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Does anyone else notice that this game doesn't have a romance tag? Pretty sure that means no mushy shit is coming from this story at all. That's one of the main reasons I don't think Addison and Hutch will have any sort of relationship. I think Hutch might be given a sex worker or something, but I don't think we'll be given anything with him and Vivian or Addison in the story.

I don't think Vivian is interested in romance anymore either, but doesn't realize it yet, or just won't admit it because she legitimately doesn't want to break Hutch's heart. She likes the idea of of a serious relationship, but 20+ years is enough time to determine if something is for you. I think Vivian will only want romance again from Hutch once she eventually does realize just how lonely sexual liberation can be once your home alone, in those quiet moments when there's nobody to comfort you when you suffer a loss, nobody there who genuinely wants time with you just because they can. This shit is tricky, volatile, and most dangerously for all parties unpredictable when one party snaps.

She might believe Hutch will always be there, but he's already gone, he's just in a state of shock, and his real reaction is what I think a lot of people are waiting for which might be what the creator ment when they said it's Hutch's chapter, and it will have what a lot of people are looking for. That question Christian asked Hutch in chapter 1 about would he really want to leave Vivian wasn't encouragement it was manipulation because Vivian would have had no more contact with him had Hutch been thinking clearly and left her.

Vivian has already escalated to blaming Hutch claiming he didn't fight for her, but he did multiple times before she told Hutch she was a big girl. Hutch really had no idea how to fight back or fight for Vivian in that moment but he even grabbed her arm trying to stop it. Chapter 3 will not be some Hutch turning into a fuck boy sex master, but it will be him finally giving us the reaction we should have gotten immediately in chapter 1. Vivian and Hutch are probably going to push each other away before one of them decides to leave, or kick the other out. If this is really Hutch's time to shine I think he'll be the one to finally admit what we can all see. If not Vivian will willingly leave Hutch before eventually returning to a different emotionally developed Hutch.

I don't think Hutch currently has a plan, but he will likely start working to sabotage Christian's company after some big ego bruising event in either chapter 3 or the start of 4. I do think he will miss Vivian, and she will miss Hutch's affection and they'll begrudgingly get back together neither able to forgive the other or move on, they'll realize they don't click with others the same way they used to click with each other.

Vivian will still have her fun and occasionally make money doing it, but Hutch will probably have advanced as a character at that point, he'll either be a cheater himself, or and I hope this isn't his fate become a guy obsessed with his wife with other men. I just don't see an ending where Hutch has a serious relationship with anyone by the end, but I could definitely see Vivian moving in with Christian and whoever he brings into their new dynamic while regretting she won't be in a loving relationship. The reason I thought Hutch would kill himself was because of how good the facial expressions are and the fact the story is supposed to be dark and unforgiving for Hutch.

I also suspect there might be a twist coming with the son, because Vivian saying "He'll turn My son against me" wasn't unintentional. If something wasn't being hinted at that line would have read "our son" unless the writer is fucking with us. It's just too obvious to overlook considering it's pretty much the only thing darker than Vivian stepping out on him.

I mean really ask yourself what can happen to Hutch at this point that's darker than what he's already witnessed/living through.
Yeah, as mentioned, the tags only reflect what is currently in the game - that's why you sometimes get "future tags" in the "genre" spoiler in the OP.

I'm not going to comment on all of it, because I honestly haven't seen enough to give me a good idea where Hutch is, he could go down a number of different paths from here - obviously Ch3 will be a massive telling factor there.

I will comment on two bits specifically though. First the "story is supposed to be dark and unforgiving for Hutch" bit is, I think, incorrect, or at least an extrapolation without full backing. Dev has call the story dark, and even "dark and depressing", but I don't think he has at any point specifically added "for Hutch" to the end of that. I'm sure he did say at one point that it will get darker, but I can't find that quote to report back exactly what it said. I don't think it said "for Hutch" though. There was a render by the dev that is not related to this game where a woman is raped in an alleyway and another guy is holding her partner in a headlock, forcing him to watch. The dev said it won't get that dark, but there's some subjectivity there, I guess!

The second bit is the "my son" versus "our son" bit, to which I say you're just reading too much into it. There are bundles of posts in this thread that analyse every line of dialogue and try to pull meaning from them all, but personally I think that's a waste of time and effort in terms of predicting the remaining plot (even if a lot of it is interesting and can lead to some neat discussion). On the whole, this is a simple story, and I just don't see these big convoluted theories playing out.
 

