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I have a friend - a judge (a real one) who says clearly that according to the law, betrayal itself is not a ground for divorce
you may be right right .. as weak as dev portrays hutch he is just going to sit there an suffer until that repressed rage kicks in
 

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I have a friend - a judge (a real one) who says clearly that according to the law, betrayal itself is not a ground for divorce
But adultry is... She has crossed that line. But lets see if there is a forgive and forget later....
 
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first off vivian is gone, she is done .. she is already looking for more vitamin D than christian has to offer.. whats he going to save? whats left to save honestly? all christian did was expose her for the slut she always was. what is hutch fighting so hard to save?
I two have wondered this if they will kiss again or have sex anytime soon or if he will even say I love you back or will you hit a boiling point and be like while you do this you fucking repluse me and I can barely look at you

Like will she still worry as she has said that hutch's love language is touch or sex or something like that , so it will be interesting to see what happens next
as TheDuke9999 said in his post i don't think vivian is gone.... in the next update may be possible we'll see when its released. for now vivian knows the cat(hoe) is out of the bag and is still trying to be a good wife and hiding the hoe inside. as most of the dialogues she says in the end point to her giving in.

throughout the first update we see vivian trying to get close to hutch but he is repulsed by it... and vivian lying to hutch face not knowing the hutch knows about all that she did doesnt help hutch to forgive her. like the scene where when hutch comes home to a dinner and vivian says...... i want to make my man happy. and hutch thinking..... well he isn't here. these type of interactions clearly shows hutchs anger but also disgust at the wife he is married to. only at the end of the update before opening up the marriage does hutch touch vivian of his of his own volition.

this brings up the point Chaoticjustice made about hutch ever fogiving vivian in the past presnt or future... which might be used as a wakeup call for vivian. so that the hoe she has become realises its all her fault and not have anyone else to blame. which until now has not been shown that vivian has not realised this point.

I get the impression that some woman has hurt you badly ;)
lol we all have but vivians actions stray far from her words. her decisions make her who she is not her words. she has left. if it wasnt for the kid in college they would be divorced already
think we all have have a encountered characters like vivian in real life as friends or partners... generalising here... don't take offense.. think of these type of individual as wake up calls.

have to agree with duke on the reasoning here... if not for the kid the marriage would have fallen apart i think since it's clearly a superficial marriage, not one of honor, trust and mutual respect. so far in the kn's story we know of.

I dunno I do think she still cares about hutch and loves him what way that goes in regards to end game no one knows
she only shows the that care and love for hutch after she gets fucked. not before... doesn't seem like a healthy relationship to me. after fucking in the backyard she yells at hutch for not writing... shouldn't she have listened to him in the first places and followed hutch's lead. and give him time to come up with a solution instead of thinking i can do better attitude.

or going to the office to meet her lover and fucking him happily then remembers she didn't talk to hutch while fucking her lover... vivian's actions are very clear cut its her doing what she wants to do with no respect to her partner... then realising its a mistake and go crying back to the safety that hutch provides and showing her false care and love.

Forn now - she in not a whore....
not yet.

Currently, divorce is a popular sport.
I have a friend - a judge (a real one) who says clearly that according to the law, betrayal(cheating) itself is not a ground for divorce
i don't like the way you worded divorce being a sport... but yeah have to agree that the number of divorced couples is too high. some people might take offense so excuse me... but english is a weak language... to many words for 1 action like cheating and adultery .... loose meanings with slight variations. that aside.... vivian is a not a whore ... yet. come update 2 well see how it goes... maybe she will do a test run and see how she likes exploring different vitamin d like TheDuke9999 said.
 
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whats he going to save? whats left to save honestly? all christian did was expose her for the slut she always was. what is hutch fighting so hard to save?
I understand the sentiment, but I do not think it safely can be said that Christian has exposed Vivian "for the slut she always was." Currently, her 22 years of marriage and how her typical behavior during this time has been characterized do not evidence this. It is possible that more could be revealed to go against this characterization (as being false or a front), but as of now I do not see this without interpreting/speculating beyond the available evidence.
 

