VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Gattsu#Struggler]

I'm still not convinced - it could be either one of the two reasons. However, like with other things, I really don't think it's in the slightest bit important. I would be surprised if it comes up again, because it's not important to the overall story. It's served its purpose by giving us the inciting incident of the story.

I was just correcting the mammuth text from Joe which had some incorrect information on some points which one could easily recognize by reading my post.
'It's not important' is a quite lousy statement after trying to correct someone which in the end failed from your side.

When you brought up this

To the first bit, he was pretty distraught, thinking he's going to lose his job and they could end up losing the house, Sawyer's tuition funds, etc. He needs to jump into action here, but it's not unusual that someone in that position would be a sad sack for a bit, wallowing in the mire of their situation.

then I would say the unimportant part is what you mentioned as "it's not unusual that someone in this situation..."
because you ignore the facts in game and came up with real life situations.
We judge from what we see and read from the game.
What most of you guys do is, you try to put something into it by comparing it with real life situations and then ignore the facts we get from the game.

 

[Justaphase]

I'm interested in aspects of what we already have - we know that Chris is a pervert and there is no doubt that he will put Vivian in all sorts of situations. Even the purple night looks quite strange, and may have additional participants in the fun.

looks like instead of inviting her for oriental food, he sent a car to take her to some intimate orgy
the entire set of photos from the purple night clearly shows that Vivian is confused - before, during and after

I think it remains to be seen if Christian will be the type to want to share his new found toy. I doubt it, his type don't usually. That still doesn't mean that he won't try and push her limits or show her off. But actually knowingly sharing her with other men? Other than Hutch of course but he knows that their marriage is sexless.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I'm interested in aspects of what we already have - we know that Chris is a pervert and there is no doubt that he will put Vivian in all sorts of situations. Even the purple night looks quite strange, and may have additional participants in the fun.

looks like instead of inviting her for oriental food, he sent a car to take her to some intimate orgy
the entire set of photos from the purple night clearly shows that Vivian is confused - before, during and after




With the topics - why, where from, how, we have really reached a wall. Now there will only be a discussion about how my reason is better than yours.

If this orgy happens I wonder afterwards if she will have a realisation that she's essentially becoming a prostitute without the paycheck at the end and that it's become a situation where Christian says jump and she says how high or will she just be ignorant to it all and just keep telling herself that these are her choices and she's doing it because she wants and that she's not being used as living pocket pussy so speak haha

 

[Dealbreaker]

I don't think Vivian is judging and processing her experience with the boss in terms of good or bad or right or wrong or even harmful or beneficial at all, but in terms of being important, consequential and forceful (and that's the reason neither Hutch nor she herself can do something about it).

 

[Luc77]

I think it remains to be seen if Christian will be the type to want to share his new found toy. I doubt it, his type don't usually. That still doesn't mean that he won't try and push her limits or show her off. But actually knowingly sharing her with other men? Other than Hutch of course but he knows that their marriage is sexless.

I also think that it's still too early to sharing- but it's clear that there's something wrong with that situation.
this is the scene that is the most elaborate in terms announcement of events - i dont remember, but total of 8 photos/pic.

it starts weird, ends weird, but then everything seems to be fine and she goes to a restaurant with Chris

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

Even the purple night looks quite strange, and may have additional participants in the fun.

looks like instead of inviting her for oriental food, he sent a car to take her to some intimate orgy
the entire set of photos from the purple night clearly shows that Vivian is confused - before, during and after

I did had some theories why she was picked up like

• Her car is broken and at the garage of Lamonte's car shop. She was ordered by Christian to handle the client meeting on her own as she knew the location which they both scoped out on a night out before.
  Christian tricked Vivian because the client (may be Mayor West who they met on the night out before) wanted to have a one on one date with Vivian alone and offered Christian a deal or Christian owned him a favor.
  So Christian or even the mayor West sent her a driver.
  Here the location changed to the surprise of Vivian from known restaurant to client's house.
• For the later part of the purple dress I guess Marcel has a part in it.
  Vivian tried to escape from client's house and ended somehow up with Marcel who was celebrating with the team the win of their game (Friday evening)
  Vivian showering in the house of Marcel's parents to freshen up and later gets a drive back to her home.

