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I want to see her saved too. But I think the odds are that I will not. Feel her confusion, her inability to decide. Don't damn a lost soul. Help.

The thing to notice is that after the rape scene, we are in deep fantasyland. Wife should feel that boss has betrayed her unforgivably, and she starts to tell him that, but the scene warps and soon she is asking him for gentle loving sex. In all I count 6 times she reverses herself since the rape scene. Is she sane? I am not sure.

But boss does give her what she asked for, in one of the most erotic sex scenes in pornland in my opinion. If he had told her, I own you and I am going to fuck you the way I want, and do that in a rough scene, I would say she was being degraded and wife might even agree. That could have been where she sees him for what he is. But no. Again, it might be that he is too smart for her to unmask. So far.
Interesting points she could have a bit of a mental breakdown but I think she will go with a similar mindset of a stripper/sex worker/what ever you want to call it where in her mind she will make a clear separation that her time with Christian is "business" and in theory doesn't cross that line into personal/pleasure

Now before anyone says anything yes her time with Christian is clearly providing her with pleasure and I'm not denying/challenging that , but the thing I have noticed with Vivian is that she tends to bend/manipulate the reality/rules to get what she wants so to speak so my thoughts around her having it as "business" and "personal/pleasure" being separate parts of her life could fit

Now yes il say if this is her mindset she isn't doing a very good job of it which is fairly safe to say :ROFLMAO:

Now il admit this could be a stretch or it might not portray properly as I may have worded it poorly

Now the thing that sticks out with me and I just can't wrap my head around , so from what we have seen Vivian has always maintained/stated that prior to Christian she's never had any prior thoughts of cheating or even thought about/considered another man

Now the bit that trips me up with this or that I'm on the fence about is that if she has truly never had those thoughts before I genuinely do not see how/understand how she could be seduced by Christian within 5 seconds of meeting him (her words) for me it just doesn't fit , so for me I just don't see how she could have her head turned in that way so to speak that quickly without either already having those thoughts or previous encounters ( now I'm not saying she has)

What I'm saying is that for someone to be married 25 odd years and has never had thoughts of cheating or other men during that time to be seduced/fall for another man within five seconds of meeting them doesn't really fit with the narrative of her claims of loyalty during the marriage

So in a nutshell 2+2 is not adding up to 4 in regards to the situation/information we have at the moment
 
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What evidence do we have?
Indirect evidence - such a post-college. What kind of ? you do not perceive ?

The ease with which Addi comes into direct contact with Hutch, reserved for those closest to her (hugging, stroking her head). Conversations that suggest something more. Great scene when Vi comes to the office

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Chris - [Addi] gains on closer acquaintance

Vi - How many people get this far

Chris - [camera movement, looks at Hutch] Not that many.

Chris - to what do I owe the pleasure [of coming].

Vi- [camera movement, looks at Hutch].



However, the lack of a concrete statement that there was nothing between them on Hutch's part, as if he was circling the subject himself.
Dreams about Addison - as if she has a 3rd sense that senses such things.


On the other hand, knowledge of such a situation in the hands of CHris is truly gold. Especially if she actually sleeps with him, especially if she feels scorned by Hutch.
 

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What I'm saying is that for someone to be married 25 odd years and has never had thoughts of cheating or other men during that time to be seduced/fall for another man within five seconds of meeting them doesn't really fit with the narrative of her claims of loyalty during the marriage

So in a nutshell 2+2 is not adding up to 4 in regards to the situation/information we have at the moment
Which would be true irl. If this were not a dark fantasy.

In light fantasy, Prince Charming kisses Sleeping Beauty, she wakes up and they live happily ever after.
So the obverse in dark fantasy would be
Scummy boss kisses wife, she goes to sleep and nobody ends up happy.

As for husband and officegirl, yes, I yearn for a way for husband to get free of this ugly tale and find happiness. There has been some suggestion that the shock of hair in bed with boss, as he text messages wife, belongs to officegirl. If that is true, she is also under boss's spell, and husband's path to freedom cannot be through her.
 

