If that is true, then why is it negativity that wins? Why can't people sing the praises just as well and denigrate. By the way, you obviously haven't gone very far back in the history. A couple of weeks would be instructive.
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I find it interesting that wife tells Sunshine that she is going to have to break up with boss. They obviously cannot go on like this whether husband agrees or not. And then pretty soon she is coming back from the escort thing and asking boss to be loving and gentle with her.
I think SC is right, we players really have no idea where this is going. Wife is explosive, at least until she figures herself out.
I think SC is right, we players really have no idea where this is going. Wife is explosive, at least until she figures herself out.
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Firstly, approaching 9000 posts for a game that's been out for about 6 months is quite impressive. I give full props to SC Stories for delivering this gem.
I also give props to this community for discussing life, love and relationships as pertaining this this game in a friendly and informative way. I'm enjoying the banter and the opinions.
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A lot has been said about the main characters personalities, good or bad, but I like to think about how they have developed or changed between the first chapter and the second.
Hutch:
On witnessing and experiencing the betrayal of his wife of 22 years, has been broken. He started trying to live with the pain, hoping for his wife to come clean and at least admit her crimes against him in order to start the healing process. That did not eventuate. Chapter 1 ended with him accepting the inevitable, knowing that this is something his wife is internally desiring to do. Inevitably he "opens" their relationship, placing the ball firmly in her court, hoping she comes to her senses and does the right thing.
In chapter 2, he is pretty much all about the job. I feel like he thinks this is the only thing he has going for him, or possibly the only thing he currently still has some control over. He knows his wife is still fucking Christian, he may have speculated that she was fucked in the hotel, although we don't know for sure about this, as we didn't get to see his reaction after he was dropped off. His insistence of refusing any terms of endearment is probably leading to his love turning to indifference, as he accepts his new reality.
Do not confuse kindness with weakness: I hope this is what we will get to see in the future.
Vivian:
In chapter 1, the sheer speed and willingness to drop her panties and fuck Christian, barely knowing him for an hour, gives us a very striking glimpse on her suppressed personality. Her stupidity in expecting Hutch to be ignorant on her machinations in the bedroom speaks volumes. Two things that are evident are her justifying her actions as a sacrifice trying to save Hutch's job, and that she loves the sex (being taken).
A big character flaw is her crocodile tears syndrome, where she feels "guilty" after the event, but not enough during the event. She loves to cry in Hutch's presence. Nobody is buying it, not even Hutch.
In chapter 2 we further see her willingness to fuck anything. Again barely knowing someone for an hour, and she is losing her anal cherry to them. Her appetite for sex is outstanding, only outmatched by her stupidity, which is further on display, but more importantly her treachery to Hutch reaches new levels. Also not willing to share him, while wanting as much sex as she can get? Can you say greedy, self-centered, narcissistic bitch?
She now knows everything about Christian's plans and actions, and she is fine with keeping more secrets from her husband, and being firmly at her lover's side. After all he know "owns" her, at least in the first chapter she had some level of self respect and control. In chapter 2 her words she says she feels "powerful" blah blah blah, but her actions speak another tune. Accepting you are someone else's property pretty much negates any "power" you pretend to feel. Any sympathy that might have existed in the first chapter dissipated in this chapter.
Christian:
He was a lying manipulative asshole in the first chapter, and confirmed it in the second chapter. Nothing new here, his character is quite one dimensional in its purpose. Turning Vivian into the company whore was an obvious evolution in the story, although Vivian made it quite easy to do.
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Now we look forward to how Hutch reacts to his new reality. Will Vivian admit any truths to him? We shall see, she doesn't have a good track record so far.
I also give props to this community for discussing life, love and relationships as pertaining this this game in a friendly and informative way. I'm enjoying the banter and the opinions.
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A lot has been said about the main characters personalities, good or bad, but I like to think about how they have developed or changed between the first chapter and the second.
Hutch:
On witnessing and experiencing the betrayal of his wife of 22 years, has been broken. He started trying to live with the pain, hoping for his wife to come clean and at least admit her crimes against him in order to start the healing process. That did not eventuate. Chapter 1 ended with him accepting the inevitable, knowing that this is something his wife is internally desiring to do. Inevitably he "opens" their relationship, placing the ball firmly in her court, hoping she comes to her senses and does the right thing.
