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I really don't think so, but unless Vivian is playing Christian pretty masterfully, the end of Ch2 does make a good argument for it. So far, one of the main arguments against is a couple of preview renders that haven't come up in the game yet, where Hutch and Vivian clearly appear to be together still. Plus, of course, if they were to split now, that would completely upend the dynamic of the game. I don't think we're there at the moment.
Yes.. One would also think that if she tells Hutch she is now with Christian, That will be the true end of them. Up to this point .. Hutch is giving the open marriage think so she can " Work for Christian " This is way different... to say you are with him now. Like you say, Hutch is still in the game. W see him at the garden party. So they are either together still,,, or he is being blackmailed into it. If it is blackmail it may involve the son maybe.
 
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I really don't think so, but unless Vivian is playing Christian pretty masterfully, the end of Ch2 does make a good argument for it. So far, one of the main arguments against is a couple of preview renders that haven't come up in the game yet, where Hutch and Vivian clearly appear to be together still. Plus, of course, if they were to split now, that would completely upend the dynamic of the game. I don't think we're there at the moment.
The conversation might yet not happen. Yes, we all know where Chapter 2 left off and what Vivian set out to do. She may not do it yet. There may be some other pressing thing that happens that pushes that conversation back. Either Vivian gets cold feet or perhaps an emergency with Hutch. But Either way, I agree, them splitting seriously messes with the dynamics of the game and I can not see it.
 

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I really don't think so, but unless Vivian is playing Christian pretty masterfully, the end of Ch2 does make a good argument for it. So far, one of the main arguments against is a couple of preview renders that haven't come up in the game yet, where Hutch and Vivian clearly appear to be together still. Plus, of course, if they were to split now, that would completely upend the dynamic of the game. I don't think we're there at the moment.
Kinda like when reading a murder mystery and whodunit gets revealed half way through. Yeh, you know there must be more.
 

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So they are either together still,,, or he is being blackmailed into it. If it is blackmail it may involve the son maybe.
I can't help but feel that's getting a bit too far-fetched. At its heart, this has always been a relatively simple game, and although not all have come to be confirmed or debunked yet, the vast majority of our theories always tend to be just too "out there".
Kinda like when reading a murder mystery and whodunit gets revealed half way through. Yeh, you know there must be more.
Not a bad analogy, to be fair.
 
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Guys, GUYS...

I've just had a grand realisation of whom ol Hutchy boi reminds me of, the MC from the first like, 15 minutes of that movie Wanted. A passive ass useless bitch, who's letting his Girlfriend and Best Friend fool around together behind his back, without doing anything about it. Just like dear ol Hutchy here, letting Christian and Vivian get down and do the dirty on him repeatedly, while doing nothing about it.

So therefore, get this...

All we need in this story, is for Angelina Jolie to show up. And then like teach Hutch how to like, curve bullets and shit, find his balls again, etc etc. Would be absolute cinema...:KEK::KEK:

GIVE IT TO ME SC!!!:love::love::love:
 

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I can't help but feel that's getting a bit too far-fetched. At its heart, this has always been a relatively simple game, and although not all have come to be confirmed or debunked yet, the vast majority of our theories always tend to be just too "out there".

Not a bad analogy, to be fair.
Tat is why I think there is a plan afoot... That may also explain why he ( Hutch )just walk away from the window when they pulled up. I could be way off base but , Vivian is the bait in this plan... She has now set the hook so to speak on Christian.
 

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She also made it very clear to Boss that he was to take her straight home after the business meeting at the restaurant. It was not supposed to be a date.

She made it very clear that she was furious with Boss for sending her to be raped. It was not very long though before she is asking for loving sex.

She made it very clear to Boss and Husband that nothing was going to happen while she was in Boss's bed overnight.

Wife does not have a very good record of making up her mind. I don't hold this against her. I don't think she has previously shown herself to be indecisive. She can manage a room full of teenagers, for instance.

Something else is going on.

And after her very clear statement to Boss about how she won't keep pretending she is not with him, she says,
But remember...
And Boss says
I know-I know...Husband...Noble sacrifice...I get it.

So, Wife, which is it? I think she is trying very hard to understand being unable to stand against what Boss wants. She is trying very hard to not have that cost her marriage. Any lie, any deception is better. Because, her marriage is what she really chooses. She will be in a very dark place if she looses that. Will she then be able to stand against Boss? Is that what it takes? Or is there some magic that makes her unable to do that?