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So he'll use her as he sees fit. are we arguing just for the sake of it? :rolleyes:
I'm not sure. You say he is simply a bad guy taking advantage of a weak woman. I say he is more/worse than that.

I say she was not acting in any way weak until she met him. Husband was not stepping up and dealing with how he might need to find another job. Wife was full of ideas and suggestions and she takes it upon herself to go to Boss and talk to him directly. As you might expect any woman who can handle a room full of teenagers to behave.

Then strange things started happening, like she felt seduced 5 seocnds after meeting him. Like she went into a bedroom with Boss and fucked him all night long in the presence of her husband. As several have agreed here that would not be normal behavior of any woman in any circumstances. Sure a woman might want to do that, but she would find a better way.
 
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On the whole, this is a simple story, and I just don't see these big convoluted theories playing out.
At its core, this is a simple NTS game - I know the dev has said otherwise - but for purposes, that's where people need to start their foundations. A lot of theories hinge on things people have gotten from things that have not been shown to us or even told to us.

It is, as you say, a simple story: Man sees girl, man wants girl, man takes girl. All this hutch is going to do this, Vivian is going to do that, Christian will be this, while it's nice to speculate 9/10 in this situation, there's no need or even basis too. While I give him his dues, SC certainly is a good writer... sometimes the curtain is just red... because that's the writer's favourite colour, not because it represents a character's rage like your English teacher would have you believe
 

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So .. let us unpack: boss of porn studio abuses porn ”starlets” for years, irreverent of them being married, single, disabled or beautiful, to attract business partners and film their porn parties to sell as private smut (Diddy, Jamie, Epstein) - this is a day to day story and real life drama of being a ”porn actress” when your boss is acting the bull both behind and in front of the camera.
You can find countless studio outtakes or behind the scenes footage of this going on every day.
Jada smith told her husband not two feet away from her she fkked her son young friend straight outta the death bed where he was ilness ridden - so today standards of women eating men like it was the buffet or bull taking women like geese is a reality. Morality is dead and so is any meaningful ”make sense” plot in many new games coming out every day.
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At its core, this is a simple NTS game - I know the dev has said otherwise - but for purposes, that's where people need to start their foundations. A lot of theories hinge on things people have gotten from things that have not been shown to us or even told to us.

It is, as you say, a simple story: Man sees girl, man wants girl, man takes girl. All this hutch is going to do this, Vivian is going to do that, Christian will be this, while it's nice to speculate 9/10 in this situation, there's no need or even basis too. While I give him his dues, SC certainly is a good writer... sometimes the curtain is just red... because that's the writer's favourite colour, not because it represents a character's rage like your English teacher would have you believe
I think there are things about Wive's behavior that go beyound that simple interpretation. And I do not think SC wastes our time with important events that have no meaning. What you are really saying is that SC is a sloppy writer. I really do not agree.

What you are saying is that the scene at the end of cpt 2 is only there to give the horndogs another sex scene, as short and incomplete as it was. The the things that Wife and Boss said to each other at the end of that scene are simply filler of no consequnce whatever. I'm not sure why SC would feel the need to add filler, but there it is.
 
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So .. let us unpack: boss of porn studio abuses porn ”starlets” for years, irreverent of them being married, single, disabled or beautiful, to attract business partners and film their porn parties to sell as private smut (Diddy, Jamie, Epstein) - this is a day to day story and real life drama of being a ”porn actress” when your boss is acting the bull both behind and in front of the camera.
You can find countless studio outtakes or behind the scenes footage of this going on every day.
Jada smith told her husband not two feet away from her she fkked her son young friend straight outta the death bed where he was ilness ridden - so today standards of women eating men like it was the buffet or bull taking women like geese is a reality. Morality is dead and so is any meaningful ”make sense” plot in many new games coming out every day.
I think a lot of this does not apply to the current situation, but I think overall, you are closer to describing what is really going on here than most players.
 