 

[TonyMurray]

I was just correcting the mammuth text from Joe which had some incorrect information on some points which one could easily recognize by reading my post.
'It's not important' is a quite lousy statement after trying to correct someone which in the end failed from your side.

When you brought up this

then I would say the unimportant part is what you mentioned as "it's not unusual that someone in this situation..."
because you ignore the facts in game and came up with real life situations.
We judge from what we see and read from the game.
What most of you guys do is, you try to put something into it by comparing it with real life situations and then ignore the facts we get from the game.

I wasn't trying to correct you, I was just putting out an alternative view - either (or neither) of our views could be correct. And when I said it wasn't important, I wasn't trying to stop discussion on it or anything like that. I just meant that we often look too deeply into this game, which is great, but in most cases, it's probably going to be a lot more simple than we theorise. I just meant that, whatever the reason for it happening, it's probably not the important part of it, and probably won't come up again in the game.

We all compare elements of the game to real-life situations, because that's just human nature. If there are facts in the game, they don't need interpreting, most of the time, but if things are unclear, that's when we draw our own conclusions. The bit you quote from me in relation to this, why Hutch doesn't act, is not explained in the game, so there are no facts to tell us the answer, hence I used real-life to draw a comparison that gives us one possible answer.

 

[Luc77]

first theory

1. she probably knows there will be alcohol and takes an Uber (or Chris sends)
2. changing the location is very possible(I also think that there is a last minute change of location) - but she's fucking there, so she'll be straight to the client (mayor)? IMO too soon (for sharing, even 3), but it can't be ruled out. Or little foursome without changing partners
3. regarding the escape from the client's house - I agree, especially since he returns without full jewelery, I also think that Marcel has a hand in it (hence the look at the match and by the car - please don't tell anyone).

or.
2. unless we have a game called "get it done" here. Chris sends her a text message saying he won't be at the business meeting and asks Vivian to take care of the client (the mayor). And Vivain takes care of it as best she can... her decision on how to handle the meeting, her action and her responsibility.


second theory
I don't think so, a garden party is a completely different meeting from purple. If the garden party developed from a swingers party, the scene where Chris fucks Vivian and Hutch looks for her wouldn't make much sense

however, this theory about pushing boundaries has some justification in the case of Hutch&Go-Go Club.
maybe Chris sends the couple to a business meeting at a gogo club, and Vivian gets additional instructions.... which she carries out while Hutch waits impatiently

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Another theory (corrupting a couple - rule xx by Christian Landon)

• The backyard party we saw in the preview at Christian's house is actually a swinger party of course without the knowledge of the couple.
  Another plan from Christian shifting the boundaries of both of them.
  For Huutch who doesn't want to know any details by throwing it him into his face and for Vivian to extend her experience.

I could see this happening or something to that extent, I'm sure we will agree that Christian gets something out of playing hutch and Vivian off each other , I don't think he has a set preference to who he hurts more I think he revels more in the fact that he is able to manipulate them both almost like he is writing his own story and he is just watching it play out if front of him

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

I wasn't trying to correct you, I was just putting out an alternative view - either (or neither) of our views could be correct. And when I said it wasn't important, I wasn't trying to stop discussion on it or anything like that. I just meant that we often look too deeply into this game, which is great, but in most cases, it's probably going to be a lot more simple than we theorise. I just meant that, whatever the reason for it happening, it's probably not the important part of it, and probably won't come up again in the game.

We all compare elements of the game to real-life situations, because that's just human nature. If there are facts in the game, they don't need interpreting, most of the time, but if things are unclear, that's when we draw our own conclusions. The bit you quote from me in relation to this, why Hutch doesn't act, is not explained in the game, so there are no facts to tell us the answer, hence I used real-life to draw a comparison that gives us one possible answer.

