VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Dealbreaker]

she cucked her husband and her son and was smiling all the way thru it. she loves it and she is going to bring the pain soon. god i love that woman.

TheDukes messages are getting more and more refined - shorter, more condensed, almost poetic phrasing, while the content has an accelerating, apocalyptic vibe. I like it.

 

[Luc77]

I wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

 

[Dealbreaker]

wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

Yes, as I understand it, it's a comprehensive concept of cheating or cucking which includes the (male) children as well, which I have seen elswhere, too. I've never viewed it that way before and have never thought about it, that a mother is kind of cucking her son if she cheats (although there is no incest at play). It certainly plays a role in swearing and bullying language (I'll fuck your mother). It's an honor-thing I guess.

 

[Luc77]

this is very strange to me
so if a man cheats on his wife, it means he also cheats on his daughter (if he has one)...

 

[TheDuke9999]

TheDukes messages are getting more and more refined - shorter, more condensed, almost poetic phrasing, while the content has an accelerating, apocalyptic vibe. I like it.

 

[TheDuke9999]

I wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

i guess im thinking what a pig of a mother she is while she yells at her son and her sons friends face is planted between her jugs.. god i love that woman such a good mom an wife.

 

[Luc77]

definitely an alter ego

 

[Sparta VI]

Yes, as I understand it, it's a comprehensive concept of cheating or cucking which includes the (male) children as well, which I have seen elswhere, too. I've never viewed it that way before and have never thought about it, that a mother is kind of cucking her son if she cheats (although there is no incest at play). It certainly plays a role in swearing and bullying language (I'll fuck your mother). It's an honor-thing I guess.

This is more common in Japanese ntr stories. But it's not cuckolding. The best explanation I've ever seen about NTR is that it's not about the fetishization of cuckolding, it's about the fetishization of loss.
And I suspect that's what this story will be about.

 

[Dealbreaker]

The best explanation I've ever seen about NTR is that it's not about the fetishization of cuckolding, it's about the fetishization of loss.

Yes, that's how I would understand it as well: NTR and NTS are loss captured and prolongated in extreme slow motion, expanded into a process, step by step and always anticipated, thought about, felt through by the MC every small step of the way. That's why NTR NTS can't exist without the idea of possessiveness. Whereas sharing and swinging is based on the very idea of non-possessiveness, or at least the utmost relaxation of possessive feelings which are seen as almost intolerant.

And to what end all that? Because the feeling of loss intensifies the feeling of the worth of the lost or endangered object/person in the extreme - that is the logic of the eroticization here. It becomes unbearably desirable during that process.

 

[Sparta VI]

Yes, that's how I would understand it as well: NTR and NTS are loss captured and prolongated in extreme slow motion, expanded into a process, step by step and always anticipated, thought about, felt through by the MC every small step of the way. That's why NTR NTS can't exist without the idea of possessiveness. Whereas sharing and swinging is based on the very idea of non-possessiveness, or at least the utmost relaxation of possessive feelings which are seen as almost intolerant.

And to what end all that? Because the feeling of loss intensifies the feeling of the worth of the lost or endangered object/person in the extreme - that is the logic of the eroticization here. It becomes unbearably desirable during that process.

Yes, I agree. A big focus is on the destruction of the marriage leading to the fetishization of loss. A big part of those games is getting off to the pain and loss that the protagonist is subjected to. It goes beyond corruption and into a sort of sadism or masochism, depending on how you relate to the protagonist. I've seen a few people actually say they feel guilty after getting off to a loss centered NTR story, the post nut clarity can hit really bad if the writing is good.
It is heavy fare and not suitable for everyone, as it leaves a deep punch in the stomach.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Yes she knows he is a introvert and pushover. And to me it also shows she doesn't respect him or trust into his ability.

i don't think introverts are pushover. or being introverted leads to becoming a pushover.

Did Hutch give her away to Christian when he repeatedly told her that he didn't want her to go to his boss' home with him?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he warned her again and again about what kind of man he is on the drive to his home and then told her that he wanted to leave soon after they arrived, as he had no desire to grovel for his job?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she (the big girl who can take care of herself) decided to drop her panties in the boss' backyard and allow him to hit it from the back?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he said that he wanted to leave his boss' home without eating dinner, repeatedly asked his wife if something happened (which she denied), again insisted on leaving after dinner, and then objected to her sleeping in the same bed as his boss, even grabbing her by the arm at one point, to which she characteristically responded not to worry and that she's a big girl and can take care of herself?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she insisted that she was going to visit the office only to tell him she would not work for him yet instead again had quite active/involved sex with him and then still agreed to work for him by attending a "business" meeting/dinner and further said that she'd have to convince Hutch to let her do it?

I notice that some in this thread keep harping on Hutch about him not acting more aggressively/forcefully and perhaps even violently toward his boss. However, should Hutch as a loving husband have to resort to doing such things to get his loyal wife of 22 years to agree with him or follow his lead?