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The order is slightly wrong - he tells Vivian to send him a selfie and she hangs up, then he looks at the blonde.
Yes, exactly. Now I remember. That is, he wasn't sure if she was sending a selfie, but he at least wanted to make sure the person was asleep and didn't notice anything.
Vivian's work is definitely consultancy - and as you say, it's something that she says she can do at home on her laptop (even more reason not to have a space in the office). Which bit of the office work do you remember differently though?
For teaching, she is currently a substitute teacher, so presumably can get called on at any time to fill in for a teacher who is off sick, etc. She did say that she can switch to teaching full-time "next semester" now that Sawyer is at college (why she couldn't do that until he is at college, I have no idea), which would normally make me think that she is part-time at the moment. I think maybe that's just my regular understanding of part-time though, whereas her being a substitute teacher would also qualify as part-time work, even though it might not be regular/set hours. She does describe it as practically a full-time job though:
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Vivian: "I'm a teacher... substitute teacher... but that's almost full time in and of itself."
Okay. Unfortunately, I can't remember that. But if you say that this context wasn't addressed in any other dialogue, then I believe you. By part-time work, I understand that you only work until lunch and have the afternoon off.
 

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I think there are things about Wives behavior that go beyound that simple interpretation. And I do not think SC wastes our time with important events that have no meaning. What you are really saying is that SC is a sloppy writer. I really do not agree.
and with that quote, you just proved my point by taking the wrong meaning from what you read... well done.

Nowhere did I say SC is a sloppy writer; in fact, I actually said he was a good writer. What I said was that people are taking things from things that have not been shown to us or even told to us, and as I said to you yesterday, while things that SC has planted may come to fruition and you may well be proven right, for now, you are just wildly speculating. Not EVRYTHING has meaning. Sometimes it's just there simply because
 
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SC Stories outlined the story. there is no high mindfulness or revelation to be had here:
When a wife does the wrong thing for the right reasons. - INterpretation is: she is Jada Pinkett Smith—irreverent, unapologetic, sex whore. She thinks in her mind that fuelling the ego of somebody who is already threatening her livelyhood and her husband also would go anywhere, when giving into the abuser never ends well, or anywhere better for the girl in almost all meadiums of story telling.
SC Stories does not leave any loose ends here:
Can she dig herself out of the hole she created or just get buried deeper and deeper? Interpretation: The wife is to blame, squarely and absolutely cucking her husband and humiliating him while reveling in eating the boss up - she ate the gimp giving her husband a hard time.

I think a lot of this does not apply to the current situation,
I think there are things about Wives behavior that go beyound that simple interpretation.
I actually said he was a good writer. What I said was that people are taking things from things that have not been shown to us or even told to us,
SC Stories told us from day one: it is the whole point of the entire story, game, plot and reason for existing:
This is an NTR story ; It is also a KN so there are no multiple paths and nothing is 'avoidable;
a wife does the wrong thing ; can she dig herself out of the hole she created or just get buried deeper and deeper
 
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The second bit is the "my son" versus "our son" bit, to which I say you're just reading too much into it. There are bundles of posts in this thread that analyse every line of dialogue and try to pull meaning from them all, but personally I think that's a waste of time and effort in terms of predicting the remaining plot (even if a lot of it is interesting and can lead to some neat discussion). On the whole, this is a simple story, and I just don't see these big convoluted theories playing out.
So I understand where you're coming from with it being a waste of time, specifically for avn's. However about ten years ago my brother who was big into literature and story crafting told me something that causes me to think there's more to that line. He specifically told me that if you don't see a character die on screen he/she isn't dead. He said I should never ignore things that seem out of place in a story even the smallest bit of dialogue can have huge impact on what's to come in the future of a story, even if it initially seems like a throwaway line. I've applied his statements to a lot of media over the years, and for the most part(A writer who's aware of that concept can use it to fuck with eagle eyed viewers). My brother is the reason I have a hard time() enjoying stories or movies, because I can't help but picking up on things way before they take place. He's been right a lot about off screen deaths, and lines that seem like they don't mean anything end up leading to a storyline down the road.

One of the reasons I started reading this style of story was because they're much harder to predict since I had no experience with the genre before a year ago. A Happy Marriage(2021) and Babysitter(2021) opened me up to these style of stories, and while many of these stories seem boil down to "she's cheating on me, now I'm uncontrollably horny seeing this and I no longer understand the concept of self-respect"(I will delete the story immediately).

This story fascinates me since we don't know anything about the characters before hand. There's no background story, no extended family, no real reason to suspect anything would go wrong, until it's just thrown at you, and again the facial expressions stand out in this story. However the reason this one sticks out the most to me is because the husband isn't into this situation at all, and doesn't want any other relationship with anyone else at the moment. Overall I've said it before I think this might be the laziest genre to exploit for cash next to harem's,(nothing can be exploited like having your own harem) but I think the best stories are in the NTR genre when someone actually has a story they want to tell(and hopefully isn't dissuaded or burnt out), because the main characters can and will lose their relationships and loved ones I love suspense in general. The craziest part about this to me is the creator didn't even setup a way to pay him for his outstanding work, because story wise I don't think anything currently in development comes close to this as a story (except for maybe The Missing Part) of course I've not tried everything but what I have tried doesn't compete with chapter 1 and the first half of chapter 2 in this story.