Well we know Huutch is going to lose his job by adding the reactions of his coworkers and himself into account. That is a fact.
What follows is, his wife trying to help to find job alternatives. Also a fact.
Huutch not really engaged just answering each possible job advertisment found by Vivian with nothing more than "No". Fact.
Huutch not even applying to any of them just in case. Fact.
The whole body language of Huutch and his following participation in the plan Vivian presented him shows us all just one fact we know for sure and doesn't need any interpreting but is important for the event that happens the next morning ->
He can't do this on his own! Fact.
That's why Vivian is holding the initiative and visits the office knowing about the danger but with self esteem to have everything under control until she met Christian!

 

[Chaoticjustice]

So I have another theory about Christian now bare with me as I may not word this as well as I have it in my head haha

So I think with Christian and this endeavour I don't think he's driven by his need to want Vivian or take her from hutch ( obviously he does have an attraction to her hence the sex ) but I think his main drive with it all is the fact that he can do it , that he can manipulate them both , turn them against each other essentially the puppet master to both of them and see how far he can push them so like I said I think it's the fact that he can do all this he gets more from or finds amusing rather than he wants to take Vivian from hutch eventually for himself

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

second theory
I don't think so, a garden party is a completely different meeting from purple. If the garden party developed from a swingers party, the scene where Chris fucks Vivian and Hutch looks for her wouldn't make much sense

My another theory was connected with the garden party and the black dress with stockings she wore.
My bad for not being clear in that case!

 

[TonyMurray]

Well we know Huutch is going to lose his job by adding the reactions of his coworkers and himself into account. That is a fact.
What follows is, his wife trying to help to find job alternatives. Also a fact.
Huutch not really engaged just answering each possible job advertisment found by Vivian with nothing more than "No". Fact.
Huutch not even applying to any of them just in case. Fact.
The whole body language of Huutch and his following participation in the plan Vivian presented him shows us all just one fact we know for sure and doesn't need any interpreting but is important for the event that happens the next morning ->
He can't do this on his own! Fact.
That's why Vivian is holding the initiative and visits the office knowing about the danger but with self esteem to have everything under control until she met Christian!

Just as a general note, saying "fact" after stuff, doesn't actually make it a fact. But otherwise, a couple of points... We don't know that Hutch is going to get fired, the colleagues just assume so. It's not a fact that he is going to lose his job, but an assumption based on the reactions of others. If you cock up at work and the boss gives you an earful that your colleagues hear, they would probably be saying stuff like "dead man walking" and "you're getting fired" too. It doesn't mean that it will actually happen though. Christian himself even says the same, but you can't take that too much into account because it's said during his manipulation of Vivian.

The only thing here that we do know as a fact, is that Hutch doesn't (at this point) lose his job. He mentions HR to Vivian, so we know there is a HR function to the business, and it would be sensible to assume some HR involvement in any potential firing situation. Once more, we don't have all the facts here, so we have to fill in the gaps ourselves in what become theories (not facts), and using our own real-world knowledge is obviously going to shape how we go forwards with those theories. If it's not in the game, it can't be guaranteed, only suggested or assumed.

Because there is nothing to suggest otherwise, I might assume that Christian tells Hutch to go home and return tomorrow for a chat about his future because that is a sensible path for a manager to take in this situation. Hutch is taken out of Christian's sight, he's not able to do anything that might potentially mess up anything else, Christian is able to cool down a bit and therefore by the time he's having the conversation, he might be thinking more clearly and less prone to making rash decisions. In this scenario, Hutch might be given a warning, or an ultimatum perhaps. Maybe that would be the end of it... until early the next morning, Hutch's wife arrives and gives Christian an opportunity he can't resist taking advantage of...

Christian might think, "I need my sales team, so I can't fire you right now, Hutch, and I was going to make you work overtime (unpaid, of course) until you bring in a couple of clients to replace the ones you lost. However, now I've had an interesting meeting with your wife, I'm going to make you both think I'm going to fire you for this, and I'm going to see how far you will go to stop it from happening..."

