VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[JoeBlogs]

Wow 6+ pages this time ... Community is going strong!

Looks like we are all going back and forth with our opinions and predictions on what is going on.
Lots have said on this fictional scenario, and I for one can't help but view it through some sort of reality lens, (even though I know it built on NTR porn logic).

What has drawn me to the game is the prospect of it being different and not following the same warn out NTR path that I personally find quite boring. e.g. The unstoppable bully, the unbelievable slut wife/girlfriend, the weak as piss betrayed or the betrayed that loves the cheating and getting his pee pee all hard at the thought of it. I also find it boring when the bully always wins, and the betrayed just takes it. I know it's done for some emotional punch, but... boring. I don't want to yuck on other peoples yum, if that is your bag, good for you, but it's not for me.

I liked that Hutch pulls away from Vivian and was actually showing signs of being hurt, and showing signs that no, he is not at all Ok nor enjoying any of it. For me is showed a side of strength to him, even though he was broken and betrayed and felt small. Unfortunately that last bedroom scene between Hutch and Vivian kind of broke that rebellious stance. Hopefully it will come back.
I also liked that we get to see through both Hutch and Vivian's point of view.

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Some are defending Vivian's actions e.g. "the wrong thing for the right reason", or other versions of "did it to help Hutch". I and others have also argued that it is a pretty piss poor excuse for starting this shit. And if you delve into the story that we have seen so far, it's not even true.

Lets preface the scenario:
1. Hutch has been working there for 6 years (we do not know what/ where he worked previously, and can only assume he advanced his carrier by working for Christian).
2. I will also assume that in those 6 years, he must have been doing his salesman job, thus bringing in accounts. Since he wasn't let go previously, I can also only assume he was doing a reasonable job.
3. Saying that he most likely brought it way more accounts then the 2 he "allegedly" lost. We all know that in business, you win some and you lose some.
4. Even when he lost the 2 accounts, Christian did not say he was going to fire Hutch, that was just an assumption. I would assume there would be some business process or meeting would occur, before any firing declaration.

Now regarding the handling of the scenario:
1. Hutch talks to Vivian regarding the scenario. The only thing they do is look online for a bit and not find any sales job (highly unlikely unless they live in some hick town). No other avenues were considered.
2. Vivian comes up with some plan to woo the boss with a home cooked dinner and an "action plan".

Now to the crux of the story (we can all watch it again).
Vivian lied to Hutch several times before leading to the dinner, even stating she can take care of herself against any unwarranted propositions. And yet she knew she was going to fuck the boss, and did fuck the boss. At this stage I would assume she thought it was a one off deal: Fuck the boss, save the job, hold the secret and go on with life. Her plan falls through because Hutch sees her in action, and breaks down.

Hutch asks her what happened in the back yard, and she lies to his face repeatedly. As for the notepad, Christian didn't even ask or care, obviously as it was just a distraction. Christian also knew that she would fuck him straight away.

When Christian demanded she sleep in his room, she must have realized that Christian is a big fat liar, that the "deal" they made in the backyard meant nothing. She gives in and betrays Hutch again, repeatedly that night.

Then after still being in contact with Christian (how did he get her phone number?), she again visits him at his work, in order to say no to his new job offer plan. She is coerced under the guise of protecting Hutch's job, then willingly fucks him once more. Another Christian lie.

Vivian knows he is a manipulative liar, but continues with it at the expense of her marriage and her husband's well being. Basically in a nutshell, she is an lying unfaithful cheating slut, and no matter what her reasoning is, that is all she will be.
Her actions speak volumes, and totally contradict her bullshit words. After all, she too is a bit fat liar, and lying to herself is no different to lying to Hutch.

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I might have to take a step back from this discussion (or at least reduce by visitation) until the next update comes out. There is not much left to discuss until we see further into the story and how it progresses.

Cheers!