I'm just throwing stuff out there today because this is one of the rare days that I don't have anything else to do, and nobody else will be home for a few more hours.
 

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In this thread, most people have always gravitated towards "someone being killed/committing suicide" or something along those lines because the dev has labelled it a "dark/darker" NTR game. Would the level of manipulation and verbal (plus a bit of physical) abuse from Christian; offering Vivian as a signing bonus, where she was then raped; and the potential for more with stuff like the "He can fuck you... spit on you... beat you with a belt... anything he wants, because you are mine, and I gave him my permission to use you as he wished!" comment not make it dark already?
And as far as happy endings go, unless the husband is a "happy cuck", NTR games that make it to the end will always have at least one person who doesn't get a happy ending, even if they are not in the slightest bit dark!
Do you know of any VNs where someone is killed or commits suicide? I've only seen that once before. I can't remember exactly which VN it was, but in any case, the mother killed her son with a kitchen knife.
She doesn't say anything much about it at all in that scene:
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Stylist: “I like the one on your neck, it's cute. What's the story behind it?"
Vivian: “Nothing. Just a young philosophy major who made a mistake."
Stylist: “No... not a mistake. It's nice. 'Dream within a dream'"
Stylist: “Makes people stop and ponder a moment. That's good."
Vivian: “Well, it does seem fitting for me as of late."
Stylist: “Is that your only tattoo?"
Vivian: “~ Sigh ~ No, I have one other on my back... lower..."
Stylist: “A tramp stamp?"
Vivian: “Ugh... I hate that word."
Vivian: “My best days are when I forget it's there."
Stylist: “~ Light chuckle ~ Hehe... it's nothing to be ashamed of. Hard to find a girl without one these days."
Stylist: “Here... look!"
Stylist: “So, if the philosophy major got the neck tattoo, who got the lower back one?"
Vivian: “Someone who's no longer here."
How did you interpret the statement made by the young philosophy student? Was she talking about herself? Or about someone she was with at the time? I understood that she was talking about someone else. I think there is room for interpretation here, but perhaps not.
Showing just how much this game hits people in different ways, I think the Sunshine and Rain event was the strongest part of the update. Obviously we don't know how it will impact things, and it already seems to have taken Vivian one way, and then she's swiftly turned back, but there hasn't been a lot of time to get into it yet - and she's seen Hutch for literally just two car journeys of unknown duration since, the second of which I'm guessing there was no conversation had at all!
I think the whole event (referring to the six actual scenes as one event) was really powerful in the context of Vivian's experience, knowledge, and mindset. It just now remains to be seen whether that will actually be the case, or if the rest of what she discussed that night/morning will just be written off...
The implementation, conversation was incredibly well written and exciting. The tension was so intense that even the table started to shake.:D SCS has a feeling for small certain scenes, moments.
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One more thing in this section. The choice of nicknames/codenames. These also fit the story and the characters: Sunshine (positive, happiness, warmth, optimism), Rain (cleansing, renewal, growth, fertility), Orchid (love, beauty, grace). The choice can't be a coincidence. SCS has elements of a philosopher.
 
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and with that quote, you just proved my point by taking the wrong meaning from what you read... well done.
Nowhere did I say SC is a sloppy writer; in fact, I actually said he was a good writer.
Of course. I merely said that what you say about the game does not measure up to what say you think of SC's writing.

What I said was that people are taking things from things that have not been shown to us or even told to us, and as I said to you yesterday, while things that SC has planted may come to fruition and you may well be proven right, for now, you are just wildly speculating. Not EVRYTHING has meaning. Sometimes it's just there simply because
And I am saying that many things that have actually been shown to us are discarded. Not eveything is important. Sure. But I say that discussion between Boss and Wife at the end of part 2 has significance. But players refuse to see it. They must think that SC was simply providing filler, although they certainly don't say that. Not everything that people is not there.
 