In chapter 2, he is pretty much all about the job. I feel like he thinks this is the only thing he has going for him, or possibly the only thing he currently still has some control over. He knows his wife is still fucking Christian, he may have speculated that she was fucked in the hotel, although we don't know for sure about this, as we didn't get to see his reaction after he was dropped off. His insistence of refusing any terms of endearment is probably leading to his love turning to indifference, as he accepts his new reality.
Do not confuse kindness with weakness: I hope this is what we will get to see in the future.
Vivian:
In chapter 1, the sheer speed and willingness to drop her panties and fuck Christian, barely knowing him for an hour, gives us a very striking glimpse on her suppressed personality. Her stupidity in expecting Hutch to be ignorant on her machinations in the bedroom speaks volumes. Two things that are evident are her justifying her actions as a sacrifice trying to save Hutch's job, and that she loves the sex (being taken).
A big character flaw is her crocodile tears syndrome, where she feels "guilty" after the event, but not enough during the event. She loves to cry in Hutch's presence. Nobody is buying it, not even Hutch.
In chapter 2 we further see her willingness to fuck anything. Again barely knowing someone for an hour, and she is losing her anal cherry to them. Her appetite for sex is outstanding, only outmatched by her stupidity, which is further on display, but more importantly her treachery to Hutch reaches new levels. Also not willing to share him, while wanting as much sex as she can get? Can you say greedy, self-centered, narcissistic bitch?
She now knows everything about Christian's plans and actions, and she is fine with keeping more secrets from her husband, and being firmly at her lover's side. After all he know "owns" her, at least in the first chapter she had some level of self respect and control. In chapter 2 her words she says she feels "powerful" blah blah blah, but her actions speak another tune. Accepting you are someone else's property pretty much negates any "power" you pretend to feel. Any sympathy that might have existed in the first chapter dissipated in this chapter.
Christian:
He was a lying manipulative asshole in the first chapter, and confirmed it in the second chapter. Nothing new here, his character is quite one dimensional in its purpose. Turning Vivian into the company whore was an obvious evolution in the story, although Vivian made it quite easy to do.
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Now we look forward to how Hutch reacts to his new reality. Will Vivian admit any truths to him? We shall see, she doesn't have a good track record so far.
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Good for you. That was not what my comment was about. You can think what you like but assuming "modern women" are all hoes and after cash cows isn't right.
At the end of chapter 2 we see wife reverse herself 6 times. She tells Sushine she will break up with boss. She does the escort, abandons evening with husband, and returns furious to boss. She curses him, then says she feels empowered, free, and ends up fucking him. The final reversal is when she tells him he owns her.
As she leaves she asks him if he has been again today telling her what she needs to hear so she can have what she wants. That could have been a serious insight, but unless she can commit to an action, it is all lost.
Now we wait till late fall to know what she tells her husband. The mother of all cliff hangers.
I would say that if she can't commit to a path of action, she is unstable. Perhaps near a mental breakdown. People simply need to be able to commit and follow through. Prostitute or president, all of us. Otherwise, life flies apart and us with it.
It might be that the escort thing and boss's betrayal in that really has broken her. That was a serious unforgivable betrayal, there is no other rational way to see it as far as I can tell. The client was told she would be a willing lay and a beautiful woman. Wife was not told what to expect. How hard that must hit a thinking person. If she can wrap her mind around this, accept it, and stick with boss, she really has become a prostitute.
Perhaps pimping prostitution is part of his business, and this is the way he turns normal women to be part of that. That is what happened to all those other frustrated wives he has corrupted. I have heard that this is mostly the way it works with pimps.
I can see that path as a great source of further drama in this story. Does wife claim her sanity and fight to be free of his pimping and domination? Otherwise this game becomes no fun at all, I think.
I played through both chapters twice. The second time showed me a lot of things I missed the first time, and changed my mind about many things.
As she leaves she asks him if he has been again today telling her what she needs to hear so she can have what she wants. That could have been a serious insight, but unless she can commit to an action, it is all lost.
Now we wait till late fall to know what she tells her husband. The mother of all cliff hangers.
I would say that if she can't commit to a path of action, she is unstable. Perhaps near a mental breakdown. People simply need to be able to commit and follow through. Prostitute or president, all of us. Otherwise, life flies apart and us with it.