 

[Hattyrulz]

what i dont think we all realize is hutch in my opinion could have gotten over the cheating.. but she denies it. every chance hutch gives her to admit the truth she lies over an over.. knowing full well that hutch knows what happened she continues to lie. his actions show her he knows , his questions shows her he knows but yet still lies everytime. being we havent seen or know about there 22 years of marriage but if hutch knows she can lie over an over about something so obvious he must know she has been lying to him thru the entire marriage.. ever wonder why he keeps asking her "do you love me" in text but never says it back. because he knows she is lying . its one thing to make mistakes but to lie about everything tells him his entire marriage has been a lie

Solid points since we where talking about tests hutch was essentially testing Vivian to see if she'd actually tell the truth and own up to it which she didn't , I don't know if I would go as far as saying he thinks everything else in the marriage is a lie but he will be questioning it and I don't think she still loves hutch at the current moment I just don't think he's sold on it , with this being said this is why I wish hutch had of been more vocal during the living scene had it of been you where given a choice of what to say at that time I would of absolutely made her feel like shit no questions asked Id of really stuck the knife in , now I have been toying with the idea that hutch has a ulterior motive for opening the marriage and that he's actually done with Vivian and is doing this to buy time to complete what ever he needs to complete I just not sure to what that motive might be

true and your right.. but hutch knew she was lying. vivian for whatever reason still lied . hutch knowing she was lying continually and the boss lying showed him he cant trust anyone . without trust, respect, honor its pretty hard to love someone and believe anything they ever told you

you need to understand from the start of vivian going to the bosses office to the end of the update the couple had be manipulated by christian and they both believe christian than each other. vivian not being the sharpest knife in the drawer is confiding to her lover instead of working it out with the husband, hutch fares slightly better to christians manipulations as he has added worries cos of his wife ( these worries are just assumptions on my part we won't know until update 3 for hutch's views.

TheDuke9999 as you have said in your post it was already talked about before as well the constant back and forth questioning and lying between the couple. and its funny you brought up the do you love me text... which is what vivian message hutch she she is getting fucked and later on vivian just laughs about it(don't remember what vivian does exactly correct me if im wrong) when christian say you are confessing your love to your husband when he is fucking her. and hutch watches all this.

Chaoticjustice since you have come to the obvious cigarette man hutch theory which is a follow-up theory to hutch having ulterior motives. i just want to you to be prepared for disappointment as that theory is the best possible theory for hutch having a better than bad ending in this story.

dunno about honor in a marriage....but trust and communication which lead to respect are what are vital for a happy marriage in my experience.

 

[packard1928]

Duke... back to the shirt in the drawer... you are right.. and I am confused on why she open the drawer the second time then closed it ?? I thought she was getting a grip on Christian... then she goes later and has Sex in the bathroom ??

Second... in the parking lot after the bathroom Sex .. Vivian realizes that Hutch knows all ... backyard, Br and Bathroom. She mentioned earlier he does not touch her... and we have not herd him say He loves her out loud or in text. Even in the conversation where they end up opening the marriage... none said..... It will be interesting to see how that plays in the next release about vivian...

 

[TheDuke9999]

you need to understand from the start of vivian going to the bosses office to the end of the update the couple had be manipulated by christian and they both believe christian than each other. vivian not being the sharpest knife in the drawer is confiding to her lover instead of working it out with the husband, hutch fares slightly better to christians manipulations as he has added worries cos of his wife ( these worries are just assumptions on my part we won't know until update 3 for hutch's views.

TheDuke9999 as you have said in your post it was already talked about before as well the constant back and forth questioning and lying between the couple. and its funny you brought up the do you love me text... which is what vivian message hutch she she is getting fucked and later on vivian just laughs about it(dont remember what vivian does exactly correct me if im wrong) when christian say you are confessing your love to your to your husband when he is fucking her. and hutch watches all this.

Chaoticjustice since you have come to the obvious cigarette man hutch theory which is a followup theory to hutch having ulterior motives. i just want to you to be prepared for disappointement as that theory is the best possible theory for hutch having a better than bad ending in this story.

dunno about honor in a marriage....but trust and communication which lead to respect are what are vital for a happy marriage in my experience.

the honor part was honoring the words spoken 22 years ago at there wedding that hutch now knows was all a lie

 

[Hattyrulz]

Wow 6+ pages this time ... Community is going strong!

Looks like we are all going back and forth with our opinions and predictions on what is going on.
Lots have said on this fictional scenario, and I for one can't help but view it through some sort of reality lens, (even though I know it built on NTR porn logic).