The latter is the most likely thing, I suspect, and thus she begins descent into hell. Dark, dark. The time I do believe her is when she says she can't bear the thought of Husband with another woman. That sounds real.

How is this going to cost her marriage? Husband says, "as long as you come home to me at the end of the day." Wife is about to be unable to keep that promise.

I say any speculation you want to offer should at least take these things into account. Otherwise you aren't seeing the whole picture.
dude she pulled his meat out of his pants driving an kissed it before willingly satisfying all of it over an over.. stop it please
 
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dude she pulled his meat out of his pants driving an kissed it before willingly satisfying all of it over an over.. stop it please
Yes, my point was that she has had a very hard time making her mind up. Cannot decide what she really wants. That could be because she really does not want to loose Husband, but cannot act consistently with that. Which is why I asked, so Wife, which is it?

Sure she will do most anything to continue having that rowdy, rough, delightful sex she gets from Boss, even pull his dick out of his pants. But like she told him when he asked, what do you want from me? She wants him to be loving and gentle, which is an emotional need, not at all the same thing as a sexual need. Too bad for Boss that he has not learned the difference, and which one actually motivates people long term, when they are not thinking with their dicks or their vaginas.

If Boss could satisfy Wife's emotional needs, Husband would be toast. So far, no deal.
 

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Kinda like when reading a murder mystery and whodunit gets revealed half way through. Yeh, you know there must be more.
I've been trying to say that a few times: porn is no murder mystery, but some here read it like that. It obeys different rules of storytelling. In porn I need no villain in the classic sense and I need no surprise either. And it's no soap opera either but despite of that still people here are interested if the couple stays together or she has a new love. Instead porn can be about power shifts and dynamics and how they translate into sex, and we see that here. Its about tension and release. It's about opening up opportunities and situations and closing others. It's not the three act storytelling we are used to by Hollywood. The voyeur (we all) doesn't need surpises in the trivial sense to be excited, but he wants to see more and more and he feels tension if he is restricted or excluded or blocked from view again. This should be the rhythm of a good porn story.
 

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I've been trying to say that a few times: porn is no murder mystery, but some here read it like that. It obeys different rules of storytelling. In porn I need no villain in the classic sense and I need no surprise either. And it's no soap opera either but despite of that still people here are interested if the couple stays together or she has a new love. Instead porn can be about power shifts and dynamics and how they translate into sex, and we see that here. Its about tension and release. It's about opening up opportunities and situations and closing others. It's not the three act storytelling we are used to by Hollywood. The voyeur (we all) doesn't need surpises in the trivial sense to be excited, but he wants to see more and more and he feels tension if he is restricted or excluded or blocked from view again. This should be the rhythm of a good porn story.
In spite of which, SC presents us with a fully developed story complete with a dire villain, but no hero. If the good guys are to be saved, they must save themselves. How horrible.

You are right though, SC could simply descend into an harem story, or a ntr story, or an incest story where everybody fucks the mc and is remarkably happy to do that. If that were what SC had in mind he would not have bothered to devise this Machiavellian plot. I think. SC does seem to be a smart deliberate sort of guy.
 

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No tenderness in him. I think so too. And Wife is starting to let her emotional needs be known. Normally a woman will not give up on that. I don't buy the one dimensional view of her. Otherwise she simply would not have said, I want you to be loving and gentle with me.

I hear the fury in her when she said, we will not speak of the escort thing again. You think she really does not mean that? That final session after the final sex was very much about what he can expect from her going forward.
I think Vivian means it, but Vivian's "fury" doesn't intimidate Christian in the slightest. If Vivian thinks her anger will keep Christian from disclosing "anything" it is more of her deluding herself. Even when he seems like he is momentarily startled, Christian knows he can play her like a fiddle. If he decides to disclose to Hutch that he is using Vivian as an escort, the worst that will happen is that Vivian will yell at Christian, show how enraged she is, and Christian will flip it around with her either sucking his dick or letting him fuck her. He will tell her some ridiculous nonsense that doesn't make any sense, like telling her that he had her assaulted by Mr. Reese because that is what she really wanted, and despite how crazy it is he will have Vivian believing it. Given Christian's obvious sadism, I think he will make sure Hutch knows that Vivian is being pimped out. He may not tell him directly. but he could "arrange" for Hutch to find out.
 
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I think Vivian means it, but Vivian's "fury" doesn't intimidate Christian in the slightest. If Vivian thinks her anger will keep Christian from disclosing "anything" it is more of her deluding herself.
Disclosing was not what she wants to prevent.

