised when I steal your wife from you." He is mocking Hutch, and Hutch knows he is mocking him. Hutch knows that Christian is telling him that Vivian fucked him because she was looking out for Hutch, and that he should forgive her because of that. Hutch knows that Christian is telling him that he is being a good husband by letting Vivian keep fucking him. I understand the dynamics between the characters, and my previous comments show this. Hutch is weak. Christian is toying with him. He is toying with them both. If you think I don't understand what is going on in these conversations, maybe you should look at what I wrote previously, including comments I made to you. As far as subtext is concerned, I was one of the first persons to call it subtext as opposed to code. Code is fine, I just referred to it as subtext because that is usually how that type of code is referred to in literature.
since you didnt talk about the carpark thought you missed it....well my mistake... yeah seems like we both got it right but my misunderstanding was the since you didnt talk about the carpark thought you missed it. i think that these conversation are one part of christian manipulating hutch. the other part being chrisitan and vivians conversations.

ps:all good since you know what i was talking about.
 
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Go team snarky secretary.... hit a like for team addison x hutch. the best we can hope for is a relation developing between hutch and addison in the epilogue. we already know addison is ready to go with all the way but hutch being a gentle-man unlike his spouse abstains from temptation.
I see I'm not alone on the Addison team! I agree, so far she seems to be the best way out for Hutch. As long as nothing unusual happens, of course.
So far, she seems to really care for Hutch. Though it's not clear if as a friend... Although this little conversation makes me think that maybe she thinks of him as more than just a friend...

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t's an interesting game by today's standards, but i dunno if i can keep going. In this types of vns without choices i need at least one charachter i can cheer relate to? You get me?. And i just finished the first night and i already hate all three of them lol. But i will see if i can push through it.
most of the posters in this thread hate atleast 2 characters or sometimes 3 so maybe once you have finished the kn give the thread a read.
Well said :)


go team snarky secretary.... hit a like for team addison x hutch. the best we can hope for is a relation developing between hutch and addison in the epilogue. we already know addison is ready to go with all the way but hutch being a gentle-man unlike his spouse abstains from temptation.
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I see I'm not alone on the Addison team! I agree, so far she seems to be the best way out for Hutch. As long as nothing unusual happens, of course.
So far, she seems to really care for Hutch. Though it's not clear if as a friend... Although this little conversation makes me think that maybe she thinks of him as more than just a friend...

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that's the best of the worst in this kn... there are other theories as well involving addison. don't recall who wrote about that but its in this thread. she is the only one hutch side, so far in the kn.some will say vivian is a doting wife sufferening from carrying the burden but they also support vivian ending up on the streets. addison so far is a mystery as very little is shown... and from the script file that the readers have checked there are no other (female) characters related to the story. and if you recall the christian vivian talk at 2nd or 3rd night there is a woman next to christian... she is most probably addison is one theory. so don't get your hopes up until the 3rd update.
 

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that's the best of the worst in this kn... there are other theories as well involving addison. don't recall who wrote about that but its in this thread. she is the only one hutch side, so far in the kn.some will say vivian is a doting wife sufferening from carrying the burden but they also support vivian ending up on the streets. addison so far is a mystery as very little is shown... and from the script file that the readers have checked there are no other (female) characters related to the story. and if you recall the christian vivian talk at 2nd or 3rd night there is a woman next to christian... she is most probably addison is one theory. so don't get your hopes up until the 3rd update.
Isn't Addison his niece?
 

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Isn't Addison his niece?
christian is a manipulator and a liar we know that for a fact... so it might just be a lie for him to keep the staff from going after her as hutch talks about his coworkers and his boss at the start of the vn. and that way addison might know what hutch is going through and help hutch in some way in the future. since the first meeting between vivian and addison is clearly hostile... but fun to read,
 
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I see I'm not alone on the Addison team! I agree, so far she seems to be the best way out for Hutch. As long as nothing unusual happens, of course.
So far, she seems to really care for Hutch. Though it's not clear if as a friend... Although this little conversation makes me think that maybe she thinks of him as more than just a friend...

