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My point is I disagree with that premise. How I fill in the missing content leading to the backyard is Christian and Vivian had a conversation about Hutch and his job, at some point he guides her outside they continue to talk, Vivian doesn't like the way the conversation is playing out, and she could've said something like "okay I know what you really want". She lifts her dress up without Christian asking, lowers her panties put her hands on the table, and says you have ten minutes. She probably thought she could get Christian off (which is why she makes note later that she knows how to get him off now) before Hutch would finish writing on his notepad. However once she let him enter her she was overwhelmed by the feeling, and how much she was enjoying it, which led to where we are now and why I'm now leaning towards Vivian being the one who initiated sex the first time. I can see it the other way to, but given the current story, I find it harder to believe he forced her to bend over, and took her by force.

Also my thoughts on this story has no bearing on what I think about real life relationships (outside of even if I chose not to divorce her for financial reasons, no way would we still live together, and if we saw each other in public I'd have no interaction with her), or felonious assaulters so please stop bringing up real life, because I consume this as a fictional story not a window into real life relationships, or violence against women.
This gets ridiculous. You are reading things I never wrote. How often should I repeat that I don't see physical force involved? Don't you get that or is this an obsession of yours?? And where did I bring up real life. So let's stop here.
 

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Hutch wasn't there. You're suggesting that in the couple of minutes between Vivian failing to get into Christian's house and going round the back to find him there, Hutch arrives, gets into the house, immediately goes to the back into the kitchen, not to where he knows the bedroom is, etc. Meanwhile, Vivian and Christian go inside to continue having sex and Hutch is suddenly nowhere to be seen?

Vivian looks at the window, which is empty, she imagines Hutch there, but he is not there, and she screws her eyes shut to banish the image, these four images come up in sequence:
As with the scene in the driveway, Husband sees what is going on, she is giving him a blow job, but does not wait around to see how it goes. He has no sexual interest in such scenes.

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And then a screen or two later we see the other side of the window, again with no Hutch:

This could equally as well be showing what Husband is actually seeing through that window. I see no reason to not believe that Husband was actually there. If not, Wife would not have been bothered by the vision, as you see in her expression. She, at least, believes he is there. The jury is out for you and I.

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The shirt is similar, but Hutch wasn't wearing a jacket. The left image is Hutch at Christian's in Ch1, the right is Hutch during the evening of Ch2:
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Maybe Husband put on a jacket. The evening is cool. In any case, this is SC's decision, not Wife's imagination. She accepts what she sees.
 

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Vivian won't bang her and Hutchs way out of anything to success, Vivian's is going to fall deeper in Christian's siopathic paradigm of manipulation, control and sexual degeneracy. Vivian will become drunk with her delusions of power, through the use of her body, Christain will string her along. somewhere along the way, Vivian and Christian and their arrogance will get them caught up in some sort of business entanglement with this new powerful client and both will be taken out. Hutch will take over the business and get together with the secretary.
Interesting thoughts my brother :unsure: I don't hate them, I admit.

I just struggle to believe that the MC of a NTR game, is ever going to have any semblance of a happy ending. It's just not the way it ever goes in this genre, he exists solely to suffer. We can still hope though for sure, that my boi Hutchy is gonna be the exception and not the standard, and go on to get himself that baddie Addison with his own happy ending!

#IBelieveInYouHutchy:cry:
 
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In the Vivian-Christian relationship, there is certainly a form of Vivian's fascination with Christian, and Christian's strong manipulation of Vivian in which he imposes his vision of Vivian on her, and she accepts this as her own thoughts. (A form of gaslighting, or rather cognitive manipulation (from Socrates))
Very good.

this is the clue of the Vi-Chris relationship
The question is whether she is able to wake up from this dream.
And the Boss finds the possibility of dream for Wife to be discouraging. He wants her to wake up and admit how she feels about him.

Of course for that to happen, Boss must cut it out with the manipulation and allow her heart and mind to really speak to him. No fair asking important relationship questions immediately before her climax. You are really must cut that shit out Boss. Also don't kick her out of the car in the middle of sex and demand that she tell you that she likes it.

Those questions require deep introspection, which you are not allowing her to access. You are looking a little like a coward, Boss. Most couples know this and allow it before deciding on where next, maybe after trying out a the sex first. Then take a break for a week or so, meet at a restaurant and talk about it. What do you need that I am not doing? How do you feel right now that we are together again? Go ahead and finish your broccoli while you think about it. Then if things are ok, try the sex again and give each other another week to see how you feel. Something like that, ymmv.

This could be as appropriate for a cheating relationship as any other. lf we are going to take the risk of cheating, let's make sure it is worthwhile for both of us.
 
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Interesting thoughts my brother :unsure: I don't hate them, I admit.

I just struggle to believe that the MC of a NTR game, is ever going to have any semblance of a happy ending. It's just not the way it ever goes in this genre, he exists solely to suffer. We can still hope though for sure, that my boi Hutchy is gonna be the exception and not the standard, and go on to get himself that baddie Addison with his own happy ending!

#IBelieveInYouHutchy:cry:
I can accept this as the voice of experience. SC has made it clear to us that he will not give us a mediocre ending. I continue to hope for that in spite of everything.
 
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At some point in the story Christians manipulations are going to have to separate Vivian and Hutch. How do you think Hutch is going to respond? Also considering Hutch is currently celibate do you think he'll seek female companionship with random prostitutes, Addison, his own version of Sunshine, slowly start liking watching Vivian, or will his stress induced erectile dysfunction cause him to not even try?
 
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Hutch is not there ...she is reflecting to when he saw them in the first night. That is why she ask Christian to take her to the BR. Do you think if hucth was there she would not have gone ballistic.and chased after him !
 

