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I'd probably guess that he has done all that stuff, or very similar stuff before. Why would this be his first time doing it? He's already shown to Vivian (and told her) that she's not his first rodeo horse (yes, I did deliberately amend the usual wording...).

However, why anyone's even suggesting Christian and Vivian might marry, I don't know. That's so far from where we are, from where they both are, it's almost as wild as the theory of everyone in town being in on it except for Vivian and Hutch...

Actually, I'll be serious instead - the way things have gone, and what we have left to come, almost anything is possible. I suppose there's a very slim chance that the game could end with Christian and Vivian married, but if that happens... we're in for a wild couple of chapters to get us there!
The old saying why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Christian is not stupid either Vivian gives off the clingy personality as well as wishy washy.
 

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Although I think the story is brilliantly written, there's something that bothers me : Vivian's behavior with the students.
In chap1, her openly flirting attitude with the creepy twins. She lets them discuss about her in a sexy bikini, one of them gropes her in front of her son and she does nothing !? Not a very good mother/respectable housewife vibe...
In chap2, I really don't understand why on earth she gives her number to Marcel ! She did nothing objectionable in front of him, he certainly can't have any proof of a guilty behavior. Though, by giving him her number, she proved him that she had something to hide, opening the door to a possible blackmail...
Porn logic...? Maybe. We'll see.
 

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I'd probably guess that he has done all that stuff, or very similar stuff before. Why would this be his first time doing it?
Because his feelings haven't required him to say those things.

He's already shown to Vivian (and told her) that she's not his first rodeo horse (yes, I did deliberately amend the usual wording...).

However, why anyone's even suggesting Christian and Vivian might marry, I don't know. That's so far from where we are, from where they both are, it's almost as wild as the theory of everyone in town being in on it except for Vivian and Hutch...

Actually, I'll be serious instead - the way things have gone, and what we have left to come, almost anything is possible. I suppose there's a very slim chance that the game could end with Christian and Vivian married, but if that happens... we're in for a wild couple of chapters to get us there!
I don't see much chance of them marrying, they are both bad bets in the arena of who makes a good wife/husband. And anything is possible. And regardless...a wild couple of chapters ahead.

If they do marry, the stresses of how a long term relationship must evolve, must be worked on, must be based on mutual compromise (let's both agree to this because we love each other) means that such a marriage would have poor long term viability. But maybe. This game won't be showing us that.


But, I think that, as has been pointed out, this game does have some strange, unreal coincidences.
 

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You do not marry someone who say you are their property, That they own you, You will do whatever they say. Something would have to change a lot for them to start feeling Love... not just lust.
 

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The end for Christian : after losing Vivian (because she left him, because he dumped her, because she made nervous breakdown after all of his abuses,...) he realizes that he loved her, and she was the only one who could have made him happy. Karma, man ! :LOL:
 

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sorry gents just got done playing the nature of magic update.. wow its good .. but getting back to this update and all the conspiracy theories .. i sort of equate to this . pizza . i have a spot that always has good pizza , reliable taste great.. saw this new place and gave it a shot and it was phenomenal.. been getting there for a couple months now.. do i miss the other place sure .. will i go back every once in awhile maybe .. i think that sort of sums up vivian .. was she happy with hutch.. sure.. did find some new pizza that made her gush with excitement.. yes.. is she going back to the old pizza maybe .. here an there .. but she found better and is going to eat every piece until the last bite just like the dirty pig whore she is.. god i love that woman so much..
 
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I have to strongly disagree with you .;) That wasn't sex, that was r---.
My interpretation: She was on a date with Hutch. The sexy dress was meant for Hutch at that moment and no one else.
She was desperate to spend the evening with Hutch, talk to him (maybe about the Sunshine incident) and clear a few things up until Christian intervened again.
She had no idea what to expect at the hotel.
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And yes, SCS is a master of ambiguity.
There is in small problem in your overly simplistic reasoning....
Even though she had dressed up to go out with her husband.
Hutch knew very well what she was supposed to do as soon as he saw the envelope with the contract

You are bringing an example here by extrapolating it out of the context of the story
it is since before Hutch left that Vivian had commanded him to make a romantic date to discuss only between husband and wife...
But dwell on that!,,,
So who in charge in this couple relationship?
How come it is not the husband who invites the wife on a date?

