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The "talk" between Vivian and Hutch in the next chapter is going to be interesting. Where she will tell him that she's now with Christian, that she "belongs" to/with him. Or will she? Some of the spoiler screenshots for the next chapter seem to suggest that they may still be together?
If she does hopefully this can be a turning point for Hutch to realise that his marriage is over, it was the moment he saw them in the garden. For him to finally get some agency back in his life, instead of always letting everything happen around him.
Like I said before Vivian will be in for a rude awakening, when she finally realises that Christian is only using her. He will dump her after he gets what he wants, which is to ruin Hutch's life and their marriage.
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Interesting detail with this bit of dialogue: She sees it as a fight, as a comparison and she gives the prize, she determines the winner (it isn't the boss who states that but she is). It's that archaic (put this against the idea of sex as a harmless playground with equality and happiness for all), she as a woman decides it according to that paradigm in the end. And the winner gets her loyality (I'm with you) - equally archaic. It's not only a new bond but this new bond is necessarily a decision against the old one in terms of superiority.
Hutch probably thought he had left the battlefield 25 years ago, if he ever thought of it that way in the first place.
 
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The "talk" between Vivian and Hutch in the next chapter is going to be interesting. Where she will tell him that she's now with Christian, that she "belongs" to/with him. Or will she? Some of the spoiler screenshots for the next chapter seem to suggest that they may still be together?
If she does hopefully this can be a turning point for Hutch to realise that his marriage is over, it was the moment he saw them in the garden. For him to finally get some agency back in his life, instead of always letting everything happen around him.
Like I said before Vivian will be in for a rude awakening, when she finally realises that Christian is only using her. He will dump her after he gets what he wants, which is to ruin Hutch's life and their marriage.
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Yeah, I think that's one of the key points - they are not separating (yet) because they are clearly still together in previews for later scenes (unless that is just for show, but there would be no reason for that...). It could be a completely different talk, talking onboard some of Vivian's conversation with Sunshine. Can't wait to find out what is said either way though.
 
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The "talk" between Vivian and Hutch in the next chapter is going to be interesting. Where she will tell him that she's now with Christian, that she "belongs" to/with him. Or will she? Some of the spoiler screenshots for the next chapter seem to suggest that they may still be together?
If she does hopefully this can be a turning point for Hutch to realise that his marriage is over, it was the moment he saw them in the garden. For him to finally get some agency back in his life, instead of always letting everything happen around him.
Like I said before Vivian will be in for a rude awakening, when she finally realises that Christian is only using her. He will dump her after he gets what he wants, which is to ruin Hutch's life and their marriage.
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It will be wild if that conversation doesn't happen till Ch 5 as part of the finality. 3 and 4 everyone's mental state is established first before revelations. 2 things I want, After the talk with Christian she tells Hutch then she goes back and tells Christian she told Hutch. He is shocked and starts laughing It was just play talk I wasn't serious. Now that you are no longer with Hutch the thrill is gone. He keeps laughing. Vivian runs out to find Hutch is gone. Hutch knew his wifes past he had heard the rumors about her but did not care he still married her. During the talk he reveals he wished she revealed this to him herself he would have been fine exploring but she chose Christian and others to have the experiences with and he tells her she can go now be free.
 

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Yeah, I think that's one of the key points - they are not separating (yet) because they are clearly still together in previews for later scenes (unless that is just for show, but there would be no reason for that...). It could be a completely different talk, talking onboard some of Vivian's conversation with Sunshine. Can't wait to find out what is said either way though.
The other way I can see is that they agree to still live together for now, until they can split assets and tell their son Sawyer.
But she no longer hides the fact that she's now with Christian.
I feel like the party will be something to celebrate their recent contract win and Hutch will be forced to attend as a show of company unity, where Christian will of course rub his nose in it further.
So though Hutch and Vivian go there together, they are very much not together. I hope that Addison will also be there and see Hutch's pain, seeks to comfort him and that he ultimately lets her.
There will be no greater pain for Vivian than to see Hutch with Addison, especially when Christian inevitably ditches her.
 
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Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence
I have always looked at the protagonist and antagonist a certain way.