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I can accept this as the voice of experience. SC has made it clear to us that he will not give us a mediocre ending. I continue to hope for that in spite of everything.
True that... He said half of us may like it when the other half may not... Does that mean a happy ending for someone... Maybe.. he doesn't say... whatever it is I am sure we will not see it coming.
 

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Hutch is not there ...she is reflecting to when he saw them in the first night. That is why she ask Christian to take her to the BR. Do you think if hucth was there she would not have gone ballistic.and chased after him !
You are right.

We can see that the image of Hutch behind the window doesn't have the same colorimetry as the rest of the scene. More grayish to represent the thought
 
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Hutch is not there ...she is reflecting to when he saw them in the first night. That is why she ask Christian to take her to the BR. Do you think if hucth was there she would not have gone ballistic.and chased after him !
Why do that now? She never has before. She is currently aroused by Boss. No she will not be leaving that behind. She will return to Husband at the end of the day, however, as we see a little later.

As I said a while ago, the scene that I am looking for is where Husband and Wife rage at each other, acknowledge their love and try to hang on to each other. After that Wife immediately runs off and has sex again with Boss. That would be a truer reflection of their feelings right now. Chaos.
 

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You are right.

We can see that the image of Hutch behind the window doesn't have the same colorimetry as the rest of the scene. More grayish to represent the thought
Let's think about it. How many times do we see Husband actually watching? There is the time in the driveway where he does not continue to watch and she is either bent over Boss's dick or facing away from the house. The time in the Boss's back yard. Others?

Do we ever actually see that she knows he is watching? In the bathroom, she sees shoes that might be his, but accepts that it might not be, expecailly when Husband acts like he has no idea what happened.

As far as Wife knows she has not yet been discovered. Even though she takes Husband's suggestion that she continue working for Boss as permission to continue fucking. She is not clear in her own mind. But i don't see where that image in the window came from if she imagines it.
 
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I agree with that sentence of course. But the agenda wasn't "to get the boss" but to rescue her own financial ass. Otherwise you would contradict your own depiction of her as a hoe, would you not?
it is true she wanted to kiss boss after a few minutes of knowing him? yes.. is it true boss played a game to see who wore the pants in the family? yes. is it true that hutch's paycheck pays the bills.. yes.. is it true after an hours she went outside with boss an had sex? yes.. the way i see it she killed 2 birds with one stone.. she was bored and she saved that paycheck .. all night long with hutch right there .. come on people who the fuck goes in there bosses bedroom all night in front of there husband an leave him to a couch.. that is flat out unheard of .. unless hutch is a cuck an she gets of on it .. everyone in this forum can twist this shit however they want but those are all facts.. it happened . and she was in control of all of it . fuck!
 

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it is true she wanted to kiss boss after a few minutes of knowing him? yes.. is it true boss played a game to see who wore the pants in the family? yes. is it true that hutch's paycheck pays the bills.. yes.. is it true after an hours she went outside with boss an had sex? yes.. the way i see it she killed 2 birds with one stone.. she was bored and she saved that paycheck .. all night long with hutch right there .. come on people who the fuck goes in there bosses bedroom all night in front of there husband an leave him to a couch.. that is flat out unheard of .. unless hutch is a cuck an she gets of on it .. everyone in this forum can twist this shit however they want but those are all facts.. it happened . and she was in control of all of it . fuck!
No disagreement. No woman would go into that bedroom in the presence of her husband and start fucking. Not in a billion years. This is one of the unrealities I see. There are others.

I take this as evidence of Boss manipulating Wife's mind. To have real satisfaction in the relationship, he will need to release her from that manipulation. Dare he? If he does, what happens?
 
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and she was in control of all of it
As ch 2 clearly shows, this woman is in control of nothing, not even herself. I quote freely a known authority in this thread, called TheDuke: a hoe does what she has to do - that describes her behaviour the best. Instrumental relation to sex, nothing else needed.
 
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No disagreement. No woman would go into that bedroom in the presence of her husband and start fucking. Not in a billion years. This is one of the unrealities I see. There are others.

I take this as evidence of Boss manipulating Wife's mind. To have real satisfaction in the relationship, he is will need to release her from that manipulation. Dare he? If he does, what happens?
for once i agree . there are certain things people just dont do.. that is definetly one of them lol
 

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As ch 2 clearly shows, this woman is in control of nothing, not even herself. I quote freely a known authority in this thread, called TheDuke: a hoe does what she has to do - that describes her behaviour the best. Instrumental relation to sex, nothing else needed.
Howver, it does not explain the interplay of emotions we see.
 

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Do we ever actually see that she knows he is watching? In the bathroom, she sees shoes that might be his, but accepts that it might not be, expecailly when Husband acts like he has no idea what happened.
after all, she checks whose shoes they are and sees that Hutch is coming out of the loo. She knows he saw her with Chris. There is no room for conjecture here. He doesn't know that she knows that he knows :)
 

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As ch 2 clearly shows, this woman is in control of nothing, not even herself. I quote freely a known authority in this thread, called TheDuke: a hoe does what she has to do - that describes her behaviour the best. Instrumental relation to sex, nothing else needed.
if this was her pattern throughout marriage i would agree. but so far she was a model housewife an mother.. her actions show she is finally doing what she wanted to do all along but her life would not allow it.. as i always say actions define a person . she is defining who she is and wants to be finally now without hutch's consent or approval
 

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if this was her pattern throughout marriage i would agree. but so far she was a model housewife an mother.. her actions show she is finally doing what she wanted to do all along but her life would not allow it.. as i always say actions define a person . she is defining who she is and wants to be finally now without hutch's consent or approval
Honest question: did your view of Vivian change with ch 2?
 
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