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It might be that SC does not feel supported by the firestorm of response to part 2. Game abandoned. He would not be the first dev to do that.
You all need to calm down. SC Stories already said before the release of Chapter 2 that he was distancing himself from the forums. He also talked about monthly updates and sneak peaks the day before the release of Chapter 2, so please give him some space.
 

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Are we suggesting that the dev asked for only positive reactions, or did I read that wrong?
Some here confuse positivity=conformity with their own moral vision or =positive and uplifitng impact on their own vibe/mood/energy with a positive judgment concerning the artistic quality of writing and visuals (the latter was overwhelmingly the case here in the thread).
 
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If the blond girl in bed is Addison . That might explain why a preview is of Addison (we think) and Vivian in a kiss. That said, maybe the next twisted chapter of Chris is to have them both in his bed ???
 

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Are we suggesting that the dev asked for only positive reactions, or did I read that wrong?
"The stories I create are stories that interest me and I share them to give back to the community in hopes like minded others will enjoy them as well. I welcome constructive feedback to help translate my vision to the screen. I'm mostly interested if this style of story telling is effective. If you wish to support me, leave a positive comment in the forum. This will help keep me motivated to continue the project. Thank you. "

He does not ask for only positive reactions. But he does say he seeks encouragement to continue and positive reactions would help with that.
 

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First of all SC has never been super active on the forum, 10 day breaks are the norm for him. Working on the release of part 2 has probably severely strained his time resources, so he needs to take care of life stuff, which is why he wrote right away that part 3 will be later than originally planned. He may also have gotten signals from other devs not to look for the first few days after the release - because it's just unnecessary frustration.
 

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Some here confuse positivity=conformity with their own moral vision or =positive and uplifitng impact on their own vibe/mood/energy with a positive judgment concerning the artistic quality of writing and visuals (the latter was overwhelmingly the case here in the thread).
Some here think disagreement with their view of the game is about their critic's conformity to a moral vision. Conformity to any moral vision whatever is not contemplated in this game.
 
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First of all SC has never been super active on the forum, 10 day breaks are the norm for him. Working on the release of part 2 has probably severely strained his time resources, so he needs to take care of life stuff, which is why he wrote right away that part 3 will be later than originally planned. He may also have gotten signals from other devs not to look for the first few days after the release - because it's just unnecessary frustration.
Oh, yes, unnecessary frustration. Thanks for making my point.
 

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Well, there were some who called the discussion of chracters vicious (it couldn't getting more moral than that)- you probably just overlooked that.

I don't know since when you read this thread but two thirds of all discussions here are about different moral implications and readings of the story, if we want it or not.
 
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Well, there were some who called the discussion of chracters vicious (it couldn't getting more moral than that)- you probably just overlooked that.
Sorry if you felt moraled against. Yes, the slut calling was out of hand and uncalled for in my opinion. Things have moderated somewhat. I would not call that a moral change. This game is not a moral tale.
 

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really - so far, straight ahead nothing in this story is unusual, unprecedented. The only scene thatbothers me out and I think that it could not happen (not at this stage, not with such a woman) is the sex scene in the car , under the house. All the rest - life.
 

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Now the thing that sticks out with me and I just can't wrap my head around , so from what we have seen Vivian has always maintained/stated that prior to Christian she's never had any prior thoughts of cheating or even thought about/considered another man

Now the bit that trips me up with this or that I'm on the fence about is that if she has truly never had those thoughts before I genuinely do not see how/understand how she could be seduced by Christian within 5 seconds of meeting him (her words) for me it just doesn't fit , so for me I just don't see how she could have her head turned in that way so to speak that quickly without either already having those thoughts or previous encounters ( now I'm not saying she has)

What I'm saying is that for someone to be married 25 odd years and has never had thoughts of cheating or other men during that time to be seduced/fall for another man within five seconds of meeting them doesn't really fit with the narrative of her claims of loyalty during the marriage

So in a nutshell 2+2 is not adding up to 4 in regards to the situation/information we have at the moment
My thoughts on it are that Vivian built herself up a picture of Christian based on what Hutch had been saying about testosterone levels - I don't think too much was said on camera, as most of it was on the way to Christian's house, but Hutch did say something the night before. Then Christian arrives while Vivian has worked herself up into a bit of a state. She's flustered at not being able to get in as expected, and she's been singularly focused on what she's going to say.

