noahsombrero

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Some here confuse positivity=conformity with their own moral vision or =positive and uplifitng impact on their own vibe/mood/energy with a positive judgment concerning the artistic quality of writing and visuals (the latter was overwhelmingly the case here in the thread).
Some here think disagreement with their view of the game is about their critic's conformity to a moral vision. Conformity to any moral vision whatever is not contemplated in this game.
 
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First of all SC has never been super active on the forum, 10 day breaks are the norm for him. Working on the release of part 2 has probably severely strained his time resources, so he needs to take care of life stuff, which is why he wrote right away that part 3 will be later than originally planned. He may also have gotten signals from other devs not to look for the first few days after the release - because it's just unnecessary frustration.
Oh, yes, unnecessary frustration. Thanks for making my point.
 

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Well, there were some who called the discussion of chracters vicious (it couldn't getting more moral than that)- you probably just overlooked that.

I don't know since when you read this thread but two thirds of all discussions here are about different moral implications and readings of the story, if we want it or not.
 
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Well, there were some who called the discussion of chracters vicious (it couldn't getting more moral than that)- you probably just overlooked that.
Sorry if you felt moraled against. Yes, the slut calling was out of hand and uncalled for in my opinion. Things have moderated somewhat. I would not call that a moral change. This game is not a moral tale.
 

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really - so far, straight ahead nothing in this story is unusual, unprecedented. The only scene thatbothers me out and I think that it could not happen (not at this stage, not with such a woman) is the sex scene in the car , under the house. All the rest - life.
 

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Now the thing that sticks out with me and I just can't wrap my head around , so from what we have seen Vivian has always maintained/stated that prior to Christian she's never had any prior thoughts of cheating or even thought about/considered another man

Now the bit that trips me up with this or that I'm on the fence about is that if she has truly never had those thoughts before I genuinely do not see how/understand how she could be seduced by Christian within 5 seconds of meeting him (her words) for me it just doesn't fit , so for me I just don't see how she could have her head turned in that way so to speak that quickly without either already having those thoughts or previous encounters ( now I'm not saying she has)

What I'm saying is that for someone to be married 25 odd years and has never had thoughts of cheating or other men during that time to be seduced/fall for another man within five seconds of meeting them doesn't really fit with the narrative of her claims of loyalty during the marriage

So in a nutshell 2+2 is not adding up to 4 in regards to the situation/information we have at the moment
My thoughts on it are that Vivian built herself up a picture of Christian based on what Hutch had been saying about testosterone levels - I don't think too much was said on camera, as most of it was on the way to Christian's house, but Hutch did say something the night before. Then Christian arrives while Vivian has worked herself up into a bit of a state. She's flustered at not being able to get in as expected, and she's been singularly focused on what she's going to say.

Side note, I always chuckle at the coding at the end of this particular line from the script itself:
Vivian: "Yes, he's very distraught about these events but I'm certain you'll be impressed with his...{/size}"

Christian presumably arrived shortly after Vivian, it's even possible he was there first, just sitting in his car finishing a phonecall. Either way, even if it's just on the walk up to the door, he was probably thinking to himself "Hello there..." He then gets right up close and practically scares Vivian, and while he's 100% prepared for what he's doing, she's at the opposite end of that scale. I think that's the "perfect storm" that led to her legs buckling, and he catches her, holds on a bit longer than necessary, and by then he's well on the way to his victory.

I do think Vivian's wording may be a bit incorrect though, as she asks how he could have seduced her in five seconds like that - the knees-buckling moment was just the start of the seduction, not the whole thing. It continued into the office, and was sealed with a kiss, so to speak.
Indirect evidence - such a post-college. What kind of ? you do not perceive ?

The ease with which Addi comes into direct contact with Hutch, reserved for those closest to her (hugging, stroking her head). Conversations that suggest something more. Great scene when Vi comes to the office

Dialogue about Addi



Chris - [Addi] gains on closer acquaintance

Vi - How many people get this far

Chris - [camera movement, looks at Hutch] Not that many.