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as TheDuke9999 said in his post i don't think vivian is gone.... in the next update may be possible we'll see when its released. for now vivian knows the cat(hoe) is out of the bag and is still trying to be a good wife and hiding the hoe inside. as most of the dialogues she says in the end point to her giving in.

throughout the first update we see vivian trying to get close to hutch but he is repulsed by it... and vivian lying to hutch face not knowing the hutch knows about all that she did doesnt help hutch to forgive her. like the scene where when hutch comes home to a dinner and vivian says...... i want to make my man happy. and hutch thinking..... well he isn't here. these type of interactions clearly shows hutchs anger but also disgust at the wife he is married to. only at the end of the update before opening up the marriage does hutch touch vivian of his of his own volition.

this brings up the point Chaoticjustice made about hutch ever fogiving vivian in the past presnt or future... which might be used as a wakeup call for vivian. so that the hoe she has become realises its all her fault and not have anyone else to blame. which until now has not been shown that vivian has realised this point.




think we all have have a encountered characters like vivian in real life as friends or partners... generalising here... don't take offense.. think of these type of individual as wake up calls.

have to agree with duke on the reasoning here... if not for the kid the marriage would have fallen apart i think since it's clearly a superficial marriage, not one of honor, trust and mutual respect. so far in the kn's story we know of.



she only shows the that care and love for hutch after she gets fucked. not before... doesn't seem like a healthy relationship to me. after fucking in the backyard she yells at hutch for not writing... shouldn't she have listened to him in the first places and followed hutch's lead. and give him time to come up with a solution instead of thinking i can do better attitude.

or going to the office to meet her lover and fucking him happily then remembers she didn't talk to hutch while fucking her lover... vivian's actions are very clear cut its her doing what she wants to do with no respect to her partner... then realising its a mistake and go crying back to the safety that hutch provides and showing her false care and love.


i don't like the way you worded divorce being a sport... but yeah have to agree that the number of divorced couples is too high. some people might take offense so excuse me... but english is a weak language... to many words for 1 action like cheating and adultery .... loose meanings with slight variations. that aside.... vivian is a not a whore ... yet. come update 2 well see how it goes... maybe she will do a test run and see how she likes exploring different vitamin d like TheDuke9999 said.
I do hope hutch loops back to the big girl comment again and lays down the law to her in a fuck him don't fuck him I don't care situation you've made your bed now you have to lie in it , but I do still think hutch has an angle he's playing against Christian that hasn't been introduced as of yet after all he doesn't make rash decisions
 
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In regards to your question the way I took it to be is that he's doing it for Vivian as he knows something has awoken in her and that he thinks in the long run it's better to let her do it on his terms and "hopefully get it out of her system" rather than try and surpress it and it being something much worse in the future so he sees it as the lesser of two evils sort of thing , I personally think at this stage he couldn't give a fuck about his job , maybe Christian is in his head a bit but I think his main focus is keeping/ saving his marriage now if it works out that way who knows we will just have to wait and see but that's the way I took it , hope this helps but you will get multiple answers but I think more boils down to what the reader wants to take from it unless there's something definitive in the story to say other wise
Probably all the above. I think he is resigned to the fact that she enjoyed it so much in the bathroom scene, regardless of what bullshit she was spewing out at home. He actions spoke volumes, so did her "Whatever you want" comment to Christian.
Her actions destroyed a loyal and loving husband, and made Hutch susceptible to the manipulation of Christian.
Interesting takes, both your points kinda rejoin themselves and are pretty good ways of seeing it.
It would explain why Hutch pushes Vivian to do the project even though she could get out of it and end it all (and both knows that).
So I kinda agree with what you both think about all this.
I hope SC Stories can give us either his take or what he had in vision for the scene, it would be very interesting to confront this with what we think so far.
Thank you both for your answers :giggle:
 