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SC Stories outlined the story. there is no high mindfulness or revelation to be had here:
When a wife does the wrong thing for the right reasons. - INterpretation is: she is Jada Pinkett Smith—irreverent, unapologetic, sex whore. She thinks in her mind that fuelling the ego of somebody who is already threatening her livelyhood and her husband also would go anywhere, when giving into the abuser never ends well, or anywhere better for the girl in almost all meadiums of story telling.
SC Stories does not leave any loose ends here:
Can she dig herself out of the hole she created or just get buried deeper and deeper? Interpretation: The wife is to blame, squarely and absolutely cucking her husband and humiliating him while reveling in eating the boss up - she ate the gimp giving her husband a hard time.
SC Stories told us from day one: it is the whole point of the entire story, game, plot and reason for existing:
This is an NTR story ; It is also a KN so there are no multiple paths and nothing is 'avoidable;
a wife does the wrong thing ; can she dig herself out of the hole she created or just get buried deeper and deeper
I am sure he said what you say. Wife did the wrong thing for the right reasons. Does she dig her self out of the whole?

I think your interpretation of those statement is yours alone and not SC's.

So Wife finds herself in a hole. It us up to her to dig herself out. Do you think the conversation of Wife and Boss at the end of chapter 2 shows that she is beginning to do that? Not that she is anywhere near done, but the light is dawning. I say the competent and determined woman she has shown herself to be at the beginning of the story means that yes, it is certainly possible for her to do that. A weak woman would not have a chance in this situation.

In the case of a weak woman, I would say it would not be to her shame if she could not. SC does not say that Boss has no part in the homewrecking he has been up to.
 
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The implementation, conversation was incredibly well written and exciting. The tension was so intense that even the table started to shake.:D SCS has a feeling for small certain scenes, moments.

Showing just how much this game hits people in different ways, I think the Sunshine and Rain event was the strongest part of the update. Obviously we don't know how it will impact things, and it already seems to have taken Vivian one way, and then she's swiftly turned back, but there hasn't been a lot of time to get into it yet - and she's seen Hutch for literally just two car journeys of unknown duration since, the second of which I'm guessing there was no conversation had at all!
I think the whole event (referring to the six actual scenes as one event) was really powerful in the context of Vivian's experience, knowledge, and mindset. It just now remains to be seen whether that will actually be the case, or if the rest of what she discussed that night/morning will just be written off...
Oh, god yes, somebody is showing some insight. It makes me tremble with excitement.
 

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Oh, god yes, somebody is showing some insight. It makes me tremble with excitement.

Wife is putting limits on what she will accept from Boss in the final scene of part 2. She has never done that before.
Don't be mean to Husband
Don't even mention the escort event again
She must go home to Husband
Let Wife deal with Husband
But remember...

What happens if he insists she spend the night with him and he sends her to be raped again. I'd say, wife can wake up.
She can *attempt* break with boss and make amends with Husband. It looks to me like Husband will accept that. Not because he is a wuss.

Do you think Boss will accept this in his homewrecking adventures? I'd say this is where the darkness descends. This game will no longer be a jolly romp in the pornland park.

Wife has fallen under the spell of a deliberate serial homewrecker. SC is right, breaking with him will be tough. It would be nearly impossible for many women. SC has asked the question. Let's let him answer it.
 
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So I understand where you're coming from with it being a waste of time, specifically for avn's. However about ten years ago my brother who was big into literature and story crafting told me something that causes me to think there's more to that line. He specifically told me that if you don't see a character die on screen he/she isn't dead. He said I should never ignore things that seem out of place in a story even the smallest bit of dialogue can have huge impact on what's to come in the future of a story, even if it initially seems like a throwaway line. I've applied his statements to a lot of media over the years, and for the most part(A writer who's aware of that concept can use it to fuck with eagle eyed viewers). My brother is the reason I have a hard time() enjoying stories or movies, because I can't help but picking up on things way before they take place. He's been right a lot about off screen deaths, and lines that seem like they don't mean anything end up leading to a storyline down the road.

One of the reasons I started reading this style of story was because they're much harder to predict since I had no experience with the genre before a year ago. A Happy Marriage(2021) and Babysitter(2021) opened me up to these style of stories, and while many of these stories seem boil down to "she's cheating on me, now I'm uncontrollably horny seeing this and I no longer understand the concept of self-respect"(I will delete the story immediately).

