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Hutch was losing his commission as a salesman as part of his job change - having a more "behind the scenes" role. It was said that his payment would be restructured too, so that he wouldn't see much of a salary change overall. (I think that was including Vivian's paymen though, so that's not entirely accurate. It means that the household wouldn't see a reduction, but it would still mean a reduction for Hutch overall.)
euhm she was surpised about the amount she got and thought it would be for Hutch at first. this is not being demoted but promoted if you ask me.
 

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Hutch was losing his commission as a salesman as part of his job change - having a more "behind the scenes" role. It was said that his payment would be restructured too, so that he wouldn't see much of a salary change overall. (I think that was including Vivian's paymen though, so that's not entirely accurate. It means that the household wouldn't see a reduction, but it would still mean a reduction for Hutch overall.)

Agreed that you can be both a good husband and a good lover. I've not seen comments specifically saying you can't be both (though I admit to skimming some of the posts...), I think it was just Sunshine pulling out of Vivian that Hutch wasn't both. Even that is unclear though, IMO, as Vivian agrees that Hutch is the "safe" option, and not the "wild and exciting" option. You don't have to be wild and exciting to be a good lover though, which ties in with your point.

For the other bit, Christian does go down on Vivian, but I think we've only seen it once (in the office bathroom).

More surprisingly, I was thinking the other day and this has just reminded me... I don't think we've seen Vivian take a facial, as one of the staples of these games. Rain came on her back. Christian has given her a visible creampie and has cum in her mouth, with a little overflow, but I don't think there have been any other times we've actually seen a finish, or have we?
Maybe you're right for the bathroom. i forgot. But his progression lacks skills lmao. He doesn't do her facials but he cums in her mouth and she swallows. Not sure which one is the most humiliating.
 
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It makes sense to the guy who runs a successful business. Boss says that husband gets the fewest sales of any of his employees, but the ones he gets are the most profitable for the business. It makes sense for him to keep husband if he can think of a way.
Then why would he fire him in the first place?
 

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Yeah, i think he needs Hutch a lot more than he's giving him credit for. Plus, it's not impossible a part of the deals Christian makes are shady (no proof just an inutition) and he may need Hutch expertise with numbers to make it seem legit. AGain, pure speculation.
again. Why would he fire him?
 

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More surprisingly, I was thinking the other day and this has just reminded me... I don't think we've seen Vivian take a facial, as one of the staples of these games. Rain came on her back. Christian has given her a visible creampie and has cum in her mouth, with a little overflow, but I don't think there have been any other times we've actually seen a finish, or have we?
I have wondered about the visible creampie you see in so many of these games. I don't need to see it. Do others? Probably.

Like the sex scene at the end of part 2. I think sc tries to bring a little art to it, it should not be all about what the player wants to see. To really be effective it needs to be about two people loving each other. There is nothing more sexy, I think. Very few dev's do this. Mostly what you see in porn games is prostitution type behavior served up for the stimulation of fappers. Not my deal.

I think the sex scene at the end of part 2 was very effective. No visible creampie needed.
 
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euhm she was surpised about the amount she got and thought it would be for Hutch at first. this is not being demoted but promoted if you ask me.
Most of Hutch's salary, previously, came from his sales commissions. Now he will be receiving it as salaried payments instead. Hutch will get way more than Vivian's single payment, over the term of the contract, but it was said that together, his salary would be worked so that it's not really a reduction of income. As far as Vivian herself goes, she is a part-time teacher at the moment, not exactly a job you'd expect a high salary for (which is a shame). She says "You have no idea how many days I have to teach up to make this much money!" - so we don't know how much her payment is, just that it's a lot more than she was expecting. I would suggest it's less than a year's pay though, because she would be more likely to say something like "That's nearly as much as I make in a year through teaching!" or something similar that equates to the values.
Then why would he fire him in the first place?
again. Why would he fire him?
He said he was never going to fire him, his intention was always to move him to a different role.
 
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Maybe he told the truth to Vivian for once : he didn't want to fire him. But hard to say when this AH tells the truth. ANd there's still a big lie he hasn't come clean to Vivian.
I's say the difficulties that boss was having getting the deal done brought the idea to him that husband could help make the difference. Along with the advice of wife. Otherwise, the deal might not have happened. Surely boss knows that.
 

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Most of Hutch's salary, previously, came from his sales commissions. Now he will be receiving it as salaried payments instead. Hutch will get way more than Vivian's single payment, over the term of the contract, but it was said that together, his salary would be worked so that it's not really a reduction of income. As far as Vivian herself goes, she is a part-time teacher at the moment, not exactly a job you'd expect a high salary for (which is a shame). She says "You have no idea how many days I have to teach up to make this much money!" - so we don't know how much her payment is, just that it's a lot more than she was expecting. I would suggest it's less than a year's pay though, because she would be more likely to say something like "That's nearly as much as I make in a year through teaching!" or something similar that equates to the values.