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I understand the sentiment, but I do not think it safely can be said that Christian has exposed Vivian "for the slut she always was." Currently, her 22 years of marriage and how her typical behavior during this time has been characterized do not evidence this. It is possible that more could be revealed to go against this characterization (as being false or a front), but as of now I do not see this without interpreting/speculating beyond the available evidence.
I agree without a back story to what she was like in her younger days it's a stretch to flat out say she's a slut , tramp stamp or not and even with the tramp stamp it could just be on the model itself without any underlying meaning unless it gets confirmed that there's going to be more insight to Vivian and hutch's younger days I would say any theories about it are a non starter as it may never happen but if it does I would say that we would likely see flashbacks to it in the next update as she's been given more freedom now so to speak

Also the threat of not needing them any more if they don't agree to the project only comes into play after Vivian fucks him so if she hadn't of jumped the gun and he did keep his job but just a different role it wouldn't be an issue
 
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Interesting takes, both your points kinda rejoin themselves and are pretty good ways of seeing it.
It would explain why Hutch pushes Vivian to do the project even though she could get out of it and end it all (and both knows that).
So I kinda agree with what you both think about all this.
I hope SC Stories can give us either his take or what he had in vision for the scene, it would be very interesting to confront this with what we think so far.
Thank you both for your answers :giggle:
Glad I could help :) but like I've mentioned before I'm still convinced hutch is working some angle in the background I just don't know what yet
 

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I understand the sentiment, but I do not think it safely can be said that Christian has exposed Vivian "for the slut she always was." Currently, her 22 years of marriage and how her typical behavior during this time has been characterized do not evidence this. It is possible that more could be revealed to go against this characterization (as being false or a front), but as of now I do not see this without interpreting/speculating beyond the available evidence.
simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
 

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simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
That bit annoyed me slightly as they came up with the "plan" and she essentially went fuck that plan shortly after meeting him Il just fuck him instead for hutch to keep his job

Tho even then I'm not convinced he was getting fired sure even after Vivian fucks him he still puts hutch into a new job role anyway so that could of been what he was gonna do the entire time , but Vivian got impatient and jumped the gun so we won't know
 

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Glad I could help :) but like I've mentioned before I'm still convinced hutch is working some angle in the background I just don't know what yet
The guy doesn't give me at all the vibe of someone having any kind of plan ; but if he actually is, then color me pleasantly surprised.
Never would've seen it coming from him. I hope you're right about that.:giggle:
 

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The guy doesn't give me at all the vibe of someone having any kind of plan ; but if he actually is, then color me pleasantly surprised.
Never would've seen it coming from him. I hope you're right about that.:giggle:
The reason I've always thought it is because they say he will always consider all angles , not impulsive and isnt quick tempered or something like that , but they also mention that he is good with money and numbers so there's that the only theory I have is that he's going to rob Christian and financially cripple him and his business haha
 

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That bit annoyed me slightly as they came up with the "plan" and she essentially went fuck that plan shortly after meeting him Il just fuck him instead for hutch to keep his job

Tho even then I'm not convinced he was getting fired sure even after Vivian fucks him he still puts hutch into a new job role anyway so that could of been what he was gonna do the entire time , but Vivian got impatient and jumped the gun so we won't know
I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
 

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I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
I agree the way I see it is he knows what happened and he knows who is at fault , if he was truly going to fire him why send him home early to then discuss the matter in the morning like if he had of genuinely came to the conclusion that he was going to fire hutch why not just do it there and then , as it's not like he had insider knowledge that Vivian was going to visit him in the morning , so what would he of actually gained by doing it in the morning , I just don't see what his game plan with that would of been
 

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I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
(do i look okay?) in the dress the boss bought for her to wear while she asks that question to hutch.. the card reading (cant wait to see you tonight) knowing hutch has no clue the boss bought it for her and hid the box an card .. she knew right there what the boss wanted and was prepared to give it him .. whats even worse she is asking her husband how she looks in a dress another man bought for her to wear.. marinate on that for a minute.
 

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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
 
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