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I think it tried to show Hutch's human side!! Otherwise he shows very little emotion through these 2 chapters. The backyard scene was too much a shock to him to have a reaction but the bedroom where Vivian shuts him down of his concern before going in, he may have thought the backyard was a mistake or something but when he heard things from the bedroom he clearly understood his marriage is over or not what it seems or in future it won't be the same. the killing of the marriage was what brought out his emotion one time.



The sad part is she also knows this and that is why she still wants to be with Hutch I think as her actions led me believe she don't genuinely love him only saw him as a placeholder and a safe place.
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You know the main thing that has always bothered me (even before she knew that hutch knew) she does such a piss poor job at trying to hide the affair or at least not put herself in positions to get caught , like from what I can remember any sex scenes or acts are all in high risk environments it's something I've never been able to wrap my head around she my as well write a book on how not to get away with your affair :ROFLMAO:
 
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The sad part is she also knows this and that is why she still wants to be with Hutch I think as her actions led me believe she don't genuinely love him only saw him as a placeholder and a safe place.
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Well, Macrone is one of a kind—there’s no way Vi could keep Chris’s interest for long. She’s only two years younger than me ;)
 
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i agree but vivian is as they say caught up in the moment not thinking . she is just reacting to each moment not caring about consequences. question is will there be any consequences?
Out of the 9 encounters with Christian she may have caught up in the moment not thinking in the first 3 but after that I think she concisely choose to be with him. Specially the 8th time where she swore she won't have sex with him anymore but created a situation so she can have him.
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And nope I don't think there will any consequences for her, people around her may suffer and that may cause her to suffer or reflect on her actions. (I have a take on that will post later)
 

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I also has a take on Sunshine and Rain arc, though I agree with most I like to think the arc has 3 part (I am not sure if dev intended that way).

First before the pickup, I felt that Sunshine was too compliant with Vi here even though she shut her about not blame Hutch but in a indirect way always puts blame on Hutch but never blamed Vi. She is like "you go girl". I mean She can't possibly give advice like "shut your legs or you'll go to hell" I mean she is here to pick her up so she can fuck her.

Second after all the sex, here she is woman sympathizing with another woman, trying her to understand her desires, wants and needs and giving her a shoulder to cry to vent. Making her realize how to save her marriage (though she failed miserably)

Third in the morning, I think it is here where she gives her some good advice, how to spice her sex life with Hutch etc.
 

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Hutch does know the wine she likes. Maybe he know about the story maybe not. Question is how did Christian know. I think he asked Hutch before the dinner . As for who is the cigarette' man ? It could be anyone! The story has not evolved that far yet .
he knows about it but doesn't know the reason for vivian liking it... common ffs. does no one read the text in conversations... vivian tells christian that the reason she likes it is cos of the cigarette man in her past. go replay the dinner conversation packard1928 its clearly explained there about it all.and if you connect it with the conversation at the stylist and some parts of sunshine and rain event you get a clear picture of how vivian was a hoe in the past. she was just acting the good housewife.

The sad part is she also knows this and that is why she still wants to be with Hutch I think as her actions led me believe she don't genuinely love him only saw him as a placeholder and a safe place.
have to agree with you on that... hutch was never the end for her as seen from how she monologues going to the bar and the conversation at the bar to see if she is still marketable :sneaky: ;) which obviously christian took advantage of when he go the chance not leaving room for TheDuke9999 to swoop in.:ROFLMAO:

she was a hoe and now she is reverting back to her natural hoeness:LOL:
 

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About the DARK ENDING, I have gone through few pages and I think nobody or very few said this.

What if all her actions and Hutch's inaction end up their son being bullied (to me the twins and marcel seemed like a bully) and he ends himself. and Hutch may kill Christian and go to jail or ends up full crazy. And she is left alone sane and with immense pain.
or Hutch becomes a crazy cuck who jerks off seeing her getting humiliated by others (which Vi thinks 100% sure he is not). Till now she thinks he hates her but through his action it'll be now confirmed that he genuinely hates her now. She will have to keep working for the company which is now owned by someone different (Christian is now penniless). The thrill and excitement, the power and freedom she felt as a whore isn't there anymore. She just has to go through with it as a tedious job and return to a home where love is missing and only hate remains. Out of guilt she won't leave Hutch or the arrangement. AS THIS HELL WAS OF HER OWN MAKING.
 

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I also has a take on Sunshine and Rain arc, though I agree with most I like to think the arc has 3 part (I am not sure if dev intended that way).