He said he was never going to fire him, his intention was always to move him to a different role.
She was surprised about the amount even for Hutch...
 

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He never recognized he has poisoned Hutch's thoughts at the end of CH.1. Openly lied about it. I think sooner or later it will come out.
Wife's question to boss was whether he tried to convince husband to leave her and get a divorce. He did not actually do that.
The reason wife asked that was because husband convinced her to continue with the relationship with boss. Boss did not
convince her to do that.

Over time, as boss' conversation with wife at the end of chpt 2 makes clear, boss will have to accept the continued presence of husband in wife's life, even though boss might have wished it to be otherwise.

In fact I think that boss/wife conversation helped define the relationship going forward for both of them.
 

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Agreed. My point has been over several pages of comments that she is no whore, does not deserve to be belittled. In this game or any other context. It is true that wife was unsure of this herself, which is why the conversation with Sunshine is so important to her and to us gamers who want to understand her.

And if she finds she needs a lover to fill in where husband fails, she is entitled to that. So are a whole lot of other women. It is true that it is not husband's fault that he is not a great lover in her eyes, needs to take a pill to get it up sometimes. If husband is willing, she wants to be able to continue loving him as she always has. Which might be a better deal that the walking papers that a lot of husbands get. ymmv.

Chapter 3 will begin with that honest husband/wife conversation, I bet.
Mate stop using porn and vn`s as reference pls.Its embarrassing.
Why didn`t see talk with him that she is not happy with their sexual relationship.There are treatments and ways to improve.She hid from him her real self fucked him vanilla and now she wants some chad to fuck her brain out because Hutchy is no match for her.Maybe is she has revealed her true self to Hutch their sexual relationship was better.
Why didn`t she divorce Hutch them.Cut him loose and you can have every man without a guilt in the world.
Fuck man you just said she is a cheating whore but in different words.
 
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She was surprised about the amount even for Hutch...
That doesn't mean anything at all. She got a lump sum for a single contract. Chances are she's expecting that she would have received the same amount as Hutch, or more likely less, but probably not more. She is also likely to know what Christian said about adjusting how Hutch's take-home pay works, between his salary and commission, so she may not know exactly how much he will be bringing home each month under this new arrangement. With that in mind, perhaps she was surprised, thinking that Hutch will be coming home with a lot more than she expected.

These numbers are fictional, just to make for easy calculations, but say Hutch now gets $1000/month, so $12000/year, and Vivian's payment here is $3000. If she doesn't expect to receive as much as Hutch, but she sees $3000, she would likely be surprised, as that could mean Hutch getting $36000/year. She asks, incredulously, "WOW. Is this what Hutch makes?" But Chistian corrects her, by explaining that it's not really comparable to how Hutch's payments work.
 

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Christian has given her a visible creampie and has cum in her mouth, with a little overflow, but I don't think there have been any other times we've actually seen a finish, or have we?
No you're right, no facial for her at the moment. Though it's something I would love to see ! She would be incredibly sexy for us viewers, and incredibly humiliated.
 

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This is an important point. She is learning to tell him what he wants to hear. Like "who owns you?"
the points you raised are just what you hoped Vivian was before the new version came with “Chapter 2” in fact you said it yourself that this new development disappointed you.
My feeling about the look on her face is that she is entirely disingenuous when she tells him he owns her. And that ties into my other 4 points about this last scene.
This is just what you wish because you are in love with Vivian... I love her too but it is obvious that she is a whore.

The last scene is very complex and long and it starts with Her leaving at home the husband with whom she had decided to have a one night stand and running with her car to Chris
and here's a point you seem to want to ignore:
How come Vivian is driving the car and deciding what Hutch should do?

So the first thing Vivian do after getting her husband out of her car and leaving him in the street.
She gives Chris a hard slap in the face
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Vivan is not lying to Chris at all, and in her, as far as her facial expressions are concerned, I don't see lies but I see pleasure...
She just wants to tell herself that she's insincere and you fell for it because that's what you're hoping
for first the last scene is very complex and long and it starts with Her leaving at home the husband with whom she had decided to have a one night stand and running with her car to Chris
But as you see it's her lying to herself all the time


this is the last scene in CH2
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It is obvious the Chris knows who she is... she is a WHORE even she is lying to herself and this scene make it clear about this point
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Chris knows very well Vivian! She is lying to herself!
After being raped for the second time on the same night as she tells Chris the details of what she had to do to get the client to sign the contract she can't stop to get turned on and she asks Chris
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She is going to make love with Chris just in the meanwhile her husband followed her to Chris' house just in time to to watch her Screenshot 2025-06-13 at 16.19.06.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-13 at 16.29.24.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-13 at 16.35.06.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-13 at 16.35.33.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-13 at 16.36.23.jpg
This type of behavior describes a woman who likes to be in charge in the family...but as is often the case this type of woman also needs a relationship with a strong man.
Vivian needs Hutch as a kind and obedient husband and maybe she will have sex with him once a month.... (I know this type of women)
These women also need a relationship with a with a with a man who has rough sex ... about whom they will always say he is an asshole and while not admitting it they can't wait to be sexually abused by the asshole.