Why did his wife choose to contradict and oppose him every step of the way, starting with accompanying him to his boss' home (in effect doing what she thought his boss wanted her to do instead of listening to her husband)?

Why did his wife not back him up when he repeatedly voiced wanting to leave his boss' home and not beg for his job, which he did both before and after the backyard incident?

Why did his wife agree to sleep in the same bed as his boss, knowing what had already happened in the backyard, and even after her husband grabbed her by the arm and tried to restrain her from going?

Why did his wife again have sex with his boss after she had insisted the previous night that she was only visiting the office the next day to tell his boss that she would not work for him, and then after all that, ultimately agreed to work with him anyway and said she'd have to convince her husband to let her do it?

Yeah, sure, one way of seeing it is that Hutch decided to give his wife away to Christian (temporarily) when they sat down at home and finally had a somewhat honest conversation about what had happened and how she felt about it.

However, another way of seeing it is that Vivian had already given herself to his boss repeatedly across the span of two days after she previously insisted each time that she was perfectly capable of handling herself if his boss acted inappropriately.

Vivian says one thing and does another thing; she then lies about it when directly asked and would've continued to lie if she hadn't been caught; and while at home with Hutch, she acts like she wants to flee the town with him after she just told his boss earlier (post-sex) that she'd have to get him to agree to let her go to a "business" meeting/dinner with him.

So okay, maybe Vivian wants Hutch to show her that he as her husband desires her and wants to protect her. However, it seems that he tried to do that, at least in his own way, though perhaps more of an angry outburst or physical confrontation was needed to sufficiently claim his wife, the wife with whom he had traded vows with long ago and raised a son currently attending college. On the other hand, maybe Hutch wants Vivian as his wife to show him that she of her own volition can be trusted, honest, and faithful, not because he has to pressure or mate guard her into doing it, but because that's what she really wants. Yes, Hutch told her that he was willing to give her what he thinks she wants but is unwilling to admit to him, but he also told her that what happens or does not happen is up to her (as it was from the start before she chose to give herself to his boss, which granted she likely was initially coerced into doing, but then went quite a ways beyond that).

nice summary of the views of vivian and hutch. but the devil is in the details... and the devil here is christian manipulating couple.
it's already chaotic to jump between the views of the couple but when you mix the manipulations of the boss it become more volatile.
i agree that to your thoughts but the phrasing can be improved in my opinion... like trading vows(it sounds transactional).... i think it should be made(more like building something)...y do people repeatedly focus on the one side of the do it dont it part of the conversation. as well worded as your views are think you should have posted the views of the couple when hutch said those words. i know the post would be even longer if you add those views but it does have importance.
as i said before vivian may have done it with the best of intentions but she became a cheater during the course of the story. now it's just a matter of time if the cheater chooses the path leading to becoming a good wife or be consumed by her awakened sexuality. so far all roads point to vivian choosing to be giving in to her awakened sexuality.

To be clear, I'm not arguing for a position that I would have taken if faced with that situation. I may be more of an introvert (like Hutch in some ways), but I have a hell of a lot of fire and fury lurking inside of me that certainly would have been made apparent real quick if I had witnessed that shit go down.

My point is to be more of a devil's advocate in defense of Hutch, as a bit of pushback against what I perceive as too much taking up for Vivian as his wife and placing an undue amount of blame or responsibility on Hutch as her husband, despite no one having acted ideally given the circumstances.

as said before i don't think there is any blame to be placed on hutch. it's just the opinions of the new posters who haven't read the older posts in this thread voicing their views. not taking sides but yes there is enough blame to go around and SC Stories posts imply that hutch is the main character among the multiple protagonist..... vivian and christian are secondary. even if the story so far gives vivian more screen time ( don't know how else to word it). SC Stories post about the readers getting what they want from update 3(0.6) tells us that thats where to meat of the story will presented. which will i hope answer the various views/opinions/theories.

At a certain age, experience - you already know that certain actions do not make sense. WHAT will be will be. If not Chris, then it will be someone else. She has to decide. He will draw (or not) the consequences.

as a man i don't think any should be dealing with the consequences of their spouses actions. this may sound bashful but in my opinion a good wife must follows the husbands lead even if there are marital problems. screw age and experience... it's just seems like an excuse to give up on the relationship.
what will be will be is .... forgive me but seems like a cowards way of making excuses. i know hutch's actions align more with that statement in his actions in the story but he was forced into those choices by vivian(from her words and actions). not because he wanted to but because he was forced into it. that's how i see it.

sorry luc just had to say my thoughts didn't mean to opposes your views in such a way.

 

[psychedevil]

nice summary of the views of vivian and hutch. but the devil is in the details... and the devil here is christian manipulating couple. it's already chaotic to jump between the views of the couple but when you mix the manipulations of the boss it become more volatile. i agree that to your thoughts but the phrasing can be improved in my opinion... like trading vows(it sounds transactional)

I am not disputing that the villain of this story is Christian, the husband's boss. If not for his manipulations (which he has done to many couples apparently), then none of this would have happened.

