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In other words, everyone here, myself included, rationalizes our perspectives on these characters and on the issue of infidelity.
All true. But from my perspective on the thread a the moment it's not so much about individuals and their experiences (which tend to be respected always and by all sides, and rightly so), but if these immediately get embedded in readymade, partly age-old sociio-political narratives, mostly liberal and also more conservative ones. This happens more clearly by the day. But maybe we should all agree, that we should not get into these territories regarding the context (and harmony!) of this forum, and this demands restraint, and here I'm including myself of course. I've already supressed temptations to engage which were almost as strong as the ones we all are here for.
 
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I've already written about this – infidelity is so widespread in societies, especially Western ones, that condemning anyone for it is pure hypocrisy. The difference in how infidelity is treated depending on whether it's committed by a man or a woman is particularly striking.


I'm afraid most of the people on this forum don't truly understand the issue – simply because they lack experience in (long-term) relationships. A well-fed person will never understand a hungry one.


Even – according to strict commandments (e.g., Puritan ones, which are so close to Anglo-Saxon culture) – merely being present on this forum could be considered a form of infidelity.
 
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I've already written about this – infidelity is so widespread in societies, especially Western ones, that condemning anyone for it is pure hypocrisy. The difference in how infidelity is treated depending on whether it's committed by a man or a woman is particularly striking.


I'm afraid most of the people on this forum don't truly understand the issue – simply because they lack experience in (long-term) relationships. A well-fed person will never understand a hungry one.


Even – according to strict commandments (e.g., Puritan ones, which are so close to Anglo-Saxon culture) – merely being present on this forum could be considered a form of infidelity.
Honest question: do you really want a debate about this or do you just want to state you opinion? Because sometimes (and with good reasons) you admonish us to stay close to the game.
 
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No evidence for that whattsoever in the game. That's what I mean with evoking ready-made narratives which have no basis.
No woman will go to another man's arms if she is not satisfied by her husband. Yes, maybe this is cheating or worse, and I am definitely not advocating it. It is not very ethical, but you cannot change the habitat of a woman and a man. This is my opinian, there is 8 billion people on earth and we see one of them in this fictional noval.
 

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I've already written about this – infidelity is so widespread in societies, especially Western ones, that condemning anyone for it is pure hypocrisy. The difference in how infidelity is treated depending on whether it's committed by a man or a woman is particularly striking.


I'm afraid most of the people on this forum don't truly understand the issue – simply because they lack experience in (long-term) relationships. A well-fed person will never understand a hungry one.


Even – according to strict commandments (e.g., Puritan ones, which are so close to Anglo-Saxon culture) – merely being present on this forum could be considered a form of infidelity.
Not to get technical here, but the Puritans were not indicative of Anglo-Saxon culture. They were an evangelical Protestant movement that briefly held positions of power for about about twelve years until the Restoration in 1660. After which they became increasingly marginalized because they were annoying as fuck (ok, that is a distillation of popular thought at the time.) After 1660, morals reverted back to Anglo-Saxon norms (infidelity, just don’t get caught.)
 

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BTW - I'm no fan of Puritanism either. At least on this one point we could find consensus.
it wasn't a comment for you(yours comment) ;)

Not to get technical here, but the Puritans were not indicative of Anglo-Saxon culture. They were an evangelical Protestant movement that briefly held positions of power for about about twelve years until the Restoration in 1660. After which they became increasingly marginalized because they were annoying as fuck (ok, that is a distillation of popular thought at the time.) After 1660, morals reverted back to Anglo-Saxon norms (infidelity, just don’t get caught.)
of course, you are right - but this is an example
at the same time, we are currently seeing the growth of such behaviors among certain Western societies (e.g. the USA)

After 1660, morals reverted back to Anglo-Saxon norms (infidelity, just don’t get caught.)
drink alcohol but under a tree (Islam) ;)
 
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Hey hey hey, what are those videos pinned in your comment?

What a great animation. Does anyone know the name of this game or video?
They're short animated clips

The 3D animators are "Polished Jade Bell" on the left (Kiriko and DVA from Overwatch) and other random shots and the right is "Bamh3d" (Ahri character from KDA)
 

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Not to get technical here, but the Puritans were not indicative of Anglo-Saxon culture. They were an evangelical Protestant movement that briefly held positions of power for about about twelve years until the Restoration in 1660. After which they became increasingly marginalized because they were annoying as fuck (ok, that is a distillation of popular thought at the time.) After 1660, morals reverted back to Anglo-Saxon norms (infidelity, just don’t get caught.)
Right, always good to be reminded of the historical facts. But by means of the Pilgrim Fathers (same period) that had enormous influence on America which is included in "Anglo" here. And there is also this non-technical very wide meaning of the term, mostly derogative referring to strict, narrow-minded, sectarian and fanatic moral attitudes. And historically this term has been mainly used by continental european, culturally and historically catholic countries to distance themselves from that (Anglos but also Protestants at large). It's an interesting divide in moral attitudes. And I think it's still usable for moral crusaders of a certain sort.
 

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Right, always good to be reminded of the historical facts. But by means of the Pilgrim Fathers (same period) that had enormous influence on America which is included in "Anglo" here. And there is also this non-technical very wide meaning of the term, mostly derogative referring to strict, narrow-minded, sectarian and fanatic moral attitudes. And historically this term has been mainly used by continental european, culturally and historically catholic countries to distance themselves from that (Anglos but also Protestants at large). It's an interesting divide in moral attitudes. And I think it's still usable for moral crusaders of a certain sort.
True, I get your point. Puritans, and their moral compass, did play an outsized roll in early America…at least until the mid 18th century. Ben Franklin, for example, reportedly banged anything that moved in Paris…I believe he was the template for old fart lecher that nails all the LIs in these games. I could be wrong.
 
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Looking into the last batch of imagens from Dev, I was really into the one that Viv is kissing a women. What if it is really Addison? In that case I imagined a uber pain route for Hutch, as follows. As Viv is progressively giving into lust, Hutch goes deep and deep into abbys, to a turning point that starts to overcome all the pain from Viv, even though it is deep marked into his soul. He needs help and accepts to start lunching and then dating Addisson. However, Addy is not completely honest with Hutch as she has been fucking with her uncle. And Hucth finds outs the hardest way when he gets home a bit early and find Chirtian , Viv and Addison in a hard threesome, funking like rabbits and dirty talking on how Christian is a much better lover.
 
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