I wonder what you all would do without me to figure out who Vivian is for real....
Believe me I know women like her....
These women will never admit that they take pleasure in rough sex because it is a disgraceful thing to admit considering themselves good little wives.... because our society requires apparent respectability if you live in a fancy townhouse...and Vivian is very careful about appearances

Couples living in the uptown areas of our cities are full of hypocrisies and contradictions and avoid gossip that would hurt their reputation and business

But all women like to be dominated during sex.... THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT IT! especially because women like to be in charge of their husbands...
and that is exactly why Vivian does everything she can to avoid losing the polite, loser hubby she married...
But when it comes to sex Vivian likes to be used and violated regardless....

Are you one of those husbands who ask your wife nicely for sex?
Me no or at any rate I am not always abusive to my woman (but she likes rough sex sometime when she is in the mood)
I guarantee that if you are always kind with time your wife will find many excuses not to have sex!
If you are always kind the answer you will get will be; "No dear, today I am really tired let's do it next week, that's fine
and what response do you get from her? ; "No dear, today I am really tired let's do it next week, shall we?"

Today I chose this scene for those like you who don't look at the whole story and just use ideas that seem to disprove what I wrote in my previous posts

The day before the 2 pics of the game you posted she goes at a Bar alone and she was dressing like a prostitute.
So was Vivian dressed like this for the date with her Husband?? :cool:
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In the morning she is still at Rebecca (Sunshine) home Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 15.58.50.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 15.59.17.jpg
Vivian called one of his students to be taken home.
I'm not sure this is normal for a teacher but maybe... ;) I think Marcel will be soon in the future updates
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You normally wear a slip under this dress?:oops::rolleyes:
Vivian, pretty please, do you think your student with his erect BBC can believe what you tell him? Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.50.10.jpg
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Does she forget the ring? No! We know She purposely lives her ring at home because her husband was out with Chris.
So no Hutch and no Chris were available to fuck her.... and as I said before she wants to talk to her husband but I'm sure she doesn't want to fuck her loser husband Vivian just wants to cuddle with her husband
Marcel asked for her phone number bc he punched a "BBC-bro" who was near to rape her with the entire amateur basketball team who had seen her as she waited for a ride home:cool: Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 16.28.06.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.50.55.jpg
Look he saved your asshole, baby, so you have to give to Marcel your phone number! :)
Look at that fucking hot-as-hell dress
Hutch is calling her... this is interesting... it is not the husband that invites his wife on a date Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.57.31.jpg She is the one who invite him!! Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.58.24.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.58.44.jpg
And Hutch doesn't seem so happy at the 'idea of going on a date with his wife
maybe because he knows it won't be a disaster?
the hotel clerk thought Hutch was Vivian's pimp remember? Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.59.04.jpg
She is very happy here and she is wonderful.. I love her :love: Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 13.59.41.jpg
But the same evening as she is preparing for the date with Hutch, the boss' call comes in. Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.02.01.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.02.15.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.02.29.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.03.55.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.04.08.jpg Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 14.04.38.jpg
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At this point Vivian knows perfectly well that she has to go to a hotel in the night to get a client signed before going on the date with her husband and she is the one who drives her car with her husband next to her knowing perfectly well that she has to get a difficult client signed without making him leff the contract again...
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How come she doesn't invite her husband up to the hotel room as well?
If she believes she doesn't have to fuck the client she should invite her husband with her.... but no longer do so because Chris ordered her to go alone forcing him to sign by distracting him with her beautiful ass
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The night before the supposed to be a date with her husband she knows what she have to do!
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Of course, she is going to be so angry with Chria but instead of continuing her appointment that she herself had planned with Hutch, she makes her husband get out of his car and run to Chris for what? To complain? She is as much an employee of Chris as Hutch is...and etch take a lot more money than she does getting raped by the client enjoying it like the slut she is.... Vivian runs to Chris to be raped a second time in the same evening by planting her husband in the middle of the street.

Vivian knows very well why she was hired by Chris and her husband also knows very well her role...only as we said before this kind of women have an extreme need to be good wives and so to the last she denies to herself that she took the job as a luxury escort for her husband's boss's company

She wants to save the apparent respectability of her upper middle class family... and that is why she will continue for a long time to lie to herself about her role in the company where she works.

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You do not marry someone who say you are their property, That they own you, You will do whatever they say. Something would have to change a lot for them to start feeling Love... not just lust.
If you have felt both, you know there is a clear unmistakable difference. I suspect wife needed to verify that difference for herself, which is why the escort experience was useful for her. She now knows that other guys don't make her feel like boss does.

And notice it was not enough for boss to say he owns her. He needed her to accept and verify that for him. Like the time when he throws her out of the car, "If you don't like it I am through with you." She must like how he is, accept how he is, love how he is. Otherwise, he can go back to being the homewrecker. Sometimes guys do the homewrecker thing because they really don't believe that worthy women are capable of loving him, but they long for it. He could see wife as the worthy woman who at last can love him. Joy. Surprise us sc.
 