Even when he seems like he is momentarily startled, Christian knows he can play her like a fiddle. If he decides to disclose to Hutch that he is using Vivian as an escort, the worst that will happen is that Vivian will yell at Christian, show how enraged she is, and Christian will flip it around with her either sucking his dick or letting him fuck her. He will tell her some ridiculous nonsense that doesn't make any sense, like telling her that he had her assaulted by Mr. Reese because that is what she really wanted, and despite how crazy it is he will have Vivian believing it. Given Christian's obvious sadism, I think he will make sure Hutch knows that Vivian is being pimped out. He may not tell him directly. but he could "arrange" for Hutch to find out.
I think you have completely misread the situation. Wife's rage comes from being sent there to be raped. Whether she felt pleasure during the event has nothing to do with it, much to the surprise of rapists everywhere. If Husband finds out it will have no reflection on her. It was rape after all.

If Boss crosses that boundary again and tries to pimp her out, Wife would have nothing more to do with him. That is what her fury tells me. But you are right Boss probably did not get the message.

My suspicion is that wife is falling for the ancient fantasy that for her, the monster will reform and become a nice guy and bring with him his incredible dick.
This fantasy has endless permutations
for me the bank robber will go straight and get a job
for me the drunk will get sober
for me the philanderer will be faithful

No, they won't; there is no magic between your legs that can cause any such transformation.
 
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Disclosing was not what she wants to prevent.



I think you have completely misread the situation. Wife's rage comes from being sent there to be raped. Whether she felt pleasure during the event has nothing to do with it, much to the surprise of rapists everywhere. If Husband finds out about it will have no reflection on her. It was rape after all.

If Boss crosses that boundary again and tries to pimp her out, Wife would have nothing more to do with him. That is what her fury tells me. But you are right Boss probably did not get the message.
I am not quite sure if I get all of your response. I know Vivian's rage was the result of her being sent to see Mr. Reese with the intention of him assaulting her. My point is that Christian does not see Vivian's rage or anger as anything that is difficult to deal with. She can come at Christian screaming and waving her hands in the air hysterically, and he will simply manipulate her into believing whatever he tells her. When I said that Christian would flip it around, I was not referring to Vivian being turned on by the situation with Mr. Reese. I meant that he can manipulate her so easily that he can take her from screaming at him in anger in one moment to sucking his dick or letting him fuck her in the next. I don't see this changing even if he brought up the situation with Mr. Reese again, or if he disclosed the situation to Hutch. It appears Christian has Vivian wrapped around his little finger.

A possible twist that I have mentioned in other posts, is that Vivian's mind being so broken by Christian could backfire on him by her taking him out. That could be one of the ways that story gets darker. One scenario could be Vivian realizing what a shell of herself she has become and lashing out at Christian because she blames him for destroying her life. Another scenario could be her being so obsessed with Christian that she kills him when he finally casts her aside for a new target. There are many possible endings, but I think these are two of them.
 
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If Boss crosses that boundary again and tries to pimp her out, Wife would have nothing more to do with him. That is what her fury tells me. But you are right Boss probably did not get the message.
Cap.

Vivian has shown, literally 0 signs of actually having any self control, or ever being able to say no to Christian. She is pretty much, for lack of a better word, his “bitch” she literally folds to him no matter what. So I really don’t see where people are getting this whole, she will just walk away/ defy him!! No she fucking won’t lmao. :LOL:

She just a hoe, who has fallen for Christian. She’s just gonna be his property now, and she will enjoy it. The ball is now in my boi Hutchys court, to spice this story up and give us some lovely drama. Because Vivian is pretty much done arc wise. IMO
 
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I am not quite sure if I get all of your response. I know Vivian's rage was the result of her being sent to see Mr. Reese with the intention of him assaulting her. My point is that Christian does not see Vivian's rage or anger as anything that is difficult to deal with. She can come at Christian screaming and waving her hands in the air hysterically, and he will simply manipulate her into believing whatever he tells her. When I said that Christian would flip it around, I was not referring to Vivian being turned on by the situation with Mr. Reese. I meant that he can manipulate her so easily that he can take her from screaming at him in anger in one moment to sucking his dick or letting him fuck her in the next. I don't see this changing even if he brought up the situation with Mr. Reese again, or if he disclosed the situation to Hutch. It appears Christian has Vivian wrapped around his little finger.
Have you ever thought with your dick and later regretted it? Wife is right now thinking with her vagina and sure enough, she will realize her mistake. Sometimes it takes a few years for the light to dawn. This time, I suspect Boss is going to try to pimp her out again and it will be all over in the not too distant future.