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New perspective could be drawn from this quotes...
1.Hutch is banging Adisson.
2.Cristian found out
3. He sets him up to fire him
4. Hot wife shows as a bonus
 
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Hutch knows that Christian is telling him that he is being a good husband by letting Vivian keep fucking him. I understand the dynamics between the characters, and my previous comments show this. Hutch is weak. Christian is toying with him.
The "subtext" in the conversations between Hutch and Christian is clearly the voice of mainstream society speaking. And because of that it is so convincing and successful with Hutch. It is not some sinister genius coming up with something original but the usual tropes in store for a betrayed husband ("man up" by swallowing it). The problem for Hutch (not being discussed enough sofar, but a lost the middle weeks of discussion here, so I'm not sure) is, that there is no accepted script for him (who is of course a weak character who would need such a script because he can't come up with one himself) anymore of how to act in this moment. Of course it is easy for us as someone said above to be sure to have landed in prison or hospital. I'm not so sure. First thing we are all totally conditioned to avoid even the slightest bit of bodily harm and violence at any cost. Males legitimately enraged because of betrayel, the righeous anger of a newly cucked - this is not a thing anymore in mainstream movies or novels let alone society (don't want to get into judicial matters). Point is: the framing Christian offers is the one that is seductively in tune with what is expected from a civilized loving tolerant husband and, what is more important, it offers the easy well adjusted way for Hutch in this context as disgusting as it does appear to us who are in the voyeur's seat. Hutch, reacting on his authentic impulse would have needed to exit not only marriage and job but also the hive mind of current society including that of his male colleagues who are sitting there like malicious idiots who belittle him but would have acted the same, they are just happy they weren't targeted this time.
 
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I am hoping for much the same as you. I feel that corrupting Vivian to the point of her not having any inner struggle about it, to where her focus becomes entirely hedonistic and her legs will open for just about anyone, would cheapen the foundation of the story as it currently stands.
1. I'm of the same opinion (although reluctantly because it would mean a waiver of hot scenes). But it's interesting to see why people would hope that or the other. I think there is a moral economy behind it, it's not just for the sake of a good story. I would guess some people would find it degrading to the character and a sort of harsh condemnation-like punishment for something which should be seen with more understanding. And others a wanting it for that exact reason: the wife has clearly entered this route out of free will and she has to savor the consequences up to the last drop so to speak as kind of higher justice. She lands in the position she deserves. I myself would very much like her to get what she deserves BUT in a more interesting and original way, not just this "for the streets" trope.
2. But I'm also strongly against a redemption arc. I think it would degrade the story exactly the same. It would be cheap and implausible. There has to be a third way
 
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First thing we are all totally conditioned to avoid even the slightest bit of bodily harm and violence at any cost. Males legitimately enraged because of betrayel, the righeous anger of a newly cucked - this is not a thing anymore in mainstream movies or novels let alone society (don't want to get into judicial matters). Point is: the framing Christian offers is the one that is seductively in tune with what is expected from a civilized loving tolerant husband and, what is more important, it offers the easy well adjusted way for Hutch in this context as disgusting as it does appear to us who are in the voyeur's seat.
i dunno something about this train of thought is ... not getting the right term for it... leaving a bad taste... dunno.... something about this reasoning feels off to me. not just how men are conditioned to avoid harm or how the current society is encouraging such behaviour. can't pinpoint .... maybe ill get back to this later on when i understand myself what is wrong from my viewpoint.
 

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not just how men are conditioned to avoid harm
I thought this would be the most accepted thing to say in the world - and it's good that it is so in most cases a would think. It's part of education and civil society. Violent reactions are banned and condemned, more than at any point in our history, and rightly so.

And "leaving a bad taste" - yes, it is with me, too. But isn't it more important if it is true or not?
 