This story fascinates me since we don't know anything about the characters before hand. There's no background story, no extended family, no real reason to suspect anything would go wrong, until it's just thrown at you, and again the facial expressions stand out in this story. However the reason this one sticks out the most to me is because the husband isn't into this situation at all, and doesn't want any other relationship with anyone else at the moment. Overall I've said it before I think this might be the laziest genre to exploit for cash next to harem's,(nothing can be exploited like having your own harem) but I think the best stories are in the NTR genre when someone actually has a story they want to tell(and hopefully isn't dissuaded or burnt out), because the main characters can and will lose their relationships and loved ones I love suspense in general. The craziest part about this to me is the creator didn't even setup a way to pay him for his outstanding work, because story wise I don't think anything currently in development comes close to this as a story (except for maybe The Missing Part) of course I've not tried everything but what I have tried doesn't compete with chapter 1 and the first half of chapter 2 in this story.

I'm just throwing stuff out there today because this is one of the rare days that I don't have anything else to do, and nobody else will be home for a few more hours.
The deaths thing is like a form of Chekhov's gun, but I think it gets taken to extremes. Yes, you (and your brother) are correct in the principle of it, but it won't always be the case. Here, I think Lagunavii said it well:
sometimes the curtain is just red... because that's the writer's favourite colour, not because it represents a character's rage like your English teacher would have you believe
For the sake of comparison, I'll keep the idea of the gun: If you see a gun on the wall in the first chapter, the principle of Checkhov's gun tells us that it will be fired at some point. However, sometimes a gun on the wall is just decoration/a reminder of the past, and it will never be touched. Sometimes, an author might deliberately place a gun on the wall just to keep people thinking "when will it be used", even if s/he knows it never will be. In these games, maybe the gun is on the wall just because it's a Daz asset, etc., and the dev hasn't made any conscious choice to include it.

In terms of writing, it's the same thing. Sometimes these little nuances mean something, sometimes they don't. Maybe it's an error by the author, maybe it sounds right where the author lives but sounds wrong to others where they live. Ultimately, I think it's one of those things that we shouldn't read too much into, because we're here to enjoy the game, not to dissect it for an English Literature thesis. And no disrespect to this or any other dev, but we're not dealing with prize-winning authors here. Some devs can write a hell of a story (I do include SC Stories in this category), but I don't think we should expect them to be weaving complicated tales that would make Agatha Christie jealous!

Do you know of any VNs where someone is killed or commits suicide? I've only seen that once before. I can't remember exactly which VN it was, but in any case, the mother killed her son with a kitchen knife.

How did you interpret the statement made by the young philosophy student? Was she talking about herself? Or about someone she was with at the time? I understood that she was talking about someone else. I think there is room for interpretation here, but perhaps not.

The implementation, conversation was incredibly well written and exciting. The tension was so intense that even the table started to shake.:D SCS has a feeling for small certain scenes, moments.
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One more thing in this section. The choice of nicknames/codenames. These also fit the story and the characters: Sunshine (positive, happiness, warmth, optimism), Rain (cleansing, renewal, growth, fertility), Orchid (love, beauty, grace). The choice can't be a coincidence. SCS has elements of a philosopher.
I've played a couple of games where someone is killed, but I can't recall one with suicide (only attempted suicide).

The philosophy major is something I read exactly as is. Vivian was the philosophy major (this goes back to an earlier question on what she studied, where I forgot that this line gives us the answer!) and getting the tattoo is the mistake. She said that she regrets her "tramp stamp" tattoo, but saying the person who got the neck tattoo was a "young philosophy major who made a mistake" suggests she regrets the Poe quote tattoo as well.

Do you mean Sunshine using a strap-on? I get that some people see it differently if it's with another woman, but ultimately, it's still cheating. I do wonder if the nicknames used were specifically chosen to give us Sunshine's final pick-up line in the bar...
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 Rain: “You named her Orchid?"
 Sunshine: “Yes... it fits her. And I am Sunshine."
 Rain: “Haha... okay... then who am I?"
 Sunshine: “Tonight... you are... Rain."
 Rain: “Rain, huh? Why Rain?"
 Sunshine: “Because Sunshine alone is not enough to make an Orchid open its petals."
 Vivian: “Are you still trying to pick me up?"
 Sunshine: “Yes, I am..."
One thing about the Sunshine and Rain episode that hasn't really been mentioned, is that it does open up a potential new path for Vivian - having some more lesbian experiences. Personally, I can't see this being a path that we'll see much, if any, action on, but she did seem to like her time with Sunshine, in particular the kisses. Maybe that does open up the possibility of the (presumably) Addison kiss being a render from the game though...
 
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