What has drawn me to the game is the prospect of it being different and not following the same warn out NTR path that I personally find quite boring. e.g. The unstoppable bully, the unbelievable slut wife/girlfriend, the weak as piss betrayed or the betrayed that loves the cheating and getting his pee pee all hard at the thought of it. I also find it boring when the bully always wins, and the betrayed just takes it. I know it's done for some emotional punch, but... boring. I don't want to yuck on other peoples yum, if that is your bag, good for you, but it's not for me.

I liked that Hutch pulls away from Vivian and was actually showing signs of being hurt, and showing signs that no, he is not at all Ok nor enjoying any of it. For me is showed a side of strength to him, even though he was broken and betrayed and felt small. Unfortunately that last bedroom scene between Hutch and Vivian kind of broke that rebellious stance. Hopefully it will come back.
I also liked that we get to see through both Hutch and Vivian's point of view.

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Some are defending Vivian's actions e.g. "the wrong thing for the right reason", or other versions of "did it to help Hutch". I and others have also argued that it is a pretty piss poor excuse for starting this shit. And if you delve into the story that we have seen so far, it's not even true.

Lets preface the scenario:
1. Hutch has been working there for 6 years (we do not know what/ where he worked previously, and can only assume he advanced his carrier by working for Christian).
2. I will also assume that in those 6 years, he must have been doing his salesman job, thus bringing in accounts. Since he wasn't let go previously, I can also only assume he was doing a reasonable job.
3. Saying that he most likely brought it way more accounts then the 2 he "allegedly" lost. We all know that in business, you win some and you lose some.
4. Even when he lost the 2 accounts, Christian did not say he was going to fire Hutch, that was just an assumption. I would assume there would be some business process or meeting would occur, before any firing declaration.

Now regarding the handling of the scenario:
1. Hutch talks to Vivian regarding the scenario. The only thing they do is look online for a bit and not find any sales job (highly unlikely unless they live in some hick town). No other avenues were considered.
2. Vivian comes up with some plan to woo the boss with a home cooked dinner and an "action plan".

Now to the crux of the story (we can all watch it again).
Vivian lied to Hutch several times before leading to the dinner, even stating she can take care of herself against any unwarranted propositions. And yet she knew she was going to fuck the boss, and did fuck the boss. At this stage I would assume she thought it was a one off deal: Fuck the boss, save the job, hold the secret and go on with life. Her plan falls through because Hutch sees her in action, and breaks down.

Hutch asks her what happened in the back yard, and she lies to his face repeatedly. As for the notepad, Christian didn't even ask or care, obviously as it was just a distraction. Christian also knew that she would fuck him straight away.

When Christian demanded she sleep in his room, she must have realized that Christian is a big fat liar, that the "deal" they made in the backyard meant nothing. She gives in and betrays Hutch again, repeatedly that night.

Then after still being in contact with Christian (how did he get her phone number?), she again visits him at his work, in order to say no to his new job offer plan. She is coerced under the guise of protecting Hutch's job, then willingly fucks him once more. Another Christian lie.

Vivian knows he is a manipulative liar, but continues with it at the expense of her marriage and her husband's well being. Basically in a nutshell, she is an lying unfaithful cheating slut, and no matter what her reasoning is, that is all she will be.
Her actions speak volumes, and totally contradict her bullshit words. After all, she too is a bit fat liar, and lying to herself is no different to lying to Hutch.

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I might have to take a step back from this discussion (or at least reduce by visitation) until the next update comes out. There is not much left to discuss until we see further into the story and how it progresses.

Cheers!

JoeBlogs nice as always bringing the heat ... A+ on the essay jokes aside yeah we have dissected this kn with all possible theories and now most theories new posters come up with are just what has already been talked about a few times. except for dealbreaker and darkarchons conversations which usually interesting to me.

just a counterpoint to this that chaoticjustice or luc brought up about vivian's will and self-control. i was thinking about it and SC Stories clearly wants us to have vivian from the way he has portrayed her in the kn so far, just to make a 180 and make her the twist that no one is expecting. this a theory with too many what if so bear with me... hutch being the cigarette man and vivian regaining a degree of common sense and intelligence to understand that she is hurting her husband and being used by christian.. the couple might end up together by exacting vengeance on christian with the help of addison who gives them the recording of the security camera at christians house which also shows the wives of the 2 clients lost to the company at the start of the kn.... i didn't properly think this through and make clear cut story... but i hope better creative minds will streamline this as these are bits and pieces of others theories from other posters. JoeBlogs looking at you bud to make it a more presentable.
TheDuke9999 forgot about the wedding vows... ty interesting thought what would their wedding vows be for vivian to behave in such a manner at the first sight of a better man(i know christian is just a dbag) going so far as to go for a second kiss on the lips after a cheeky first.