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There is in small problem in your overly simplistic reasoning....
Even though she had dressed up to go out with her husband.
Hutch knew very well what she was supposed to do as soon as he saw the envelope with the contract

You are bringing an example here by extrapolating it out of the context of the story
it is since before Hutch left that Vivian had commanded him to make a romantic date to discuss only between husband and wife...
But dwell on that!,,,
So who in charge in this couple relationship?
How come it is not the husband who invites the wife on a date?

I wonder what you all would do without me to figure out who Vivian is for real....
Believe me I know women like her....
These women will never admit that they take pleasure in rough sex because it is a disgraceful thing to admit considering themselves good little wives.... because our society requires apparent respectability if you live in a fancy townhouse...and Vivian is very careful about appearances

Couples living in the uptown areas of our cities are full of hypocrisies and contradictions and avoid gossip that would hurt their reputation and business

But all women like to be dominated during sex.... THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT IT! especially because women like to be in charge of their husbands...
and that is exactly why Vivian does everything she can to avoid losing the polite, loser hubby she married...
But when it comes to sex Vivian likes to be used and violated regardless....

Are you one of those husbands who ask your wife nicely for sex?
Me no or at any rate I am not always abusive to my woman (but she likes rough sex sometime when she is in the mood)
I guarantee that if you are always kind with time your wife will find many excuses not to have sex!
If you are always kind the answer you will get will be; "No dear, today I am really tired let's do it next week, that's fine
and what response do you get from her? ; "No dear, today I am really tired let's do it next week, shall we?"

Today I chose this scene for those like you who don't look at the whole story and just use ideas that seem to disprove what I wrote in my previous posts

The day before the 2 pics of the game you posted she goes at a Bar alone and she was dressing like a prostitute.
So was Vivian dressed like this for the date with her Husband?? :cool:
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Vivian called one of his students to be taken home.

You normally wear a slip under this dress?:oops::rolleyes:

Does she forget the ring? No! We know She purposely lives her ring at home because her husband was out with Chris.
So no Hutch and no Chris were available to fuck her.... and as I said before she wants to talk to her husband but I'm sure she doesn't want to fuck her loser husband Vivian just wants to cuddle with her husband

Look he saved your asshole, baby, so you have to give her your phone number!

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At this point Vivian knows perfectly well that she has to go to a hotel in the night to get a client signed before going on the date with her husband and she is the one who drives her car with her husband next to her knowing perfectly well that she has to get a difficult client signed without making him leff the contract again...
Sparta158
How come she doesn't invite her husband up to the hotel room as well?
If she believes she doesn't have to fuck the client she should invite her husband with her.... but no longer do so because Chris ordered her to go alone forcing him to sign by distracting him with her beautiful ass
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The night before the supposed to be a date with her husband she knows what she have to do!
Sparta158
Of course, she is going to be so angry with Chria but instead of continuing her appointment that she herself had planned with Hutch, she makes her husband get out of his car and run to Chris for what? To complain? She is as much an employee of Chris as Hutch is...and etch take a lot more money than she does getting raped by the client enjoying it like the slut she is.... Vivian runs to Chris to be raped a second time in the same evening by planting her husband in the middle of the street.

Vivian knows very well why she was hired by Chris and her husband also knows very well her role...only as we said before this kind of women have an extreme need to be good wives and so to the last she denies to herself that she took the job as a luxury escort for her husband's boss's company

She wants to save the apparent respectability of her upper middle class family... and that is why she will continue for a long time to lie to herself about her role in the company where she works.

Thanks
isnt it amazing for 22 years she was a faithful housewife.. especially younger , sexier an nobody liked her until the 22nd year.. nobody hit on her. never got duped into anything. was always smart enough not to fall into traps.. but once you take away that paycheck thats when the hooker heals comeout boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 

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If you have felt both, you know there is a clear unmistakable difference. I suspect wife needed to verify that difference for herself, which is why the escort experience was useful for her. She now knows that other guys don't make her feel like boss does.

And notice it was not enough for boss to say he owns her. He needed her to accept and verify that for him. Like the time when he throws her out of the car, "If you don't like it I am through with you." She must like how he is, accept how he is, love how he is. Otherwise, he can go back to being the homewrecker. Sometimes guys do the homewrecker thing because they really don't believe that worthy women are capable of loving him, but they long for it. He could see wife as the worthy woman who at last can love him. Joy. Surprise us sc.
nice beautiful middle class suburban area an she is naked thrown out on the front an banged everywhere outside the house yelling an screaming an nobody comes out wondering what the heck lol yeah okay .. sure i believe that one.. wondering when one of the neighbors come knocking for a slice of pizza lmaooooooo
 

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nice beautiful middle class suburban area an she is naked thrown out on the front an banged everywhere outside the house yelling an screaming an nobody comes out wondering what the heck lol yeah okay .. sure i believe that one.. wondering when one of the neighbors come knocking for a slice of pizza lmaooooooo
To be honest this made me very hungry for pizza, and I mean pizza.
 