Besides which, it is not fair play to ask a question like that when your partner is about to climax. The answer you can believe is the one you get the next day when no sex is in sight. Also, "do you love me?" Not during sex, friends, no fair. I'm sure she understands that.
LoL you are so wrong, she is not capable of lying to Chris.
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The expression in Vivian's face after making love to Chris knowing that her husband had seen her entering the house with him is one of total and unconditional love for her lover
She makes love to Chris and wants her husband to know about it
This woman is not the slut/bimbo she has been portrayed so far to be.
I never painted and never i have portrayed Vivian as an idiot Bimbo-slut.
what are you talking about ???
She is a super powerful woman as I saud many times... Do you think whores are stupid? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
We have not yet had a clear sight of the depth of her.
Speak for yourself because I have a clear and profound vision of who Vivian is.... you only have to look at the tattoo she has in her lower back to see that (I'm not talking about the writing tattoo because that's in fashion Screenshot 2025-06-10 at 18.09.jpg
I'm talking about this.. it is a tattoo that says she is an anal slut... and second she lied to Sanshine about never having anal sex
Or at least I know girls with that tattoo in that place... and they love anal sex!
She cannot be more clear than the multiple times she calls him an asshole. That is what she really thinks of him.
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But you just don't understand shit about women!
Have you ever been with a real woman?
Are you married?

Women call you an asshole while you rape them and then ask you to make love nicely exactly as Vivian did despite knowing full well THAT Chris had sold her to the client to be raped...

Are you sure you don't live in "Wonderland"?
One lesson she might have needed to learn is that it is not necessary to go to an asshole to have good sex.
Are you talking about this game?
You need lessons on how women really think during a relationship with real men!!!
And what you are talking about is exactly what is happening in this game. which you obviously are not capable of understanding
And believe me, Vivian is as strong and powerful a woman as someone like you will ever be able to have

Cheers
 

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the points you raised are just what you hoped Vivian was before the new version came with “Chapter 2” in fact you said it yourself that this new development disappointed you.

This is just what you wish because you are in love with Vivian... I love her too but it is obvious that she is a whore.

The last scene is very complex and long and it starts with Her leaving at home the husband with whom she had decided to have a one night stand and running with her car to Chris
and here's a point you seem to want to ignore:
How come Vivian is driving the car and deciding what Hutch should do?

So the first thing Vivian do after getting her husband out of her car and leaving him in the street.
She gives Chris a hard slap in the face
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Vivan is not lying to Chris at all, and in her, as far as her facial expressions are concerned, I don't see lies but I see pleasure...
She just wants to tell herself that she's insincere and you fell for it because that's what you're hoping
for first the last scene is very complex and long and it starts with Her leaving at home the husband with whom she had decided to have a one night stand and running with her car to Chris
But as you see it's her lying to herself all the time



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Chris knows very well Vivian! She is lying to herself!



This type of behavior describes a woman who likes to be in charge in the family...but as is often the case this type of woman also needs a relationship with a strong man.
Vivian needs Hutch as a kind and obedient husband and maybe she will have sex with him once a month.... (I know this type of women)
These women also need a relationship with a with a with a man who has rough sex ... about whom they will always say he is an asshole and while not admitting it they can't wait to be sexually abused by the asshole.



LoL you are so wrong, she is not capable of lying to Chris.

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The expression in Vivian's face after making love to Chris knowing that her husband had seen her entering the house with him is one of total and unconditional love for her lover
She makes love to Chris and wants her husband to know about it

I never painted and never i have portrayed Vivian as an idiot Bimbo-slut.
what are you talking about ???
She is a super powerful woman as I saud many times... Do you think whores are stupid? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Speak for yourself because I have a clear and profound vision of who Vivian is.... you only have to look at the tattoo she has in her lower back to see that (I'm not talking about the writing tattoo because that's in fashion View attachment 4938755
I'm talking about this.. it is a tattoo that says she is an anal slut... and second she lied to Sanshine about never having anal sex
Or at least I know girls with that tattoo in that place... and they love anal sex!

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But you just don't understand shit about women!
Have you ever been with a real woman?
Are you married?

Women call you an asshole while you rape them and then ask you to make love nicely exactly as Vivian did despite knowing full well THAT Chris had sold her to the client to be raped...

Are you sure you don't live in "Wonderland"?

Are you talking about this game?
You need lessons on how women really think during a relationship with real men!!!
And what you are talking about is exactly what is happening in this game. which you obviously are not capable of understanding
And believe me, Vivian is as strong and powerful a woman as someone like you will ever be able to have

Cheers
wow i never expected to agree with stanford ever.
good point my man.
 
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