Or, he sends Hutch home and tells him to return tomorrow because he knows that IT and HR will need a little time to sort stuff out, and he is therefore giving them this time (personally, I don't think this one is the case, because if it were, Hutch would presumably be locked out of his systems the next day, etc., and also, if Christian was going to do this, he would presumable have just fired Hutch on the spot).

For this bit that we originally discussed:

The whole body language of Huutch and his following participation in the plan Vivian presented him shows us all just one fact we know for sure and doesn't need any interpreting

You initially asked:

Vivian is looking while Huutch shines with disinterest the whole time. Vivian is the only one taking the initiative here.
The question here is, what the fuck is wrong with Huutch?

I answered that question with my view, but if you say it doesn't need interpretation, why did you need to ask this in the first place?

 

[Dealbreaker]

So I have another theory about Christian now bare with me as I may not word this as well as I have it in my head haha

So I think with Christian and this endeavour I don't think he's driven by his need to want Vivian or take her from hutch ( obviously he does have an attraction to her hence the sex ) but I think his main drive with it all is the fact that he can do it , that he can manipulate them both , turn them against each other essentially the puppet master to both of them and see how far he can push them so like I said I think it's the fact that he can do all this he gets more from or finds amusing rather than he wants to take Vivian from hutch eventually for himself

I wrote exactly this just a few days ago.
It's not important who said what, but this is an example for why this thread (as some others have remarked as well) is getting fucking repetitive.

 

[TonyMurray]

I'll answer with your statement, lol

Yes, but it doesn't mean we can't talk about it, the forum would be a hell of a lot quieter if that were the case.

Just to expand on the "everyone knows he's getting fired" bit - we hear a couple of people saying it, but the one person who specifically doesn't say it is Christian, who is the one person (presumably) who would be making the decision. Coupled with "go home now and come back tomorrow", that suggests to me that firing is not a foregone conclusion, and some sort of action plan to turn things around, or even a written warning or something, might have been the intended next step (at least until Vivian turned up and another option presented itself).

 

[Hattyrulz]

I wrote exactly this just a few days ago.
It's not important who said what, but this is an example for why this thread (as some others have remarked as well) is getting fucking repetitive.

wasnt that like more than a week ago when we were talking about the motivations of the 3 main characters in the story... and yes this thread is starting to get too repetitive. same theories and idea with new coat of paint doesn't make them new ideas. like some of the og posters here i think ill follow their lead and take a step back.

 

[Luc77]

Exactly - we eat our own tail. Everything we could write has already been written. Now we just repeat the same thing adding a different spice.

If SC Stories doesn't throw something new at us, we can only speculate on the topic: purple night, garden party and restaurant evening.

I'm still curious whether those few works that SC published on DAZ will be included in the story. (Vivian on the sunset, Viv in full trannsparent blouse etc )
interesting fact - viv at the pool was not published anywhere, and this shot is brilliant. this gives the possibility that it will appear in the next update

 

[Luc77]

remember that we are talking about the realities of the USA (not Europe), where an employee is thrown away like a used condom

 

[TonyMurray]

Of course we can talk about it (the game), that's why we are here for

To answer your expand. I see Huutch getting fired written in stone regarding what happened on day 1 in the office.
Are the reactions of the salesman and Huutch's own not enough of a sign for what is going to happen to him?
It even gets underlined by the reaction of Addison.

It's in any case enough to get the impression that Huutch situation is serious.
It opened Vivian the stage and it handed Christian the basis for blackmail.

Well, not totally written in stone, because the ones saying it are not the ones making the decision. The one making the decision specifically doesn't say it, so although it's obviously serious, it isn't a guarantee that he would be getting fired.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Well, not totally written in stone, because the ones saying it are not the ones making the decision. The one making the decision specifically doesn't say it, so although it's obviously serious, it isn't a guarantee that he would be getting fired.

I agree with tony here I don't think it was set in stone that he was going to get fired but let's not rule it out

But if we take into account that even after Vivian bangs him to save hutch's job , he still restructures his job role and moves him into a more back office role rather than customer facing , for all we know that could of been the plan the entire time , obviously without it ever being confirmed we will never know just thought it would be an interesting point to make