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"Better lover" perhaps, as I think that's all it boils down to - I read "take you places I can't" as acknowledging that Christian is better in the bedroom than Hutch is, can do things to her that Hutch can't/that Hutch can't make her feel the way Christian does. I don't remember any comparison being made outside of a sexual sense, off the top of my head (other than a couple of comments I think Christian made in private, belittling Hutch).
I understood "take you places I can't" in a more materialist way : Christian is way more wealthy than me, he can give you more than me (the select restaurant, the dresses) :unsure:.
But maybe you're right.
And of course I agree with you about "better lover".
 
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So theres a couple of things I've been more curious around for the future chapters that I genuinely can't really gauge potential outcomes so to speak There are only 'hints' to work off of. Chapter 1 is the intro, but chapter 2 is character motivation and development. Still... that doesn't really point to any particular events or other themes in the game. We know two high school boys have an eye on Vivian. The basketball player got a little plug time and now phone numbers are exchanged. Now how the developer has hit on student/teacher relationship of morally right verse wrong--that likely will be a future theme {{Vivian's emotional gymnastics dealing with that kind of relationship}}

Vivans breaking point ( if there is to be one) - based on what's happened in ch2 I'm struggling to think of a scenario that would actually act as her breaking point/ wake up call ( again if there is to be one) but on the other side where does she draw the line while maintaining/ giving the impression that she is maintaining the marriage as this is looking like a slippery slope and she's all baby oiled up so I don't see how she's gonna slow down BREAKING POINT has already been reached... forget the whole Sunshine/Rain event, Vivian went out on the prowl. Even if Vivian hadn't met the two, the scene could have gone on with some rando guy hitting on Vivian and since it's a kinetic novel, Vivian would have cheated for real (in her own mind.) To this point Vivian has had convenient excuses to explain away her behavior... But with just some random guy...random sex that would have been black and white cheating (...and why I said earlier, it would have been a better scene than the 3some). Don't get me wrong Vivian cheated...she knows she cheated and there are no convenient excuses to fall on...just took forever to get there

Hutch/the marriage - so if the marriage doesn't end and she continues with Christian I genuinely don't see hutch turning into the submissive cuck that grows to eventually enjoy it , if anything with this I'd see his resentment start to grow and he slowly starts poisoning her food or something similar to munchausen by proxy ( but not murder) she can't fuck if she can't walk/leave the house .... Also if Christian calls for Vivian part of me would find it hilarious in this situation if she was like my husband says I'm not allowed to play with you no more :ROFLMAO: Here is where I'm just spit balling with my guesses. Hutch knows about Christian/Vivian... isn't happy about it. Hutch however doesn't know about the others. He wasn't expecting his wife to get railed in a hotel; had no way that was going to happen. Am just guessing though Hutch isn't cool with Christian/Vivian, I'm thinking it's a bridge way too far if it's also Vivian's students

So the marriage let's say for the sake of argument the marriage somehow survives the shit storm it's currently going through, Vivian is without a shadow of a doubt going to come back to it as a completely different person mentally, physically, sexually and any other allys you want to add .... So for hutch it is essentially going to be like a stranger has showed up claiming to be his wife so to speak (even though yes, it's still his wife but it's not going to be the person he married) I think the whole game only has bad endings. When, where and how can either Hutch/Vivian get past this? I think Vivian mentioned 24 years of marriage...? Hutch isn't going to walk out of this intact. He's already been made a cuck, his faith and trust shattered, his self-image gone--at this stage and it's only going to get worst. (even though yes, it's still his wife but it's not going to be the person he married)--BINGO! That isn't a marriage anymore save it only being on paper.

And for me I just don't know if I see hutch going for Vivian mk69 even if you take the sexual element away she is almost a POW ( war element aside ) but you get the point it's likely that she's going to struggle to re adapt See that is where it's anyone's guess. Where is the story going.

Is it a story where Christain whores out Vivian both for a power trip, ego journey, and useful tool?
Has chapters 1 & 2 just a lead up to Vivian's decent down a dark path?
Perhaps it's a story that has both Hutch/Vivian destroyed because of their character weaknesses?
...etc....