Chris - to what do I owe the pleasure [of coming].

Vi- [camera movement, looks at Hutch].



However, the lack of a concrete statement that there was nothing between them on Hutch's part, as if he was circling the subject himself.
Dreams about Addison - as if she has a 3rd sense that senses such things.


On the other hand, knowledge of such a situation in the hands of CHris is truly gold. Especially if she actually sleeps with him, especially if she feels scorned by Hutch.
Ah okay, you've got the wording completely incorrect then, because what you've provided is not evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) of what you're saying it is. We literally have a couple of moments where Addison is being friendly and supportive of Hutch - and it should be noted that it's all one-way as well, Hutch doesn't do anything to reciprocate. Vivian having a dream about Hutch and Addison is so far away from being evidence that I don't know why you've mentioned it in the same post.
If the blond girl in bed is Addison . That might explain why a preview is of Addison (we think) and Vivian in a kiss. That said, maybe the next twisted chapter of Chris is to have them both in his bed ???
Don't forget that it's not necessarily from the game, so I wouldn't call it a preview. Can you imagine Vivian's reaction though if Christian does try to work a threesome with Addison? First the "she's your niece" bit, and then the "young and pretty" jealousy bit, and then the "thinking about Hutch and Addison" bit. I'd be surprised if it didn't go more the way of Reese than the way of Sunshine and Rain!
 
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really - so far, straight ahead nothing in this story is unusual, unprecedented. The only scene that grosses me out and I think that it could not happen (not at this stage, not with such a woman) is the sex scene in the car , under the house. All the rest - life.
So, in your life you have witnessed faithful women after 22 years of marriage, feeling seduced and week kneed 5 seconds after meeting some guy? You have witnessed lovers sending their partner to be raped, and then the partner returning with murder in her eye ending up asking for loving gentle sex with him?
 

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witness ... yes, some yes (not at the level of voyeurism) . The others ... are happening and that much is known.
 
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Ah okay, you've got the wording completely incorrect then, because what you've provided is not evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) of what you're saying it is. We literally have a couple of moments where Addison is being friendly and supportive of Hutch - and it should be noted that it's all one-way as well, Hutch doesn't do anything to reciprocate. Vivian having a dream about Hutch and Addison is so far away from being evidence that I don't know why you've mentioned it in the same post.
He doesn't answer because he knows that in front of witnesses it's crossing some boundaries*. However, the fact that she freely crosses them and he only meekly allows himself to be hugged (the other way would even be called sexual harassment) and stroked, clearly indicates that this is not the first time.... Perhaps one evening, at a late lunch, etc....

*Note at one point Maxwell's reaction to this cajoling
 

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witness ... yes, some yes (not at the level of voyeurism) . The others ... are happening and that much is known.
Please provide any reports you have of lovers sending partners to be raped, and her reaction as described here. Maybe I have led a sheltered life.
 

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Please provide any reports you have of lovers sending partners to be raped, and her reaction as described here. Maybe I have led a sheltered life.
you may have read about it in the newspapers - France, a husband drugged his wife and sold her for various sexual practices. There was quite a buzz about it ....
. Classic boss-subordinate domination, a situation so common that society has passed over it.

But we are entering into a completely unhelpful discourse
 
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you may have read about it in the newspapers - France, a husband drugged his wife and sold her for various sexual practices. There was quite a buzz about it ....
And quite uncommon even for France. But even that is not the same thing. Wife here is not being drugged. She is being sent unawares to be raped. And she is quite incensed about it until she finds herself asking for loving sex. Rather than prosecuting him for what he has done.

You have not given me an example of that.

. Classic boss-subordinate domination, a situation so common that society has passed over it.

But we are entering into a completely unhelpful discourse
boss-subordinate. Yes, quite common, but employees are not sent to be raped as far as I know. Sorry to hear you don't feel helped.

I don't mean to be adversarial. But I do think this story is dark fantasy as advertised. Real Life is not a dark fantasy, although it can be plainly dark.
 