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Although I think the story is brilliantly written, there's something that bothers me : Vivian's behavior with the students.
In chap1, her openly flirting attitude with the creepy twins. She lets them discuss about her in a sexy bikini, one of them gropes her in front of her son and she does nothing !? Not a very good mother/respectable housewife vibe...
In chap2, I really don't understand why on earth she gives her number to Marcel ! She did nothing objectionable in front of him, he certainly can't have any proof of a guilty behavior. Though, by giving him her number, she proved him that she had something to hide, opening the door to a possible blackmail...
Porn logic...? Maybe. We'll see.
Answered your own question at the end there. Although I wouldn't necessarily say she was flirting with the twins, more that she was tolerating their silliness because she knows what boys are like - she didn't reallly do anything to encourage them or respond to them (that I recall). With Marcel, yeah, she had no reason, but she gave herself a reason. She dug herself into a hole. It sounds a bit like how Christian described their first time - Vivian did most of the talking... (And it's also how she ended up fucking him after the date at the start of Ch2...) She could easily have said nothing, or just left it at "girls' night out, slept on my friend's couch", but her guiltiness meant she just couldn't control her mouth, she felt like she had to explain everything even though he didn't do a single thing to pull any information out of her. He then took advantage of that.

It does raise a bit of a conundrum though, because the suggestion is she will get blackmailed into doing something with Marcel to protect her reputation, as he could spread rumours about her cheating on her husband (just rumours though, because he has no proof at all). However, it would be infinitely worse in all aspects if it was found out that she was doing something with a student. So to me, that's just a no-brainer. The student has nothing over her, and she should ignore any and every attempt at blackmail he makes.
Because his feelings haven't required him to say those things.
His feelings haven't required him to say "I own you" or throw a woman out of a car before? Is that love? Is that what you're saying? Do I need to go be mean to my wife now, because I've been doing it wrong for the last twenty years?

The only part of it that relates to his feelings is that he wants to be told he's good in bed. His feelings are hurt because Vivian won't (initially) tell him that he's the best she's ever had. There's no love in that, only ego.
 
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If the whole town is in on it, a spider web or trap or maze-scenario (including figures like the "mayor" etc.) this would shift the story definitely into something surreal. An imagination, a dream, a fugue (as Lynch called it). This would explain the exccenticities of the plot, the sex in front of the house, Sunshine and rain, giving phone numbers to Marcel, also scenes like the mechanic, and the dinner ch. 1 which I always found nightmarish. But this imagination would 1 have to belong to one person - which one? And 2 I would think that we would have already more signals of a psychological direction behind it (fear, guilt, bad conscience, trauma), of a reality breaking through at certain points. At the moment I'm on the brink of wishing for this scenario out of reasons of aesthetic coherence.

Edit: More possible indications of that (not saying it's probable): the fact that Marcel coincidentally played basketball right there and then where she was with Sunshine and Rain. The image with Hutch looking through the window others have talked about already. The hotel clerk. The car getting taken care of is also something you would wish for in reality but it does happen only in dreams. The choice of wine which can't be explained (and is connected to a real life memory?).

Also the repetition of motives (which is an element of dream logic which builds variants of a rest of real memories): the parcels with clothes lying in front of the door. Repeated phrases and words. Again sex right in front of Hutch the second time as a totally improbable result of the evening and him looking (this seems to be a consistent fear/motive - meaning having been caught in real life once?).


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(If we follow the Mulholland Drive paradigm, it's about a "small existence" which is projected by imagination into the grandiose: in that case Vivian would be a schoolteacher with a husband who lost his job which was financially devastating and she felt helpless and developed contempt for him. She probably once cheated with the neighbour and got caught or fears that.
If we follow the Lost Highway paradigm, it's about a trauma which gets overworked or worked around by imagination: Vivian could have been raped or otherwise sexually traumatized, her husband didn't help, she felt she had to be strong alone)
Both caases would be delusional compensatory empowerment imaginations.