A possible twist that I have mentioned in other posts, is that Vivian's mind being so broken by Christian could backfire on him by her taking him out. That could be one of the ways that story gets darker. One scenario could be Vivian realizing what a shell of herself she has become and lashing out at Christian because she blames him for destroying her life. Another scenario could be her being so obsessed with Christian that she kills him when he finally casts her aside for a new target. There are many possible endings, but I think these are two of them.
Yes, and no amount of button pushing or manipulation will save him if it comes to that. We can hope that Wife realizes that the fault was in believing her fantasies and does not kill anybody. Most people do get past thinking with their gonads and make wiser choices next time.

The lesson that most of us learn somewhere in our teens and twenties is that you cannot choose a life partner based on who gives you the most powerful orgasm. Life partnering is much much more complex than that. You do want to be able to complete the act to a mutual satisfaction. Given sufficient emotional motivation, that is mostly guaranteed. And that is sufficient to the purpose. Now let's get about the business of building a life together.
 
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Have you ever thought with your dick and later regretted it? Wife is right now thinking with her vagina and sure enough, she will realize her mistake. Sometimes it takes a few years for the light to dawn. This time, I suspect Boss is going to try to pimp her out again and it will be all over in the not too distant future.



Yes, and no amount of button pushing or manipulation will save him if it comes to that. We can hope that Wife realizes that the fault was in believing her fantasies and does not kill anybody. Most people do get past thinking with their gonads and make wiser choices next time.

The lesson that most of us learn somewhere in our teens and twenties is that you cannot choose a life partner based on who gives you the most powerful orgasm. Life partnering is much much more complex than that. You do want to be able to complete the act to a mutual satisfaction. Given sufficient emotional motivation, that is mostly guaranteed. And it is sufficient to the purpose. Now let's get about the business of building a life together.
There is more to Vivian's obsession with Christian than just her thinking with her vagina. Christian has dug his hooks into her on an emotional and psychological level. The progression of this was greatly accelerated in this story. Vivian likes the way that Christian fucks her, but his hooks are much deeper in her than that. That, and his manipulating her guilt when all of this started, is why he is able to humiliate and degrade her. In your response, you refer to people in there teens and twenties. Vivian is 45 and knows better. Christian knows Vivian's insecurities, and the insecurities of women just like her, and he knows how to use those insecurities to dig his claws into them, just like he did Vivian. None of this justifies Vivian's behavior. If she was a good wife she would have made a lot of different decisions (Not going to the office behind her husband's back, refusing the blue dress, telling Hutch the truth about the dress, not giving Christian a bj or fucking him the first night, and on and on).

On Vivian taking out Christian. That is a possible ending, but that is the type of fire that someone like Christian is playing with when he plays these kinds games with people. Mind games can lead people to go berserk and do things they would not normally do, and do things they greatly regret (this could be any of Christian's victims, not just Hutch and Vivian). I don't know how this story is going to end, but according to SC Stories it will be dark.
 

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Have you ever thought with your dick and later regretted it? Wife is right now thinking with her vagina and sure enough, she will realize her mistake.
Completely wrong analogy. there is no woman thinking with her vagina like a man thinking with his dick, it's just nonsense. There are women being completely lost in their emotions and their need for a man, his presence, his approval, his commitment etc. But not the need to fuck. Yes the need to be fucked under certain circumstances- but this is just a means to be validated etc. to get a connection and that's what this is about for Vivian, not an end in itself. It's so tiresome these constant identifications of male and female behaviors. Also there is no post nut clarity for women, it's the opposite.
I'm not speaking here of having fun etc. , but of this urgent, commanding need for sex which is prepared to forget everything else and to actively take great risks just in order to fuck this or that person right now in that moment.
 
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it doesn't matter what i like... i like well-written story and ....

I was replay to the fact that you wrote the following statement

I do not agree with this statement of yours
... bc real life of any sexual active couple is pornographic exactly like this story that looks also at when they close their bedroom door...

The problem is that the pornographic term is wrong in the case of this great fiction for adult

I know that in part of your post you agreed with me but then you got lost in talking about the logic of porn and pornography...I remind you that we are in a forum where you download games for 18+ and that talking about pornography as if it were a new thing is hypocritical.
In real life we all have sex with our wives, girlfriends or sex toys... I fuck with my wife at least 3 times in a week and it is a real porno action between us :cool:
the difference between a drama broadcast during the day and one broadcast at night after 11 pm that contains explicit sex is as follows.