It might be that the escort thing and boss's betrayal in that really has broken her. That was a serious unforgivable betrayal, there is no other rational way to see it as far as I can tell. The client was told she would be a willing lay and a beautiful woman. Wife was not told what to expect. How hard that must hit a thinking person. If she can wrap her mind around this, accept it, and stick with boss, she really has become a prostitute.
Perhaps pimping prostitution is part of his business, and this is the way he turns normal women to be part of that. That is what happened to all those other frustrated wives he has corrupted. I have heard that this is mostly the way it works with pimps.
I can see that path as a great source of further drama in this story. Does wife claim her sanity and fight to be free of his pimping and domination? Otherwise this game becomes no fun at all, I think.
I played through both chapters twice. The second time showed me a lot of things I missed the first time, and changed my mind about many things.
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xcalibar4
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SCstories is good with his renders and showing emotions, body language etc.
With that in my mind I would like to assume at-least part of the after dinner date is either fantasy from Vivian's mind or Imagination from Hutch's. Like the movie Belle de Jour
I have gone through the ch2 as much as I can to find same problem with the scene where her tattoos aren't present but none other part of the story has it. So maybe it's not a mistake but intentional render.
No tattoo in dinner scene
tattoo the next day
tattoo in a difficult angle
So did SCstories ever told that this was a mistake?
If not what do you guys think?
With that in my mind I would like to assume at-least part of the after dinner date is either fantasy from Vivian's mind or Imagination from Hutch's. Like the movie Belle de Jour
I have gone through the ch2 as much as I can to find same problem with the scene where her tattoos aren't present but none other part of the story has it. So maybe it's not a mistake but intentional render.
No tattoo in dinner scene
tattoo the next day
tattoo in a difficult angle
So did SCstories ever told that this was a mistake?
If not what do you guys think?
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I too have a theory. An utterly bullshit theory, but a theory nonetheless. And given what I've seen in here up til now, it's in good company. This VN is all a creation of the mind of Bruce Willis, which unfortunately is in a deteriorating state. How, you ask?
Hutch: The first credited TV appearance of Bruce Willis was in an episode of Miami Vice, directed by David Soul, who played Hutch in the original Starsky & Hutch TV series.
Addison: Bruce Willis had his big break playing David Addison in the TV series Moonlighting.
Vivian: Matthew Perry starred alongside Bruce Willis in The Kid, playing a character called Mr Vivian.
Christian: Even before his dementia diagnosis, Bruce Willis was vocal about regarding organised religion as a threat, hence the antagonist being labelled Christian.
Sawyer. Bruce Willis has said he is interested in doing an interview with Diane Sawyer.
Marcel: Bruce Willis and Marcel Iures acted together in Hart's War, a film involving the betrayal of a black man (possible future episode spoiler?)
Bruce was married to Demi Moore, who (in her prime) would have been perfect for the Vivian role if this VN was a movie. They split because of the marriage stagnating into (in Demi's words) "we were disconnected from each other emotionally. Our life was all about logistics surrounding the kids".
So mix all the above up into a mind clouded with dementia, and you see the VN take form. Obviously. No holes in this theory at all
Hutch: The first credited TV appearance of Bruce Willis was in an episode of Miami Vice, directed by David Soul, who played Hutch in the original Starsky & Hutch TV series.
Addison: Bruce Willis had his big break playing David Addison in the TV series Moonlighting.
Vivian: Matthew Perry starred alongside Bruce Willis in The Kid, playing a character called Mr Vivian.
Christian: Even before his dementia diagnosis, Bruce Willis was vocal about regarding organised religion as a threat, hence the antagonist being labelled Christian.
Sawyer. Bruce Willis has said he is interested in doing an interview with Diane Sawyer.
Marcel: Bruce Willis and Marcel Iures acted together in Hart's War, a film involving the betrayal of a black man (possible future episode spoiler?)
Bruce was married to Demi Moore, who (in her prime) would have been perfect for the Vivian role if this VN was a movie. They split because of the marriage stagnating into (in Demi's words) "we were disconnected from each other emotionally. Our life was all about logistics surrounding the kids".