First before the pickup, I felt that Sunshine was too compliant with Vi here even though she shut her about not blame Hutch but in a indirect way always puts blame on Hutch but never blamed Vi. She is like "you go girl". I mean She can't possibly give advice like "shut your legs or you'll go to hell" I mean she is here to pick her up so she can fuck her.

Second after all the sex, here she is woman sympathizing with another woman, trying her to understand her desires, wants and needs and giving her a shoulder to cry to vent. Making her realize how to save her marriage (though she failed miserably)

Third in the morning, I think it is here where she gives her some good advice, how to spice her sex life with Hutch etc.
I think her whole approach was great, Viv's just too far gone. She swooped in, empathized enough to have each let their guards down, related to her. Listened, but then gave gentle suggestions for a route of her predicament. I don't think you could have a better salesman in that instance.

Unfortunately, this kind of story is kinda constrained by its conclusion - while it'd be entirely realistic for Viv to turn over a new leaf after meeting Sunshine, go home and have a heart to heart with Hutch- have him quit his job and cut Christian out completely-perhaps moving to a new location..... that would require multiple chapters worth of new story, new assets, and a fundamental shift in tone.
 

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I think her whole approach was great, Viv's just too far gone. She swooped in, empathized enough to have each let their guards down, related to her. Listened, but then gave gentle suggestions for a route of her predicament. I don't think you could have a better salesman in that instance.

Unfortunately, this kind of story is kinda constrained by its conclusion - while it'd be entirely realistic for Viv to turn over a new leaf after meeting Sunshine, go home and have a heart to heart with Hutch- have him quit his job and cut Christian out completely-perhaps moving to a new location..... that would require multiple chapters worth of new story, new assets, and a fundamental shift in tone.
or we have all been looking at sunshine and rain event wrong .... but what if.... it was all christian setting it up....we know he is a manipulator. and in regards to the anal cherry.... maybe its his way of prepping vivian for the his backdoor access. since we know that christian has done this to many couples... sunshine and rain might just one of them.
 

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You know the main thing that has always bothered me (even before she knew that hutch knew) she does such a piss poor job at trying to hide the affair or at least not put herself in positions to get caught , like from what I can remember any sex scenes or acts are all in high risk environments it's something I've never been able to wrap my head around she my as well write a book on how not to get away with your affair
I don't think there is more meaning to the scenes other than trying to making it hot, some JAV sites has category like "behind/beside husband" where the wife will get fucked behind the husband (a few inches behind) while he drinks tea and will never look back or suspect anything. They are all ridiculous and funny.

But just to take a deep meaning behind this is she subconsciously knew she can get caught and the thrill of it made it more euphoric for her I guess. Otherwise who would have in their right mind fuck in lawn fully naked, if she was dressed and kind of discreet it may have made little sense. But I think it's to show how much of a slave she is when Christian is involved.

she was a hoe and now she is reverting back to her natural hoeness
Well, Macrone is one of a kind—there’s no way Vi could keep Chris’s interest for long. She’s only two years younger than me
I would like to know when did her mother gave her the advice. Was it before she passed as a top graduate of hoeness or after. Like every other thing she took the advice and play it in her mind the wrong way.
 
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or we have all been looking at sunshine and rain event wrong .... but what if.... it was all christian setting it up....we know he is a manipulator. and in regards to the anal cherry.... maybe its his way of prepping vivian for the his backdoor access. since we know that christian has done this to many couples... sunshine and rain might just one of them.
I don't think so... how did Christian know she would be at that bar at that time ? Also, Christian as we have seen is a dominate lover... if he wanted it bad enough.. he would take it. He doesn't care what Vivian thinks.
 

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I think her whole approach was great, Viv's just too far gone. She swooped in, empathized enough to have each let their guards down, related to her. Listened, but then gave gentle suggestions for a route of her predicament. I don't think you could have a better salesman in that instance.

Unfortunately, this kind of story is kinda constrained by its conclusion - while it'd be entirely realistic for Viv to turn over a new leaf after meeting Sunshine, go home and have a heart to heart with Hutch- have him quit his job and cut Christian out completely-perhaps moving to a new location..... that would require multiple chapters worth of new story, new assets, and a fundamental shift in tone.
I get your point but for some reason I had mixed feelings about her intentions.
or we have all been looking at sunshine and rain event wrong .... but what if.... it was all christian setting it up....we know he is a manipulator. and in regards to the anal cherry.... maybe its his way of prepping vivian for the his backdoor access. since we know that christian has done this to many couples... sunshine and rain might just one of them.
Yep that could be the case also, as Sunshine never tried to say bad things about Christian. I sometimes felt she is praising him in subtle way.
 