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Options for Hutch (or betrayed husband in general) in the order of conventional societal expectation/acceptance
1. 100 years ago: 1. violence 2. exit (would already have been seen as a bit of cowardice and as an overall failure) 3. accpetance (not possible, not accepted, basically no real option)
2. today: 1. exit (realistically what most would have done I like to think) 2. acceptance (today the easy way externally. more or less long term, depends on the circumstances and on how many people know etc.) 3. violence (not accepted anymore not only legally but also more and more socially. and furthermore if he lost that bodily fight with the boss he additionaly would have been severely mocked. This option has only costs and almost no benefits today apart from acting out rage in the moment and he feeling, that you owe this to yourself, but the costs are overwhelming. You are out on your own)
 
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I managed to get my hands on the original draft of the game, but it was much shorter, so I'm happy that SC Stories scrapped it in favour of extending the story. Here's the "alternate" sequence of events from where Hutch was given his "homework" task at Christian's house:
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I managed to get my hands on the original draft of the game, but it was much shorter, so I'm happy that SC Stories scrapped it in favour of extending the story. Here's the "alternate" sequence of events from where Hutch was given his "homework" task at Christian's house:
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Just in case I need to say it, yes, this is a joke...
This is honestly how the game would have gone if some people here had gotten their way. It's a good job that it's kinetic for this very reason or it would have been a rather premature end to the game.
I for one want to see how far this is going to go, how much Hutch is willing to put up with, how far will Vivian go with this "project" and plenty of Christian fucking Vivian simply because it's hot. :ROFLMAO:
 
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I managed to get my hands on the original draft of the game, but it was much shorter, so I'm happy that SC Stories scrapped it in favour of extending the story. Here's the "alternate" sequence of events from where Hutch was given his "homework" task at Christian's house:
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won't front it would have of been a great scene for a what if segment.
 

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I managed to get my hands on the original draft of the game, but it was much shorter, so I'm happy that SC Stories scrapped it in favour of extending the story. Here's the "alternate" sequence of events from where Hutch was given his "homework" task at Christian's house:
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Just in case I need to say it, yes, this is a joke...
Oh, I really like that squence. Much, much better than what we see in the current version. Pity it got changed.
 

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I managed to get my hands on the original draft of the game, but it was much shorter, so I'm happy that SC Stories scrapped it in favour of extending the story. Here's the "alternate" sequence of events from where Hutch was given his "homework" task at Christian's house:
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Just in case I need to say it, yes, this is a joke...
Ngl you got me in the first half.

That said, this is prolly how it would have ended in a non-NTR game. The MC either leaves or causes a scene. Leaving makes sense since Hutch is a weak man. Btw, seeing those screenshots made me remember how fking hot the game is. The dinner scene is peak.
 
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Na... this is much better ! This version has mystery and an open plot where we do not know where it is going. The other being shorter is (seems) very predictable. Currently Love, Deceit and Mystery is what makes the VN great..
 
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I see I'm not alone on the Addison team! I agree, so far she seems to be the best way out for Hutch. As long as nothing unusual happens, of course.
So far, she seems to really care for Hutch. Though it's not clear if as a friend... Although this little conversation makes me think that maybe she thinks of him as more than just a friend...

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If the VN intends to stick to the NTR theme till the end then it's a trap. The girl in Chistian's bed looks like Addison(or maybe her mother lol, so Christian's sister in law, to bypass incest). Either Addison is getting used/blackmailed by her uncle to mentally/emotionally torture and manipulate Hutch or she is as sick as her uncle and is only pretending.

Judging by this thread, seems a lot of people are hoping Addison and Hutch work together to take down Christian and they end up as a couple. I'd agree that seems the most realistic scenario & ending. But i don't got my hopes up high lol, don't really see any NTR game that does a redemption & revenge path. Moving Down did that, dev introduced another female who can be the lifeline but it did not end well, it was a trap lol.
 
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