So mix all the above up into a mind clouded with dementia, and you see the VN take form. Obviously. No holes in this theory at all
TonyMurray
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It's not unusual for devs to go a little radio silent for a week or two after an update drops, but especially when there's a lot of negativity about the release, as there was here in the immediate aftermath - and can you blame a dev for that? You work hard (and for no payment, in this case) and then the release drops and a bunch of people shit all over it. I just hope it's a case of taking a couple of weeks away from it to recharge and have a bit of a "sanity break" from the forum. Hopefully we'll see him popping in soon.
I know you say "just for fun", but I really can't see this one, which has now come up a couple of times. A lot of the more convoluted or "out there" theories can just be shot down, IMO, because at its heart, it's a pretty simple story. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of complexities of character and emotions, etc., but the actual story itself is not something that's all twisted and turning and mind-blowingly complex. The tattoo mirroring Wood's is either just coincidence, or maybe the dev just likes her/her tattoo and wanted to replicate it (just my opinion, I have no inside knowledge on this).Because the thread derails, and just for the fun, I would like to know what do you think of my theory. It's a little fucked up, but it could work.
You know that the actress Evan Rachel Wood has the same neck tatoo than Vivian. And what if all this story is set in a sort of Westworld park ? With rich customers living their wild fantasies with androids ?
If Hutch is human, his fantasy is to be hard cucked by his wife.
If Vivian is human, she plays the bored housewife living all her wild desires.
If Christian is human, his fantasy is to humiliate and destroy happy couples.
It explains also the little mysteries we encountered : the wine, the absent neighborhood when Christian and Vivian fucked after the dinner, the curious angles in some sex scenes, as if someone was spying (it's the security cameras of the "park"). And it explains the neck tatoo, all that the characters see or seem is but a dream within a dream...
Like I said just a theory for fun
I think it's just an oversight, although if I had any Daz knowledge maybe that would help, as I have no idea how the models work and how stuff like tattoos is incorporated into that. Again, I don't think the "dream/fantasy" idea is the case, but if it was, whether Hutch or Vivian, why would they not have the tattoo in a dream/fantasy?
Thanks, very convincing analysis and presentation of the boss's modus operandi. Especially this switching from one mode to the other, this is undeniable, and therefore this shows again and more precisely his malicious intention and aim at controlling and manipulating the couple.
For me the essential point about "abuse" is that I think to be a meaninful concept it has to mean that the target/victim operates under a limited capacity of free will/self-defense. (and therefore Stockholm Syndrome is important, don't want to go into too much detail here, I refered to the classicl definitions 70s and early 80s (the perpetrator is seen as a sort of rescuer from life threatening situations he himself has caused, as the only one on whom the vicitm's life depends), from the mid 80s they somehow merged it together wit Battered Wife Syndrome and extended it, that's right. That's important here in our context, because the sense of their life being in danger was implied also there: the Syndrome was the defense basis in trials against women who preemptively killed abusive husbands in self-defense. So it has this implication of at least the perception of a very restricted freedom and of immediate danger. And it has always to include physical violence, together with psychological)
If we follow this idea, that the boss's manipulation works this way against Vivian (and Hutch as you seem to hint at) this has I think important consequences for the interpretation and the plot of the VN. Vivian would right now already (since when precisely?) be in an abusive relationship in which she doesn't completely control her actions anymore. She would then really be a victim in the proper sense. You couldn't for example see her as a "whore". I myself would at the moment like to think that she still has the capacity to freely walk away from every situation. She just had a few encounters with the boss up to now, she is not an unexperienced teenager, she has Hutch (isolation is an important factor with Battered Wife Syndrome) if she wants. I see the shock element in the car-situation that you show very well, but after that she can distance herself again. It would be different if the boss would insist on her staying with him for example.
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xcalibar4
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to confuse us maybe. There is no inconsistence in rendering in ch1 & ch2 except this scene. I'm not saying it's complex like inception movie, it may be lite version of Belle de Jour where the wife constantly fantasize about bdsm events at first viewers can say for sure which is fantasy and which is reality but as the film closes we as a viewer kept in a suspense if the whole or most part of the movie was her fantasy.
I think it's to show how unstable he/she is becoming. I'm also 50/50 divided in this regard. That's why I also asked if SCstories confirmed anything.
xcalibar4
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I really like that scenario actually. Not the least because it would be a reflection of what we all practise here playing these games.Because the thread derails, and just for the fun, I would like to know what do you think of my theory. It's a little fucked up, but it could work.