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I don't think so... how did Christian know she would be at that bar at that time ? Also, Christian as we have seen is a dominate lover... if he wanted it bad enough.. he would take it. He doesn't care what Vivian thinks.
till the end of chapter 2 vivian was a cat on the wall on who she wants to be with.... so even if we know that christian can take whatever he wants from vivian it might have backfired..... dunno what logic the dev used but maybe he didn't want to rush it... as christian did this to many woman. just speculation on my part.

in regards to how christian knew where vivian was.. there can be many reasons.... as a single horny hoe at home what would she do. christian might have dealt with such women before. and he definitely knew she was horny for sex since she initiated the sex in the car and at the house.

the way the dialogues of christian tend to point that he knows that she is a slut/whore/hoe and he also knew how to exploit it as seen clearly in chapter 2.
 

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I don't think so... how did Christian know she would be at that bar at that time ? Also, Christian as we have seen is a dominate lover... if he wanted it bad enough.. he would take it. He doesn't care what Vivian thinks.
How did Zack from TTP and Luca from APBLU knows things. They are too smart, too cleaver. NO it's just plot armor :sneaky:
Like about the wine, it maybe just a perfect coincidence why PLOT ARMOR
 

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I also has a take on Sunshine and Rain arc, though I agree with most I like to think the arc has 3 part (I am not sure if dev intended that way).

First before the pickup, I felt that Sunshine was too compliant with Vi here even though she shut her about not blame Hutch but in a indirect way always puts blame on Hutch but never blamed Vi. She is like "you go girl". I mean She can't possibly give advice like "shut your legs or you'll go to hell" I mean she is here to pick her up so she can fuck her.

Second after all the sex, here she is woman sympathizing with another woman, trying her to understand her desires, wants and needs and giving her a shoulder to cry to vent. Making her realize how to save her marriage (though she failed miserably)

Third in the morning, I think it is here where she gives her some good advice, how to spice her sex life with Hutch etc.
Anyone else thinking the names sunshine and rain are more than just a coincidence?

After all rain is normally the build up to a storm where sunshine is normally what follows , now I get this could be a massive stretch but it just seems to coindental for it not to mean something
 

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or we have all been looking at sunshine and rain event wrong .... but what if.... it was all christian setting it up....we know he is a manipulator. and in regards to the anal cherry.... maybe its his way of prepping vivian for the his backdoor access. since we know that christian has done this to many couples... sunshine and rain might just one of them.
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For me, Hutch “is or should be” more consistent than the guy ready to accept everything and never say anything.

On the other hand, if the 3 episodes Vivian is “simply shaken in all directions and in all holes” without there being any consequences ... oh my god the end of this game will be long ...

Christian himself says that Hutch is not the voluble salesman but a calculator. A guy who does the background work without being in the spotlight. What's more, we see Hutch very distant from Vivian and often annoyed with a clenched fist.

Wouldn't he be “and that takes time in his head” obliged to react.

This kind of introverted character, incapable of reacting in the moment, is either forced to prepare a “plan” over a long period of time, or they endure, endure and explode suddenly, without anyone expecting it.
Yeah when you say "explode suddenly" it brings to mind William H. Macy's character "Little Bill" in that movie Boogie Nights.
 

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lets not forget the sequnece of events the led to vivian being a highly paid happy whore(prostitute is too classy a term for vivian at this point:LOL:).

she presented that idea to christian saying the client is have problems with his wife after she did a google search on her phone. deja vu anyone?? then she came up with an idea to dress up nice and meet the client even if the excuse was for a date with her husband. hutch seemed underdressed for the date... more like a tag along. then she is happy that she go paid for her idea working out. :sneaky: and having celebration with the her pimp.

anyone see any similarities?

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I haven't finished the update yet. I'm taking my time to understand and absorb everything. I understand Vivian's inner turmoil. I think everyone experiences it sooner or later. What bothers me and is making me change my mind about the story or game, whichever you prefer to call it, are the feelings I'm experiencing. It's the first time an erotic game has provoked so many negative feelings in me. Anger, hatred, contempt, etc. I want to see Christian dead. Not just dead, I want to see him suffer as he dies. At one point, I punched the table.
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Maybe it's better if I stop reading this story.
I wasn't able to finish it all at once. Had to take breaks from it for awhile through this playthrough and then come back to it. I understand your frustration. What's crazy is that I don't ever get too emotional about these types of games but I get an emotional response (frustration, anger, disappointment, etc.) just from reading some of these plot points as it moved along.
 
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