However, I must take issue with you taking issue with my use of the phrasing "trading vows." When I do a Google search for "trade exchange vows", the AI Overview returns the following:

"In a wedding ceremony, "trading or exchanging vows" refers to the couple making promises of love, commitment, and faithfulness to each other, typically followed by the exchange of rings."

I will admit that "exchanging vows" is more commonly used, but "trading" and "exchanging" are synonyms. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word in this usage, outside of the context of a business transaction. However, even the word "transaction" is not necessarily business-related; transaction can also mean "an exchange or interaction between people" (Oxford Dictionary).

 

[TheDuke9999]

the best part of this VN is they are all villians , they are all at fault and depending on are own life experiences and we choose who to support based from that.. again i say ... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... now vivian better get back with my money , i got that hoe on the grind for me . i need to make a house payment ..

 

[Hattyrulz]

I will admit that "exchanging vows" is more commonly used, but "trading" and "exchanging" are synonyms. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word in this usage, outside of the context of a business transaction. However, even the word "transaction" is not necessarily business-related; transaction can also mean "an exchange or interaction between people" (Oxford Dictionary).

not disputing the wording just voicing my thoughts.... as you missed the later part of my quote ....made vows to each other is in my view to build something together... yes i agree that exchange of vows and trading vows is commonly used but when i did the vows with my wife i asked the priest to word it so... as we were building something together. not refuting or opposing your words. just my opinion on it.

the best part of this VN is they are all villians , they are all at fault and depending on are own life experiences and we choose who to support based from that.. again i say ... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... now vivian better get back with my money , i got that hoe on the grind for me . i need to make a house payment ..

i used the phrase first...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... you need to pay me royalty or send vivian over for some payment.

 

[Luc77]

this may sound bashful but in my opinion a good wife must follows the husbands lead

yea, you're really old-fashioned...

 

[Hattyrulz]

yea, you're really old-fashioned...

i'm not a dictator mind you, i would respect my wife's opinions and took them into consideration... the bottomline... follow my lead. plain and simple. maybe i am and thats y this story's writing triggers me sometimes.

 

[yourmomma]

I just started playing this game and it's beautiful. Vivian is an emotional hot mess. Hutch is weak and easily manipulated. Christian is the fucking man that recognized the weakness in their bond and completely took advantage of it like a boss and his super dick is awakening Vivian's slutty side ( we can only assume she has repressed daddy issues he's going to swing the doors wide open on ) and she's gonna fuck everyone and cuck her son in the process as well. And the way it's written is friggin hilarious and you can kind of identify with Christian, because those two ( Hutch and Vivian ) are just sad and don't have their shit together. The tension is executed really well for such a short seduction phase from Christian, who basically just sent Vivian a dress, said some kind words, showed her his pool and oops his dick is inside her. Team Christian for the win.

" No don't, but omg your dick is magic. Stop, don't stop...ASSHOLE.....please keep going "

I just hope Hutch hooks up with Addison as a consolation prize via a pitty fuck.

What a gloriously beautiful slow rolling train wreck this is going to be lol

 

[TheDuke9999]

not disputing the wording just voicing my thoughts.... as you missed the later part of my quote ....made vows to each other is in my view to build something together... yes i agree that exchange of vows and trading vows is commonly used but when i did the vows with my wife i asked the priest to word it so... as we were building something together. not refuting or opposing your words. just my opinion on it.

i used the phrase first...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... you need to pay me royalty or send vivian over for some payment.

well i hate to send a hoe over on an empty stomach so i am going to feed her real quick then send her on a bus to your place.. just wash her first before you send the pig back please and no refunds.

 

[JoeBlogs]

The problem starts right there with her stating sex is HIS love language (in other words: not hers) and her engaging in it in order to show himsomething to communicate with him (in other words not for the sake of enjoyable and exciting sex itself but as a therapeutic and manipulative tool). Then again there will be people saying this is "good for the relationship". No, it's the attitude which led to where they are - leaving her wanting another kind of sex, exactly that kind she has with the boss, whcih is the opposite of a love language, at last not a burden, not a communicative tool to soothe a husband and his emotional needs but just raw sex. In this sense that quote is a further clue to her sexual awakening, it shows two kinds and meanings of sex for her.

I can see your point, but there isn't any direct mention on what her love language is, so we shouldn't automatically assume that Hutch does not do it for her. I think the way she is head over heals for him even in her sick twisted and demented ways, shows that Hutch is providing her with the emotional connection she desires.

This thing with Christian is physical mostly for now, she is beginning to like it, and be friendly with him, but I dont think it is on an emotional level yet, it is still a release for her lust. If it starts getting emotional while still being physical, then that's when the shit's over.

 

[psychedevil]

I just hope Hutch hooks up with Addison as a consolation prize via a pitty fuck.

I would be greatly disappointed if Addison doesn't end up playing a major role in the story. She's young and hot and can be a bit of a rude girl but obviously has a sweet longing for Hutch. I mean, damn, she was more genuinely flirtatious with Hutch than his own wife, essentially telling him to let her know if she can do anything for him...anything at all.