You know that the actress Evan Rachel Wood has the same neck tatoo than Vivian. And what if all this story is set in a sort of Westworld park ? With rich customers living their wild fantasies with androids ?
If Hutch is human, his fantasy is to be hard cucked by his wife.
If Vivian is human, she plays the bored housewife living all her wild desires.
If Christian is human, his fantasy is to humiliate and destroy happy couples.
It explains also the little mysteries we encountered : the wine, the absent neighborhood when Christian and Vivian fucked after the dinner, the curious angles in some sex scenes, as if someone was spying (it's the security cameras of the "park"). And it explains the neck tatoo, all that the characters see or seem is but a dream within a dream...
Like I said just a theory for fun
But my counter-argument would be that those storylines wouldn't be very consumer-friendly. For Hutch I would expect more explicit fetishized cucking, otherwise it has not enought juice for such players (paying a lot for that and then he just waits at home?)
An angry and frustrated housewife I guess would like to have more on the menu than what she gets here, but this makes the most sense.
The target group for the boss-storyline is too small but maybe I'm wrong. A sadist who is turned on by Milfs.
And the fundamental problem: it's not POV, no player gets to see what we see.
Edit: but it could be a good idea for a new, different game. I mean it's already in Westworld (the brothel, the rape scene - sex was always essential over there), it would be a porn variant of Westworld. Imagine the robots developing unwanted femdom-tendencies suddenly etc.
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Could be possible that she may have just covered them with make up , after she was under the impression that she was going to meet with a client ( if I remember correctly) could be she thought it wouldn't make a good impression to have them on show
I agree. I don't buy it myself. I prefer to think it's just a "common" story of cheating, betrayal, love triangle with characters in the "real world". The impact of the ending will be better this way.
I know it is a story and not a game but the scripting of the plot, graphics and attention to even the smallest detail make it a good story to play. Would be nice for it to go beyond x chapters or creation of another story in the same vein as this one, good NTR.
For me, the scene under the house (in the car) does not fit the whole thing at all. It is too fast for the level of humiliation, submission presented. The lack of tattoos may indicate that it's a very old scene and Vi didn't have a tattoo then, or that it was done hastily (to make time for the promised 0606) and the tattoos fell in the heat of battle. If this motif appeared more often - we could look for parallels with RealWorld (without tatoo) and Dream (with tatoo) - or vice versa.
When I finish the last chapter, I'll throw in a few things I noticed (the second time around) and one - a leitmotiv that has been running through me almost from the beginning. SC throws in a few winks to current affairs.
history is not easy - especially when you're looking for some parallels to life (with emphasis - your own) in it , and while the first time you go straight through the story, the second time you wade through the swamp.... (looking for “signs” as well)
When I finish the last chapter, I'll throw in a few things I noticed (the second time around) and one - a leitmotiv that has been running through me almost from the beginning. SC throws in a few winks to current affairs.
history is not easy - especially when you're looking for some parallels to life (with emphasis - your own) in it , and while the first time you go straight through the story, the second time you wade through the swamp.... (looking for “signs” as well)
TonyMurray
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I wouldn't have thought so. It's not unusual for people to have tattoos, and Vivian's are relatively discreet anyway - certainly the lower back tattoo would not be on show, so there'd be no need to cover that one even if it was a consideration. But also, she knew it was just Christian - it was to test out the location ready to take the client there the next night, and as Hutch said "I can guarantee the reservation is only for two."
I admit to having considered the theory previously when it came up. Remember Dev said the ending "will make half of you happy, will make half of you pissed off, but will surprise everyone" - I think if it was all a dream, I wouldn't expect it to make half of us happy and only half of us pissed off...
people who watch twice, suffer twice as much ....
on the other hand, they may find funny eggs
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I completed my proofread over the weekend. That's always a different reading experience anyway (I usually proofread novels, and it's very different to just reading them for pleasure), but here, after playing the game, it again gives further insight - especially when you get all the bits of dialogue that Dev commented out, so you have additional or alternative lines that slightly change the impact and possibly give an idea of a changed direction or tone.
I think so many of these scenes were very powerful, and the dialogue is just top notch through much of it.