That leads up to the end game. Just how bad can it all end... what other themes are in the works... I've noticed a small factor that's been skirted. We know Christain has been snipped (why would the developer include that information), Sunshine brought up going it raw without a condom (again that information, was it useful or needed to put into the story) --most games don't even bother pointing out general biological facts like getting knocked up; so I wonder if that is an ending. That all aside, I've noticed Vivian is clinging on to not 'emotionally' cheating on Hutch, just the physical cheating, but maybe at some point Vivian will emotionally cheat on Hutch-- to the point where she doesn't care about consequences like her marriage or Hutch's feelings
This are all stupid bullshit that does not fit with the skill of the author....
you are just trying to suggest the developer to change a story that has only one path.... the endings are just
endings are the least interesting thing a story of this kind...
no adult wants "the moral of the story."
We don't need to be educated!
We are not children who need to be told fairy tales with happy endings to keep them from crying...

but i can give you an hint about how to open a new path without causing the disaster I read in your post that would make this amazing story sinnile to hundreds of novels seen and revised always the same as your poor imagination shows in this wall of meaningless words

My hint for open in a different path is written in the Vivian tattoo Screenshot 2025-06-25 at 18.32.07.jpg

All that we see or seen us but a dream within a dream(y)

so even though it would be disappointing to know that this captivating story is just a dream... the concept of living a dream within a dream could open up the possibility that there is a way to wake up within another dream and then yet another... until you don't know what the reality is...
well what I can say is that the tattoo on the back of Vivian's neck is very intriguing and opens up the possibility of learning about the past of this beautiful woman teacher mother and wife

however I am really sure that none of your wild guesses are possible because it makes the story too silly and already written in many other games...

the path was chosen by her husband here!

Vivian is not able to choose because she is addicted to extreme sex... she would like to stop Chris and the other men but her body betrays her and she will accept anything...
she likes to be raped...
and we need to understand why this weakness of hers.
Her tattoos may be a clue and will certainly tell us one or more unexpected stories about her past
 
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As for Christian vs Hutch in bed. This is a mystery. Why, Because Vivian has not open up the bedroom like she has with Christian. Every time Hutch tried to get adventurous she shut him down. Maybe if she let him have adventurous sex.....she would be surprised . It might change the game.
 
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"Better lover" perhaps, as I think that's all it boils down to - I read "take you places I can't" as acknowledging that Christian is better in the bedroom than Hutch is, can do things to her that Hutch can't/that Hutch can't make her feel the way Christian does. I don't remember any comparison being made outside of a sexual sense, off the top of my head (other than a couple of comments I think Christian made in private, belittling Hutch).
I understood "take you places I can't" in a more materialist way : Christian is way more wealthy than me, he can give you more than me (the select restaurant, the dresses) :unsure:
But maybe you're right.
I think you're both right. He's talking in a materialist sense, but also a lover sense as well, IMO. My boi Hutch appears to be having some self confidence/testosterone issues I think...I mean, IDK what else could be wrong with him, to be allowing the shit that's taking place right in front of him. He doesn't seem like a cuck or anything as he's not exactly getting off to it, or seeming happy about the situation. He just seems so...idk...dead inside? or what o_O

Maybe he's actually got some plan, and he's just biding his time to get back at both of them, but I don't really see it tbh...:cautious:

I wonder if he's going to remain the same, emotionally beaten passenger boi we've been dealing with or not in CH3. :unsure:

As for Christian vs Hutch in bed. This is a mystery. Why, Because Vivian has not open up the bedroom like she has with Christian. Every time Hutch tried to get adventurous she shut him down. Maybe if she let him have adventurous sex.....she would be surprised . It might change the game.
Yeah I did say a few pages back or so this exact thing. But if she did just open up a little, over the course of her 20+ year fucking marriage. We wouldn't have a story I guess :ROFLMAO:

Also, I'm gonna bet right now, that Vivian will not have sex with Hutch once, over the course of the rest of the game. That ship has SURELY sailed...:censored:
 
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If they are not already made that way. He has most all his renders done in advance... as for me... I a man ass man !
I'm not a difficult man, I like both ! ;)
I know it has been said at least a thousand times, but I really love what SC Stories has made with Vivian, she's perfect to me. I mean physically of course, because mentally it's more :eek:.
 

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I understood "take you places I can't" in a more materialist way : Christian is way more wealthy than me, he can give you more than me (the select restaurant, the dresses) :unsure:.
But maybe you're right.
And of course I agree with you about "better lover".
It was just the context for me, what they were talking about when he said it. Realistically, Christian can probably take Vivian places Hutch can't in a literal sense as well though - Féng's and the dresses being good little examples. Ultimately, I think it was more about "he can give you the sort of pleasure I can't", although that does bring us on to...
As for Christian vs Hutch in bed. This is a mystery. Why, Because Vivian has not open up the bedroom like she has with Christian. Every time Hutch tried to get adventurous she shut him down. Maybe if she let him have adventurous sex.....she would be surprised . It might change the game.
This is a good point, and one of the possibilities coming up is that the talk Vivian and Hutch have (if they do) following the last scene of Ch2 might open some doors there. Maybe not for Hutch to be able to make Vivian feel like Christian makes her feel in bed, but by exploring a more adventurous path together, they can perhaps improve things in the bedroom and any deficit there can potentially be overcome by the long-standing relationship they have, and the love they have developed over the course of that quarter century of so.
 