 

[JoeBlogs]

looking at you bud to make it a more presentable.

As much as I'd love to, its time for me to step back, and wait for further canon developments in the story (i.e. next update!)

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Ok I have a theory around the shirt or Vivian sees it as a reminder of what she has done.

I would imagine by keeping it in the first place the reminder is supposed to be look at the horrible thing thing you have done to your husband and act as a deterrent

Now when she sniffs it the first time I think it's to show that she had a moment of weakness and gave into her desire and hence why she sniffed it

The second time when she opens the door I think she was again going to feed that desire and sniff it again but then came to her senses and what like what am I doing I'm married and I "love" hutch hence why she closed it

I think for her the shirt would be something that would repulse her and act as a reminder of look at what s fucking hoe you are was the original plan , but if anything I think it's going to act more like a trophy so to speak and each time she interacts with it her desire becomes stronger

After peoples strongest memory of something is typically they first time they did it a you always remember your first situation and Christian knows this hence why he's like keep it or do what ever with it and doesn't actually ask for it to be returned

This also allows Christian to taint the presence of hutch and Vivian marital home with hutch being none the wiser , Christian essentially acts like a sexual serial killer with out the murder everything is done for a reason to maximise the enjoyment that he gets from it , he will never actually do anything on a wim he will always analyse all possibilities

Well that's my thoughts on the matter

 

[Chaoticjustice]

On a side note Ive always found the porn logic for this situation odd , Il fuck my husbands boss so he can keep his job and it will be all happy after that there's never really an after thought shown around potential consequences almost like it's seen as the perfect crime haha, it will never happen again , my husband will never find out , gets to keep his job and even if he does find out I fucked his boss or am still fucking his boss he will still stay in that job

Again I know it's porn logic but I've always found it funny just how far it leans into it more than anything

Hope this makes sense

 

[Lagunavii]

Again I know it's porn logic but I've always found it funny just how far it leans into it more than anything

As porn logic goes it's actually one of the more timid ones. There's certainly worse out there and Is more believable than others

 

[Chaoticjustice]

As porn logic goes it's actually one of the more timid ones. There's certainly worse out there and Is more believable than others

Ooo really do tell I suppose I don't normally tend to actually think about them most of them time

I would agree now that I think about it I guess the thing I find the most strange about it is there is never an after thought to any potential issues down the line

Tho porn logic is funny in the way that it reminds of of scooby doo in an aspect of when they get caught and unmasked , where it's actually quite funny and I would of got away with it too if it hadn't of been for my pesky husband hahaha

 

[Lagunavii]

Ooo really do tell I suppose I don't normally tend to actually think about them most of them time

Well setting aside the port logic, indecent proposals do happen, blakmailers also don't generally stop after they get what they want... Obviously the game leans into it and our pace is fast but that's more narrative reasons, than porn.

As I said it's one of the more timid ones, its not like the horny "Landlady" which when you think about what it really is, is quite ridiculous or the MC has a magic cock one where a Harem of woman just jump on MC well just because

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Well setting aside the port logic, indecent proposals do happen, blakmailers also don't generally stop after they get what they want... Obviously the game leans into it and our pace is fast but that's more narrative reasons, than porn.

As I said it's one of the more timid ones, its not like the horny "Landlady" which when you think about what it really is, is quite ridiculous or the MC has a magic cock one where a Harem of woman just jump on MC well just because

Ooo absolutely it happens I'm not doubting that , but I do wonder in a rl situation is it that they genuinely believe it's a one time thing or do they hope it's a one time thing but know deep down it's really not , I guess it's hard to say unless you have actually been in that situation

Interesting I thought you might of went for the pizza delivery guy haha oooo I have no money for this pizza but I still ordered it anyway, can I repay you another way mr pizza delivery guy haha and also the pizza happens to come with extra "sausage" haha

 

[TonyMurray]

3. Saying that he most likely brought it way more accounts then the 2 he "allegedly" lost. We all know that in business, you win some and you lose some.