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I don't want to defend Chris, but he wasn't sure how it would go. He simply sent her to arrange the signing, and he was told that Vi liked sex. So much. How it turned out... well, she could have left without a signature, but in fact she decided on her own (or that's how she was set up) that she wouldn't get a signature without giving an ass.
The same way Harvey Weinstein acted.
So don't play dumb.
Unfortunately, such things happen.
 

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He doesn't answer because he knows that in front of witnesses it's crossing some boundaries*. However, the fact that she freely crosses them and he only meekly allows himself to be hugged (the other way would even be called sexual harassment) and stroked, clearly indicates that this is not the first time.... Perhaps one evening, at a late lunch, etc....

*Note at one point Maxwell's reaction to this cajoling
If you're going to take that to mean that they've secretly been fucking, maybe you actually live in a porno, where everyone is fucking everyone else at the drop of a hat... A friend hugging you when you've just been told you're possibly going to be fired is not a sign that your relationship is more than friends. Once again, you're looking so hard that you're seeing things that aren't there.

What it might be a sign of, but we have not had confirmed, is that Addison quite likes Hutch and wouldn't mind something happening between them. It might also just be that she is friendly - "very sweet, once she gets to know you" - and is trying to comfort a friend after some bad news.

I don't know if you've ever worked in an office (or any other workplace, actually) with a good mix of male and female employees, but if you have, chances are you've witnessed two colleagues hugging - where both participated - despite them not being in any sort of relationship outside of work. The last big office I worked in, I can recall a good half dozen female colleagues giving me a hug and/or a kiss on the cheek for various reasons and at various times. One was having a bad week and we ended up literally stood in a meeting room hugging for five minutes because she needed a literal shoulder to cry on. Like the others, I didn't have any sort of a relationship with her outside of work, literally seeing her twice on nights out with the team over about five years working together, and nothing beyond that. Not all friends fuck...
 

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I don't want to defend Chris, but he wasn't sure how it would go. He simply sent her to arrange the signing, and he was told that Vi liked sex.
The things the rapist said sure sounded to me like he was promised.

When wife gets back and accuses boss, he tells her, "I own you. You will go to whoever I tell you and they will do to
you as I allow."

Boss doesn't get that pass from me. That doesn't sound to me like he wasn't sure how it would go.

So much. How it turned out... well, she could have left without a signature,
That is not how rape works.

but in fact she decided on her own (or that's how she was set up) that she wouldn't get a signature without giving an ass.
The same way Harvey Weinstein acted.
Still not the same.

So don't play dumb.
Unfortunately, such things happen.
Not quite like this, I think. But I might be sheltered. I still say the way she ends up asking for loving sex is not what a woman would do. She would rave and bash the guy and prosecute him if possible. Like Harvey, like the French druggist.
 

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I wrote once - I had such an assistant Addison, even behind the back they said she was my “office wife”. Also I know what is acceptable in work-relationships and what can already be a problem. There were practically only women in the company....


according to me (about Addison) - there is something to it, and we will find out soon.
In addition - the author himself points out - whether in the words of Maxwell or Chris that certain barriers have been crossed


Besides, we are getting into too personall issues...
 
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Dark Fantasy
Because she feels seduced and week kneed 5 seconds after meeting the guy
Because she walks into that bedroom in the presence of her husband and proceeds to fuck the night away honeymoon style with husband sitting outside the door listening to her cries of pleasure
Because she accepts that boss owns her and will whore her out any old time instead of prosecuting the bastard.

Because she simply cannot let go of husband either.

This is not real. A Real Woman would not do behave this way. Although she might cheat her ass off. But not like this.
 

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You all need to calm down. SC Stories already said before the release of Chapter 2 that he was distancing himself from the forums. He also talked about monthly updates and sneak peaks the day before the release of Chapter 2, so please give him some space.
Probably for the best so he doesn't get influenced and bring the game/story like intended.
 
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