Heavy Story Content is Protagonist
Negatives is Antagonist

Chapter 1 Marriage/Love protagonist, Cheating/Temptation Antagonist
Chapter 2 Vivian Protagonist, True Vivian Antagonist

Make sense to me not everyone else.
after comparing your chapter 1 protogonist and antagonist with the chapter title... marraige and cheating... husbands sacrifice.... then price of love.... the cost of vivians love for christians dick ;) ....jokes aside. the cost that vivian is willing to pay for love... which is the conflict between her pretend self of 22 years or her true self.

in accordance with that.... shadows of forgiveness maybe implying about hutch forgiving vivian or coming to terms with her in some way which sticks with the theme of hutch's behaviour........ the docile/domesticated behaviour in the vn.(some would want to call it cuck.... its their choice)

Adhdclassic (y) and i won't comment on the 4th chapter shadows of silence for now. as adhd above post seems kinda similar to what it think. hutch disappearing on vivian.

The other way I can see is that they agree to still live together for now, until they can split assets and tell their son Sawyer.
But she no longer hides the fact that she's now with Christian.
I feel like the party will be something to celebrate their recent contract win and Hutch will be forced to attend as a show of company unity, where Christian will of course rub his nose in it further.
So though Hutch and Vivian go there together, they are very much not together. I hope that Addison will also be there and see Hutch's pain, seeks to comfort him and that he ultimately lets her.
There will be no greater pain for Vivian than to see Hutch with Addison, especially when Christian inevitably ditches her.
nice theory but lets not forget there is blonde next to christian in chapter 1. and there is a sneakpeak of vivian kissing a blonde(which may or maynot be in the vn). i maybe wrong on this as we might get a new blonde character(never know).... but if it's addision in chapter 1 with christian.... we can see a lot of members raging in this thread for sure.:devilish:
 

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nice theory but lets not forget there is blonde next to christian in chapter 1. and there is a sneakpeak of vivian kissing a blonde(which may or maynot be in the vn). i maybe wrong on this as we might get a new blonde character(never know).... but if it's addision in chapter 1 with christian.... we can see a lot of members raging in this thread for sure.:devilish:
After seeing Vivian with that couple in this last chapter, who knows what other stuff Vivian may get up to. Could even be that Christian encourages her to do it, he certainly didn't seem to mind sloppy seconds after that guy in the hotel.
I don't think that it's Addison in bed with Christian, but who knows? Could just as likely be some other guys blonde wife that he's messing with.
 

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You are confusing fiction with fantasy. Of course literature and fiction can aim at being realistic (and therefore being compared to real life). And chapter 1 was giving the vibe that it was doing just that.
Not only Chapter 1...
this story is realistic! Because as the interpersonal relationships between: man/woman husband/wife, employee/boss, with the wife who believes she can save her husband's job by going to "dinner" with the boss who hires her as the one who becomes indispensable to finalize signing the contracts that the company offers to millionaire clients, this is very realistic... often rich men are also looking for bonuses to sign a deal... these things happen frequently in the real world

I don't know about you, but I knew instantly that Christian was asking Vivian to fuck clients of the company where her husband is employed
Chapter 1 Marriage/Love protagonist, Cheating/Temptation Antagonist
Chapter 2 Vivian Protagonist, True Vivian Antagonist

Make sense to me not everyone else.
To me Chapter 2 is the consequence of the first one

Vivian Cheating/Temptation is not an antagonist
It is obvious to me that Vivian and Chrestian cheating was not the first time

So she is the same antagonist in CH1 as well, the only differences are that you ignored this in the first chapter and only realized it as the story continued...
I personally understood Vivian's character immediately also because I have been to dinners with women who do not admit that they enjoyed being fucked by you... and apparently react by hating you except to enjoy it when you push them against the wall of a toilet and roughly fuck them making them enjoy it
I knew it was too much to ask for. Has he started referring everyone back to what was agreed in the prologue yet...?
Lol
This game is without a prologue
Not every story has to start with a prologue but I'm sure the author will have us discover the past of this couple gradually
and... Not all stories start from the beginning of the wedding like in Tacos ;) ... Here the writer has chosen a different way to tell the story and will make us discover creatively what brought this couple to get married...
The script requires great coherence and it seems to me that this author knows very well how to tell his story in his own way...
and frankly I don't think he needs anyone's advice...

the style of the story is impeccable!
I'm puttin this game in my signature...

this seemes to be my No. 1 game

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very similar to my thoughts and the reason y i didnt post as much as i did in chapter 1.
I'm in exactly the same frame of mind.

Maybe having turned the story over for 4 months has altered our view of this chapter.