Indeed, and I like to think of it in slightly different terms. Two of Hutch's clients left the company. He might not have done enough to keep them, but it's not necessarily the case that he "lost" them in terms of he didn't take care of them so they left, or even worse that he did something bad and so they left. My business head just equates "lost a client" to mean "a client left for a rival company" - sometimes, it's just a case of the other company offers them a better proposition.

I was going to say something else on this, but actually, I'll put it under the first Gattsu quote in a few lines' time!

Now to the crux of the story (we can all watch it again).
... she knew she was going to fuck the boss, and did fuck the boss.

I still don't think this is necessarily the case. I think she was expecting she might have to do something she was uncomfortable with, but I don't think she went there thinking she was going to fuck. I think it might have been a case of flirting, maybe getting a bit close and even touchy-feely. I think it only dawned on her once she was there that it was a possibility she would end up getting fucked, and the expressions on her face and her words and tears to Hutch beforehand are because she's realised how much she's misjudged the situation and that it might very likely end up going further than she'd expected, and further than she'd psyched herself up for on the drive over.

Huutch knew and was informed before about the importance, nevertheless he lost them and admitted to Christian he forgot to take care of them!

Following on from the bit I replied to above from Joe, I don't think this is necessarily the case. The exchange first:

Christian: "Just got off the phone with the Jensen representative. You lost the account."
Hutch: "Oh... well, sir... I don't know if it's..."
Christian: "The Berger account as well."
Hutch: "Berger?"
Hutch: "But I just talked to them a couple days ago."
Christian: "And they called this morning to say they are going with GSA Group."
Hutch: "GSA? Oh, shit..."
Christian: "Oh shit, indeed."
Christian: "I warned you they were expanding by stealing other people's clients. I warned you to shore up your relationships."
Hutch: "I know, sir. I did..."
Hutch: "I thought I had..."

GSA have been expanding and stealing clients from other companies - if they're stealing clients, the suggestion is they're offering a better proposition, because there has to be a reason to leave. A company isn't likely to leave a supplier/service provider/whatever this company does for a rival offering exactly the same thing, with no additional benefit.

Christian let his team know this and to "shore up their relationships" - so get in touch with them, make sure they're happy, make sure there isn't anything they need that they're not getting, anything that might make them jump ship when another company comes calling.

Hutch says "I did, I thought I had" - I don't take this to mean he forgot to shore up the relationships. It could very easily mean that he did it and he thought he had got them all sorted. He spoke to them (one of the two clients, at least) a couple of days ago. So I read this as he followed instructions, made contact and everything seemed fine (at least to him), and then GSA spoke to them and gave them better terms, so they decided to leave.

So it's not necessarily he forgot to take care of them, but maybe just that he didn't take care of them as well as he thought he had. I mean, it's not like he's averse to having the wool pulled over his eyes a bit...

Vivian is looking while Huutch shines with disinterest the whole time. Vivian is the only one taking the initiative here.
The question here is, what the fuck is wrong with Huutch?

Why admitting something when not being sure the secret got revealed?

To the first bit, he was pretty distraught, thinking he's going to lose his job and they could end up losing the house, Sawyer's tuition funds, etc. He needs to jump into action here, but it's not unusual that someone in that position would be a sad sack for a bit, wallowing in the mire of their situation.

For the second bit, excactly so. It's not right, but I think it's likely what's going on here - why admit to something when you know how much pain it will cause, if you think you can hide it and avoid causing that pain?

Ok I have a theory around the shirt or Vivian sees it as a reminder of what she has done.