So...what you're saying is: None of this is happening and it's all in Hutch's mind as consequences as to what will happen if he doesn't keep his job and he's just fear mongering himself to death and panic? Because that would actually make sense. Maybe this is all something he's dreamed up and he's thinking about a life with this woman that he's paid for sex for the night after a particularly awful day at work and now he's looking at a woman he's completely smitten with and imagines a life with her, giving her a better house, giving her a better life, giving her a loving husband who would do anything for her regardless of what she does to him, and give her comfort and security. ANd then he starts piecing everything together about his boss and then thinking what would happen if those 2 ever met; which is why he NEVER talks about her at work and he NEVER talks about work to her. He's been afraid that what would happen if those 2 lines were ever crossed and everything we're experiencing is just his own nightmare while he lies next to this amazingly gorgeous Lady of the Night.

Hooooooooly shit. That makes a lot of sense now! My Flabber is gasted.
 
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However, it would be infinitely worse in all aspects if it was found out that she was doing something with a student
Marcel is her biggest mistake in these 2 chapters. Because if an affair with a student goes public : social reprobation, public shame, probable big problems with the law. A lot more dangerous for her than all she made since the beginning.
 

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So...what you're saying is: None of this is happening and it's all in Hutch's mind as consequences as to what will happen if he doesn't keep his job and he's just fear mongering himself to death and panic? Because that would actually make sense. Maybe this is all something he's dreamed up and he's thinking about a life with this woman that he's paid for sex for the night after a particularly awful day at work and now he's looking at a woman he's completely smitten with and imagines a life with her, giving her a better house, giving her a better life, giving her a loving husband who would do anything for her regardless of what she does to him, and give her comfort and security. ANd then he starts piecing everything together about his boss and then thinking what would happen if those 2 ever met; which is why he NEVER talks about her at work and he NEVER talks about work to her. He's been afraid that what would happen if those 2 lines were ever crossed and everything we're experiencing is just his own nightmare while he lies next to this amazingly gorgeous Lady of the Night.

Hooooooooly shit. That makes a lot of sense now! My Flabber is gasted.
You just developed a possible scenario for Hutch, I was going for example's sake more in the direction of Vivian.
From Hutch's point of view one could even go crazier: he could imagine an alternative to his real frustratred sex life and sort of splitting off of himself this boss character which is a better, more successful and potent version of himself who gets all the sex - maybe what he imagined himself to become when he started in life. And he - as the boss - takes Vivian away from himself as Hutch, he cucks his old and weak self so to speak. His imagined strong version has discarded and humiliated his weak real self. Mabe this could explain why his weak Hutch-character remains passive. It would be self-hatred, a battle against himself.
 
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His feelings haven't required him to say "I own you" or throw a woman out of a car before? Is that love?
It wouldn't be necessary to playing the homewrecker game. If he doesn't care about the woman involved, he doesn't care.
He plays the game. Done.

The only part of it that relates to his feelings is that he wants to be told he's good in bed. His feelings are hurt because Vivian won't (initially) tell him that he's the best she's ever had. There's no love in that, only ego.
If he is actively fucking somebody over a period of time, but doesn't really care about the woman, why would the fucking not speak for itself as far as his ego goes? Another one bites the dust, next....
 

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i believe when presented with a proposal like open marriage . a person has the choice to do what they want , what they feel they need.. episode 2 is vivian doing what she feels she needs . you cant manipulate an individual that is dead set against something unless deep down inside it is what they truly want to do and that is the person she now has decided she wants to be . sad she went from a beautiful housewife to a sexy hooker in 1 day
What Hutchy must have been thinking :ROFLMAO:
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Marcel is her biggest mistake in these 2 chapters. Because if an affair with a student goes public : social reprobation, public shame, probable big problems with the law. A lot more dangerous for her than all she made since the beginning.
Massively so. I was originally thinking "red herring" in Ch1, but Ch2 makes a pretty strong suggestion of an incoming blackmail attempt, and the other events of Ch2 have now broken the seal on fucking outside of Christian (and potentially Hutch), so...

It would be a massive risk, and worse for her marriage than the other stuff, because of those additional ramifications with regard to reputation, career, legal risk, etc. I'd like to say that she would be too smart to let that happen, but now we find ourselves in a position where pretty much anything is on the table.
It wouldn't be necessary to playing the homewrecker game. If he doesn't care about the woman involved, he doesn't care.
He plays the game. Done.

If he is actively fucking somebody over a period of time, but doesn't really care about the woman, why would the fucking not speak for itself as far as his ego goes? Another one bites the dust, next....
Sorry then, I have no idea what point you're trying to make this time round. It looked like you were suggesting he had feelings for Vivian, then that you're suggesting he doesn't... I'm a bit lost.
 
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