TheDuke: you'll end up pro Hutch with images like this!
 
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Dark fantasy. It seems that a lot of people like it. 200 pages of comments at 40 per page since Jan. Is this the next BaD? It is not clear who the mc really is.

There are guys like the boss, no doubt, and women who will do anything at all for them. Don't be fooled by the husband. His response is not a participation, or a resignation,. It is more like, "you are not my wife.", in spite of how he says "as long as you come home". He is discovering himself as much as she is.

Unlike many betrayed spouses, the husband puts the blame where it belongs. If you are betrayed, get over it, find a new partner. Hope to choose better next time, because there are definitely better choices to be had. And in the end boss and wife in this story deserve each other.
 
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Dark fantasy. It seems that a lot of people like it. 200 pages of comments since Jan. Is this the next BaD? It is not clear who the mc really is, but it seems significant that Hutch is the one we get to name.
There isn't really a "main character" in this I would say and it's not a good mindset to have going in. It's more of a story told or shown from different perspectives, where you're an observer going along for the crazy ride.
Also no it's not the new BaD, this is far too niche for that.
 
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you are arguing with the vivian whisperer.;) you will always be wrong:LOL: when is comes to duke's predictions of vivians actions.
When he gets as bad as fkin Stanford is now that he's here also, I'll worry. Until then, he's fine :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

The other way I can see is that they agree to still live together for now, until they can split assets and tell their son Sawyer.
But she no longer hides the fact that she's now with Christian.
I feel like the party will be something to celebrate their recent contract win and Hutch will be forced to attend as a show of company unity, where Christian will of course rub his nose in it further.
So though Hutch and Vivian go there together, they are very much not together. I hope that Addison will also be there and see Hutch's pain, seeks to comfort him and that he ultimately lets her.
There will be no greater pain for Vivian than to see Hutch with Addison, especially when Christian inevitably ditches her.
This is pretty much word for word, more or less how I see it going also. The first half at least.

The Addison stuff not so much, but I'm hoping for it all the same...(y)
 
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Maybe having turned the story over for 4 months has altered our view of this chapter.
This is what exactly happening right now. We made lot of theories in 4 months. Some of them more complicated, maybe we've been think too deeply for Vivian. She is just a whore, FOR NOW (ı hope). Even though my heart breaks, I am happy with the update result. It's time to shine my boy Hutch.

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I joined this forum back when Chapter 1 was released and I've found a handful of decent games and VN's that are in my wheelhouse. A few have really great WTF moments but none hit me like the sucker punches in this one.

I actually showed MHB chapter 1 to my wife as an illustration of a good VN (lucky for me she is broadminded) and she hit the roof at the same points as I did. I thought, like many on here, that Vivian was a bored and lonely wife/mother who was seduced by a very skilled and experienced sexual predator.

My better half however saw a very different picture. She told me Vivian acts more like Hutch's mom (I have to admit I didn't see this one) and clearly has no love or respect for him (I did see this one).

The clue we both saw (if it is one) was when Christian openly tells Vivian about a former conquest whose husband was broken and tamed like his wife. I think Hutch has no plan to fight Christian but Chapter 3 may show he has a pair of balls. I cannot see it myself based on his actions (or lack of them) in the story so far.

I can see the endgame being Vivian seduced, dominated and subservient (where the plot is so far) followed by Hutch being equally broken, dominated and subservient leaving him reduced to a willing cuck licking Christian's cum from his wife's thighs and calling it ice cream. Christian will become bored of them both as there are no further victories to be won and he leaves them in the gutter as he chases a new challenge (a younger hot married blonde).

I apologise if any of my comments repeat theories already discussed and dismissed. I haven't had chance to read every theory.
 

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Dark fantasy. It seems that a lot of people like it. 200 pages of comments at 40 per page since Jan. Is this the next BaD? It is not clear who the mc really is.

There are guys like the boss, no doubt, and women who will do anything at all for them. Don't be fooled by the husband. His response is not a participation, or a resignation,. It is more like, "you are not my wife.", in spite of how he says "as long as you come home". He is discovering himself as much as she is.

Unlike many betrayed spouses, the husband puts the blame where it belongs. If you are betrayed, get over it, find a new partner. Hope to choose better next time, because there are definitely better choices to be had. And in the end boss and wife in this story deserve each other.
Closer to being the new No Mercy than the new BaD.
 
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