I would imagine by keeping it in the first place the reminder is supposed to be look at the horrible thing thing you have done to your husband and act as a deterrent

Now when she sniffs it the first time I think it's to show that she had a moment of weakness and gave into her desire and hence why she sniffed it

I think for her the shirt would be something that would repulse her and act as a reminder of look at what s fucking hoe you are was the original plan , but if anything I think it's going to act more like a trophy so to speak and each time she interacts with it her desire becomes stronger

I don't know why she decided to keep it, and to keep it so close to hand as well, but I don't think it's as any form of deterrent. The actions when she takes it out are almost reverential. It's like she's smelling her husband's clothing to get a reminder of him because he's away for a month on a business trip, not that she's smelling something in disgust. The last bit is likely right, about it being a trophy of sorts, and increasing her desire.

 

[Lagunavii]

Ooo absolutely it happens I'm not doubting that , but I do wonder in a rl situation is it that they genuinely believe it's a one time thing or do they hope it's a one time thing but know deep down it's really not , I guess it's hard to say unless you have actually been in that situation

Interesting I thought you might of went for the pizza delivery guy haha oooo I have no money for this pizza but I still ordered it anyway, can I repay you another way mr pizza delivery guy haha and also the pizza happens to come with extra "sausage" haha

In regards to most blackmails/extortion, the victim does think it's a one time thing, the what comes next generally isn't on a victims mind ad it's more "I do this simple thing and it stops" which is why the perp can often do it again, but we are getting a bit meta there.

Well the pizza one is such an iconic trope at this stage, I don't doubt because of the actual trope itself it happens more often than not...

 

[Chaoticjustice]

In regards to most blackmails/extortion, the victim does think it's a one time thing, the what comes next generally isn't on a victims mind ad it's more "I do this simple thing and it stops" which is why the perp can often do it again, but we are getting a bit meta there.

Well the pizza one is such an iconic trope at this stage, I don't doubt because of the actual trope itself it happens more often than not...

Yeah very true it's the same sort of thing with blackmail for money rather than sexual favours that it's hopeful that it's a one time thing but in the end it never is

So you reckon it actually happens more than you think interesting haha I suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't happen so that makes sense I guess I never imagined it would be more common

Also I agree with you about the MC with the magic dick and doesn't even need to do anything and women just love him and the sex is always amazing, may as well just make it a sex simulator at that stage rather than add a story to it

Tho that sparks another thought has any avns took the approach with the MC that at the start they aren't great in bed and as the game progresses they get better in bed or is it that the MC is either amazing in bed or awful with no in between

 

[Chaoticjustice]

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Indeed, and I like to think of it in slightly different terms. Two of Hutch's clients left the company. He might not have done enough to keep them, but it's not necessarily the case that he "lost" them in terms of he didn't take care of them so they left, or even worse that he did something bad and so they left. My business head just equates "lost a client" to mean "a client left for a rival company" - sometimes, it's just a case of the other company offers them a better proposition.

I was going to say something else on this, but actually, I'll put it under the first Gattsu quote in a few lines' time!

I still don't think this is necessarily the case. I think she was expecting she might have to do something she was uncomfortable with, but I don't think she went there thinking she was going to fuck. I think it might have been a case of flirting, maybe getting a bit close and even touchy-feely. I think it only dawned on her once she was there that it was a possibility she would end up getting fucked, and the expressions on her face and her words and tears to Hutch beforehand are because she's realised how much she's misjudged the situation and that it might very likely end up going further than she'd expected, and further than she'd psyched herself up for on the drive over.

Following on from the bit I replied to above from Joe, I don't think this is necessarily the case. The exchange first:

GSA have been expanding and stealing clients from other companies - if they're stealing clients, the suggestion is they're offering a better proposition, because there has to be a reason to leave. A company isn't likely to leave a supplier/service provider/whatever this company does for a rival offering exactly the same thing, with no additional benefit.

Christian let his team know this and to "shore up their relationships" - so get in touch with them, make sure they're happy, make sure there isn't anything they need that they're not getting, anything that might make them jump ship when another company comes calling.

Hutch says "I did, I thought I had" - I don't take this to mean he forgot to shore up the relationships. It could very easily mean that he did it and he thought he had got them all sorted. He spoke to them (one of the two clients, at least) a couple of days ago. So I read this as he followed instructions, made contact and everything seemed fine (at least to him), and then GSA spoke to them and gave them better terms, so they decided to leave.