In the daytime broadcast fictions it is normal that there are a lot of wives cheating on their husbands because the adult relationship stories include sex and jealousy.
ARE THEY NTR???
yes they are all NTR including romantic movies.. because NTR is JEALOUSY for the LI ... NTR is made for causing jealousy also in the readers or in the audience

In the daytime fictions when the couple enters a hotel room and closes the door the scene stops at the first passionate kiss and then jumps directly to the next morning when the couple is having breakfast or the girl says:
“sorry dear it was nice, but I'm late and I have to go because my husband's flight is about to land at the airport and I promised him I would pick him up with the kids.” ..to then we see the scene at the airport and the meeting with the husband and we can also understand and we can tell from their looks and dialogue whether the husband suspects something or not

such a broadcast in a nighttime fiction would instead show what happens after they close the door to the room by explicitly framing the fact that the two lovers are passionately fucking with lots of sexual details...and then in the morning the wife tells the lover:
"I have to go pick up my husband from the airport and I have to go there with my children so you can't come"...to then you see the scene at the airport and the meeting with the husband and we can also understand and we can tell from their looks and dialogue whether the husband suspects something or not

This is just an example of a fiction with explicit 18+ content... but it is not PORNOGRAPHY!

the PORNO SCENE INSTEAD IS AS FOLLOW:

porn movies on the other hand start directly in the room where the actors fuck there are close-ups of the sexual organs dripping of arousal and it ends when the woman squirts and the male or multiple males cum inside the wife's pussy, ass or on her face and the scene is over... Over!!!... black screen without a story!!!

But in any case the scene is for real.. they fuck eachother for REAL!!! PORNO IS FOR REAL TOO :cool:

I don't know about you but for me this is the first time I've seen such well done code work...
and as for NTR
GUYS. THE TERM NTR IS ALWAYS PRESENT IN ALL ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS and in all the daytime fiction they broadcast on TV

try to grow up because many of you look like kindergartners who never had a female schoolmate.

This is fiction for adults with explicit content and it is not pornography!
this is ART!
Dude, if you live in a porn movie and in pornographic fantasies, that's not my problem, or anyone else's, and it's not a parameter for the lives of the entire world population hahaha. I'm taking my leave here, this topic is full of crazy people.
 
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Completely wrong analogy. there is no woman thinking with her vagina like a man thinking with his dick, it's just nonsense. There are women being completely lost in their emotions and their need for a man, his presence, his approval, his commitment etc. But not the need to fuck. Yes the need to be fucked - but this means to be validated and that's what this is about for Vivian. It's so tiresome these constant identifications of male and female behaviors. Also there is no post nut clarity for women, it's the opposite.
That's interesting. A while back somebody said that men and women are much alike in sexual needs, but women are more discreet. I kind of agreed with that.

But I guess what I am thinking is that for every male fault there is a corresponding female fault.
Where men are tough, women are cruel.

And where men think with their dicks, women think like this:

My suspicion is that wife is falling for the ancient fantasy that for her, the monster will reform and become a nice guy and bring with him his incredible dick.
This fantasy has endless permutations
for me the bank robber will go straight and get a job
for me the drunk will get sober
for me the philanderer will be faithful

No, they won't; there is no magic between your legs that can cause any such transformation.

And l really don't think the game leaves us any doubt that Wife is nuts for the rowdy, rough, delightful sex she gets from Boss. Whether any rl woman would behave like that or not. My suspicion is that some might. But I have not sampled all women to be able to have an opinion in the matter.
 

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There is more to Vivian's obsession with Christian than just her thinking with her vagina. Christian has dug his hooks into her on an emotional and psychological level. The progression of this was greatly accelerated in this story. Vivian likes the way that Christian fucks her, but his hooks are much deeper in her than that. That, and his manipulating her guilt when all of this started, is why he is able to humiliate and degrade her. In your response, you refer to people in there teens and twenties. Vivian is 45 and knows better.
On the other hand, it seems there are people who never grow up. At 45 is better than never. I give Wife credit for being smarter and tougher than you suggest. She is now attempting to let Boss know how he isn't satifying her emotiional needs. That is the first step towards making things better, which probably means eventually getting Boss out of her life because he will not get the message.
 
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