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It was just the context for me, what they were talking about when he said it. Realistically, Christian can probably take Vivian places Hutch can't in a literal sense as well though - Féng's and the dresses being good little examples. Ultimately, I think it was more about "he can give you the sort of pleasure I can't", although that does bring us on to...

This is a good point, and one of the possibilities coming up is that the talk Vivian and Hutch have (if they do) following the last scene of Ch2 might open some doors there. Maybe not for Hutch to be able to make Vivian feel like Christian makes her feel in bed, but by exploring a more adventurous path together, they can perhaps improve things in the bedroom and any deficit there can potentially be overcome by the long-standing relationship they have, and the love they have developed over the course of that quarter century of so.
Vivian shared with Sunshine that she doesn't feel that way about sex with Hutch. He is her safety valve...and did not want him to think slutty thing about her. So she would not be open in bed with him. It seem that if Hutch is to change that paradigm... He is going to have to take her at some point ... just like Christian did. Just my thought...
 

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Perhaps that's the point - Hutch knows they've reached the wall and behind it is only divorce. He wants to discover new toys for /with Vi, but knows they're both stuck in a certain paradigm from which they won't free themselves....

That's why he accepts it, puts up with it

Such a redefinition of the relationship, a new opening....
 
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Vivian shared with Sunshine that she doesn't feel that way about sex with Hutch. He is her safety valve...and did not want him to think slutty thing about her. So she would not be open in bed with him. It seem that if Hutch is to change that paradigm... He is going to have to take her at some point ... just like Christian did. Just my thought...
Yeah, that's the thing, she's put herself in that mindset. It's a her problem for sure, we just don't know if it's also a Hutch problem, or how much if so. If she gives him the chance, he could surprise her, but realistically maybe not - unless he's a) hiding something himself ("real animal" quote aside), or b) acting outside of his comfort zone and being someone he isn't.

Some have suggested previously that Hutch might take Vivian in that sense, but at this point, I can't see it happening. Maybe in/after Ch3 once we spend a bit of time with him and see where he's actually at, it will be more likely than it is now, but I just don't think that's Hutch. I guess part of that just comes down to if there's a "snap" in Ch3...

Admittedly though, going back to the Sunshine talk, Hutch's part in that at the moment is more likely to be the equivalent of Rain when Sunshine goes out solo. He'll be hurt and jealous, but understanding, and then when she comes home to him, she makes sure he's satisfied ("Not just sexually, but in all aspects of life"). They're just not there yet in their new dynamic, and it remains to be seen if they ever will be.
 
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Yes... I agree . We need to see what is going to happen to Hutch in chapter 3 . How will he develope. Revenge at Christian, Revenge to Vivian, or make plans ? All is up in the air at this point. Fact is Vivian already has an opinion of Hutch and it is not as a demanding , adventurious sex god. She does see him a a lover... She needs him to be that tender guy she can cuddle up to. And,,, He is. She did mention he "WAS" a tiger once when she wore a sexy nightgown. So, We see he can be that side for her ... but mentally she is not there yet.
 

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We are doing sex therapy talk instead of power, pressure, angst and betrayal talk - and that's the difference between ch 1 and 2 in a nutshell. That's the impact of this Sunshine episode.

Ask yourself: in what movie would you rather go - sex education for midlife or psychological thriller?
 
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Because the meeting with Sunshine is a twist that no one expected , the actual consequences. After all, Sunshine, is doing Vi an accelerated course in life (other than the classic house in the suburbs husband and child/children)




small clarification


Vi is 45 years old, they've been married for 22 years (meaning they got married when she was 23), Sawyer is in his 1st year college, meaning he's about 19 years old - ergo she gave birth to him at 26 (+-1)
 

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THe difference is She ( Sunshine ) laid out a path for Vivian in some life lessons. Problem is she has a support partner in that path. Right Now Vivian does not.....
 
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THe difference is She ( Sunshine ) laid out a path for Vivian in some life lessons. Problem is she has a support partner in that path. Right Now Vivian does not.....
The problem is that Vi can't imagine Hutch in any other role.
Once and the future Husband


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