So it's not necessarily he forgot to take care of them, but maybe just that he didn't take care of them as well as he thought he had. I mean, it's not like he's averse to having the wool pulled over his eyes a bit...

To the first bit, he was pretty distraught, thinking he's going to lose his job and they could end up losing the house, Sawyer's tuition funds, etc. He needs to jump into action here, but it's not unusual that someone in that position would be a sad sack for a bit, wallowing in the mire of their situation.

For the second bit, excactly so. It's not right, but I think it's likely what's going on here - why admit to something when you know how much pain it will cause, if you think you can hide it and avoid causing that pain?

I don't know why she decided to keep it, and to keep it so close to hand as well, but I don't think it's as any form of deterrent. The actions when she takes it out are almost reverential. It's like she's smelling her husband's clothing to get a reminder of him because he's away for a month on a business trip, not that she's smelling something in disgust. The last bit is likely right, about it being a trophy of sorts, and increasing her desire.

So the reason she kept it is to remind her that she's cheated on her husband and what a horrible person she is meant to be hence where it becomes a deterrent but in reality it will only feed to her desires more rather than drive her away from them

Now when she sniffs it that isn't her doing it to put herself off the idea of to disgust herself , when she sniffs it that is her submitting to her to desires and embracing them for that moment almost like she's trying to chase a high sort of thing

Does that make more sense now in regards to what I was trying to put across

One thing I will agree on is I don't know she keeps it so close and not more hidden as it seems very high risk , it's as if she's doing it because she wants to be caught maybe , is it she doesn't have it in her to confess so she wants hutch to find it so he confronts her about and she can get some relief from all the lies

 

[TonyMurray]

So the reason she kept it is to remind her that she's cheated on her husband and what a horrible person she is meant to be hence where it becomes a deterrent but in reality it will only feed to her desires more rather than drive her away from them

Now when she sniffs it that isn't her doing it to put herself off the idea of to disgust herself , when she sniffs it that is her submitting to her to desires and embracing them for that moment almost like she's trying to chase a high sort of thing

Does that make more sense now in regards to what I was trying to put across

I just don't think there's any aspect of "remind me of the wrong I did" with it. Presumably, she would be the opposite, wanting to burn it or otherwise dispose of it, as I don't think she would want (or need) any reminder at all. Instead, keeping it just shows that she is drawn to him, and the desire part that you mention.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I just don't think there's any aspect of "remind me of the wrong I did" with it. Presumably, she would be the opposite, wanting to burn it or otherwise dispose of it, as I don't think she would want (or need) any reminder at all. Instead, keeping it just shows that she is drawn to him, and the desire part that you mention.

Could be she's keeps it as conflicted between the two emotions, and I'm sure we will agree that as much as she wants to tell herself she did it for hutch and she didn't enjoy it , she did clearly enjoy it and I think it's more to do with at the moment when she keeps it and sniffs it and puts it in the drawer that she doesn't want to admit to herself that she actually enjoyed it and almost wants to try and ignore it and try and convince herself that it's all for hutch, but as the story progresses it becomes less about doing it for hutch and it's more about doing it for herself

And she uses the reason that its all for hutch in an attempt to justify it to herself to essentially deflect that she's doing a bad thing and that's it more about her now than it is hutch

 

[TonyMurray]

Oh yeah he forgot. You know trhat the DEV expresses the feelings and situations more with renders than through dialogs.
Before Huutch said those words, he facepalmed himself! "I did...facepalm...I thought I had"
This action in renders explain exactly what went through Huutch's brain at that moment!

I'm still not convinced - it could be either one of the two reasons. However, like with other things, I really don't think it's in the slightest bit important. I would be surprised if it comes up again, because it's not important to the overall story. It's served its purpose by giving us the inciting incident of the story.

 

[Luc77]

I'm interested in aspects of what we already have - we know that Chris is a pervert and there is no doubt that he will put Vivian in all sorts of situations. Even the purple night looks quite strange, and may have additional participants in the fun.

looks like instead of inviting her for oriental food, he sent a car to take her to some intimate orgy
the entire set of photos from the purple night clearly shows that Vivian is confused - before, during and after




With the topics - why, where from, how, we have really reached a wall. Now there will only be a discussion about how my reason is better than yours.