TheDuke9999

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I understand the sentiment, but I do not think it safely can be said that Christian has exposed Vivian "for the slut she always was." Currently, her 22 years of marriage and how her typical behavior during this time has been characterized do not evidence this. It is possible that more could be revealed to go against this characterization (as being false or a front), but as of now I do not see this without interpreting/speculating beyond the available evidence.
simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
 

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simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
That bit annoyed me slightly as they came up with the "plan" and she essentially went fuck that plan shortly after meeting him Il just fuck him instead for hutch to keep his job

Tho even then I'm not convinced he was getting fired sure even after Vivian fucks him he still puts hutch into a new job role anyway so that could of been what he was gonna do the entire time , but Vivian got impatient and jumped the gun so we won't know
 

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Glad I could help :) but like I've mentioned before I'm still convinced hutch is working some angle in the background I just don't know what yet
The guy doesn't give me at all the vibe of someone having any kind of plan ; but if he actually is, then color me pleasantly surprised.
Never would've seen it coming from him. I hope you're right about that.:giggle:
 

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The guy doesn't give me at all the vibe of someone having any kind of plan ; but if he actually is, then color me pleasantly surprised.
Never would've seen it coming from him. I hope you're right about that.:giggle:
The reason I've always thought it is because they say he will always consider all angles , not impulsive and isnt quick tempered or something like that , but they also mention that he is good with money and numbers so there's that the only theory I have is that he's going to rob Christian and financially cripple him and his business haha
 

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That bit annoyed me slightly as they came up with the "plan" and she essentially went fuck that plan shortly after meeting him Il just fuck him instead for hutch to keep his job

Tho even then I'm not convinced he was getting fired sure even after Vivian fucks him he still puts hutch into a new job role anyway so that could of been what he was gonna do the entire time , but Vivian got impatient and jumped the gun so we won't know
I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
 

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I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
I agree the way I see it is he knows what happened and he knows who is at fault , if he was truly going to fire him why send him home early to then discuss the matter in the morning like if he had of genuinely came to the conclusion that he was going to fire hutch why not just do it there and then , as it's not like he had insider knowledge that Vivian was going to visit him in the morning , so what would he of actually gained by doing it in the morning , I just don't see what his game plan with that would of been
 

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I thought that too. Christian may not have fired Hutch because he knew who lost the accounts and why ( He DID ) ! so as you said Vivian jumped the gun. But he does use the excuse later that if she does not do the project.... he doesn't need them and others maybe....
(do i look okay?) in the dress the boss bought for her to wear while she asks that question to hutch.. the card reading (cant wait to see you tonight) knowing hutch has no clue the boss bought it for her and hid the box an card .. she knew right there what the boss wanted and was prepared to give it him .. whats even worse she is asking her husband how she looks in a dress another man bought for her to wear.. marinate on that for a minute.
 

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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
 
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(do i look okay?) in the dress the boss bought for her to wear while she asks that question to hutch.. the card reading (cant wait to see you tonight) knowing hutch has no clue the boss bought it for her and hid the box an card .. she knew right there what the boss wanted and was prepared to give it him .. whats even worse she is asking her husband how she looks in a dress another man bought for her to wear.. marinate on that for a minute.
I 100% agree on this , I would maybe even say she's decided earlier than that

What annoyed me the most was there was so many red flags or warning bells , like hutch out and out says like he wants her to have nothing to do with the people he works with because of what they are like , hell Christian drops the biggest warning of all by saying we always thought hutch had made you up , now I don't know about anyone else but if I was in that situation my mind would be saying well my husband has gone out of his way to keep me separate from his work life and he's told me why so I should probably believe him , but silly Vivian thinks she holds all the power and cards and is this master tactician and goes a head and doesn't even give a second thought about what hutch had said to her , that was one of the big things that annoyed me about her character
 
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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
Sure in the car she out and out says he might try and do some inappropriate things to "throw you off your game" and she's like just don't let it bother you
 

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...if he was truly going to fire him why send him home early to then discuss the matter in the morning like if he had of genuinely came to the conclusion that he was going to fire hutch why not just do it there and then , as it's not like he had insider knowledge that Vivian was going to visit him in the morning , so what would he of actually gained by doing it in the morning , I just don't see what his game plan with that would of been
You're reading too much into it. Sometimes it's just being used to give a character an entry to the scene.

I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
You forgot to add that Christian told her in the morning if she is not there the dinner is off.
 

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You're reading too much into it. Sometimes it's just being used to give a character an entry to the scene.
I would say given some of the theory's that have been posted this one is completely justified and I don't personally think I'm reading into that much but guess what that's my choice to do so and not yours
 
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simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
I do not disagree with you on that. It was clear from before it happened and after it happened that Hutch did not want Vivian to make the choice she did, even to supposedly save his job. He warned her about how Christian is and said that he did not want to grovel for his job, and of course he was devastated by what he saw and asked how they could do that to him. I have nothing to say that would altogether excuse Vivian. The only thing I can say in her defense (which is a weak defense and only a partial mitigation) is that I think she initiated contact with his boss with good intentions, but she quickly went from thinking that she could handle the situation to being handled by his boss.
 

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You forgot to add that Christian told her in the morning if she is not there the dinner is off.
Precisely. All else taken off the table, she (at this point) thought Christian was testing her by telling Hutch to leave her behind. She had been told it was off unless she was there, so she had no choice but to go or, in her mind, Hutch would be out of a job. So it was a test to see if she could overcome this, and if she would overcome it, to go regardless.

I thought that was one of the really neat parts of the game actually, coupled with the "oh shit" realisation that it was actually a test of Hutch, not of her.
 

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Well, you asked why and I told you because of your wild theories.
DEV could have used an office party to give Vivian her stage and ignore Huutch trying to keep her away from those but instead DEV used the next morning.
Nowhere in that text do I out and out ask for someone elses opinions , and if you think you think my theories are wild you need to get your eyes tested I'm afraid as there is far worse , but enough of that your boring me now with your attempts to shit stir :)
 

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Ooooo I've hooked a feisty one hahaha, honestly if punctuation is the worst thing you can come at me with go absolutely mad , as I couldn't care less so have fun :)
 

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Since you asked again and i'll answer honestly. Your behavior clearly shows your lack of intelligence and also casts doubt on your age. ;)
And that's your opinion, so like I've said before have fun each to there own what ever does it for you my man I'm not here to shame anyone regardless of what they are into :)
 
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