Side note, I always chuckle at the coding at the end of this particular line from the script itself:
Vivian: "Yes, he's very distraught about these events but I'm certain you'll be impressed with his...{/size}"

Christian presumably arrived shortly after Vivian, it's even possible he was there first, just sitting in his car finishing a phonecall. Either way, even if it's just on the walk up to the door, he was probably thinking to himself "Hello there..." He then gets right up close and practically scares Vivian, and while he's 100% prepared for what he's doing, she's at the opposite end of that scale. I think that's the "perfect storm" that led to her legs buckling, and he catches her, holds on a bit longer than necessary, and by then he's well on the way to his victory.

I do think Vivian's wording may be a bit incorrect though, as she asks how he could have seduced her in five seconds like that - the knees-buckling moment was just the start of the seduction, not the whole thing. It continued into the office, and was sealed with a kiss, so to speak.
Indirect evidence - such a post-college. What kind of ? you do not perceive ?

The ease with which Addi comes into direct contact with Hutch, reserved for those closest to her (hugging, stroking her head). Conversations that suggest something more. Great scene when Vi comes to the office

Dialogue about Addi



Chris - [Addi] gains on closer acquaintance

Vi - How many people get this far

Chris - [camera movement, looks at Hutch] Not that many.

Chris - to what do I owe the pleasure [of coming].

Vi- [camera movement, looks at Hutch].



However, the lack of a concrete statement that there was nothing between them on Hutch's part, as if he was circling the subject himself.
Dreams about Addison - as if she has a 3rd sense that senses such things.


On the other hand, knowledge of such a situation in the hands of CHris is truly gold. Especially if she actually sleeps with him, especially if she feels scorned by Hutch.
Ah okay, you've got the wording completely incorrect then, because what you've provided is not evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) of what you're saying it is. We literally have a couple of moments where Addison is being friendly and supportive of Hutch - and it should be noted that it's all one-way as well, Hutch doesn't do anything to reciprocate. Vivian having a dream about Hutch and Addison is so far away from being evidence that I don't know why you've mentioned it in the same post.
If the blond girl in bed is Addison . That might explain why a preview is of Addison (we think) and Vivian in a kiss. That said, maybe the next twisted chapter of Chris is to have them both in his bed ???
Don't forget that it's not necessarily from the game, so I wouldn't call it a preview. Can you imagine Vivian's reaction though if Christian does try to work a threesome with Addison? First the "she's your niece" bit, and then the "young and pretty" jealousy bit, and then the "thinking about Hutch and Addison" bit. I'd be surprised if it didn't go more the way of Reese than the way of Sunshine and Rain!
 
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really - so far, straight ahead nothing in this story is unusual, unprecedented. The only scene that grosses me out and I think that it could not happen (not at this stage, not with such a woman) is the sex scene in the car , under the house. All the rest - life.
So, in your life you have witnessed faithful women after 22 years of marriage, feeling seduced and week kneed 5 seconds after meeting some guy? You have witnessed lovers sending their partner to be raped, and then the partner returning with murder in her eye ending up asking for loving gentle sex with him?
 

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witness ... yes, some yes (not at the level of voyeurism) . The others ... are happening and that much is known.
 
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Ah okay, you've got the wording completely incorrect then, because what you've provided is not evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) of what you're saying it is. We literally have a couple of moments where Addison is being friendly and supportive of Hutch - and it should be noted that it's all one-way as well, Hutch doesn't do anything to reciprocate. Vivian having a dream about Hutch and Addison is so far away from being evidence that I don't know why you've mentioned it in the same post.
He doesn't answer because he knows that in front of witnesses it's crossing some boundaries*. However, the fact that she freely crosses them and he only meekly allows himself to be hugged (the other way would even be called sexual harassment) and stroked, clearly indicates that this is not the first time.... Perhaps one evening, at a late lunch, etc....

*Note at one point Maxwell's reaction to this cajoling
 
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