Gave it a go and couldn't get to the end. It should be called Gaslighting & Jealousy I never completely understood what gaslighting was until this day, so at least I understand a real world concept better now. Interesting premise though if not a bit extreme. I can see similarities with that M.C and Hutch though, not in terms of personality, but situationally neither are getting the woman they thought they were getting when they first married. I can't believe I'm going to say this but in this moment I think I'd rather be in Hutch's unfortunate situation, than the absolutely sorry position the M.C from L&J is in, his situation is every man's fear.
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the brutality of the cheating scene was fantastic. it filled my Chaos quote. L&J for me is the only AVN that beat MHB in shocking cheat scene. Just so brutal
That was the point I gave up . I've seen some shit in these stories, but I don't think I've seen anything that brutal, well there was that one with the drugged sister girlfriend giving birth to the m.c kid while he's locked up in a dungeon by the NTR Antagonist, but in terms of the m.c having to watching the sex play out along with those phone chats with his"friend" leading up to that scene, again i'd rather be in Hutch's shoe's.the brutality of the cheating scene was fantastic. it filled my Chaos quote. L&J for me is the only AVN that beat MHB in shocking cheat scene. Just so brutal
I'm happy I missed that one then! Maybe if I get really depressed in my life sometime, I will try that one to cheer me up, to say that my life isn't so bad! HAHA
You never know you might like it, but I didn't mean to go off topic.
Agreed. The important thing is that some things will be insignificant and others not. What you decide to ignore says more about you than the story in this case. This is not a murder mystery where the important clue can be whether a dog barked or not. SC has no reason to bombard us with unimportant things to obscure what matters. My hunch is that he really does want us to notice the important things. Although he might throw in the Marcel incident simply for fun. We should be smart enough to tell the difference he thinks. Maybe.
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So what would it take to dig herself out of the hole? We can only conjecture. This seems likely to me:
At the end of chapter 2 we see her trying to save her marriage and have Boss at the same time. It is hard to imagine that Husband will be able to accept that long term. But who knows, a promise is a promise. Boss has made no promises.
Wife needs to realize that the only way to really save her marriage is to do whatever it takes to make certain that she is never in Boss's presence again, alone or otherwise. Because, if she is, she will be fucking him again in 5 minutes. Not because she loves him, or because she is a whore. Something else is going on. I have my conjectures about that which have not been well received here. Ok, fair enough. So failing that, she continues to fuck boss every chance she gets and in time, he forces Wife (by strength of the fact that she has such a hard time saying no to him) to stay the night with him and soon she is doing that nearly every night. It won't be to very far beyond that to the point where he sends her to be raped again. Why raped?, because he will tell her he is doing no such thing. In time, that will also become normal. Somewhere along in that time since the end of Chapter 2 and the point were she is allowing herself to be an escort, Husband divorces her.
So how does she feel about herself at this point? If she hates herself at the end of chapter 2, but thinks she has a chance to make the situation work with both Husband and Boss, she will loath herself now. In the end there are only two escapes for her. Either she realizes she must not ever be in Boss's presence again or suicide. The realization could strike at the moment she starts to apply the razor to her wrists or earlier. Wouldn't that be marvelous? But I am guessing, at the wrist point, it is going to be too late for her.
You can say that the path to that point might be nothing like I describe and you might be right. But if she cannot resolve this situation so she can live with it and herself, I'd say suicide for Wife is where the story must lead. Damned dark.
A not very intelligent woman with few resources can decide to be an escort or even a whore and live with that, maybe. Those will not be choices that an intelligent educated woman can accept. Those of you with the background to discuss Chekhov and his gun must surely have met women like that at one time or another.
Who knows, those of you who simply want to see a woman degraded, any woman at all, might be happy with that ending. Not me. Although SC might be a good enough writer to make me stick around to view it.
At the end of chapter 2 we see her trying to save her marriage and have Boss at the same time. It is hard to imagine that Husband will be able to accept that long term. But who knows, a promise is a promise. Boss has made no promises.
Wife needs to realize that the only way to really save her marriage is to do whatever it takes to make certain that she is never in Boss's presence again, alone or otherwise. Because, if she is, she will be fucking him again in 5 minutes. Not because she loves him, or because she is a whore. Something else is going on. I have my conjectures about that which have not been well received here. Ok, fair enough. So failing that, she continues to fuck boss every chance she gets and in time, he forces Wife (by strength of the fact that she has such a hard time saying no to him) to stay the night with him and soon she is doing that nearly every night. It won't be to very far beyond that to the point where he sends her to be raped again. Why raped?, because he will tell her he is doing no such thing. In time, that will also become normal. Somewhere along in that time since the end of Chapter 2 and the point were she is allowing herself to be an escort, Husband divorces her.
So how does she feel about herself at this point? If she hates herself at the end of chapter 2, but thinks she has a chance to make the situation work with both Husband and Boss, she will loath herself now. In the end there are only two escapes for her. Either she realizes she must not ever be in Boss's presence again or suicide. The realization could strike at the moment she starts to apply the razor to her wrists or earlier. Wouldn't that be marvelous? But I am guessing, at the wrist point, it is going to be too late for her.
You can say that the path to that point might be nothing like I describe and you might be right. But if she cannot resolve this situation so she can live with it and herself, I'd say suicide for Wife is where the story must lead. Damned dark.
A not very intelligent woman with few resources can decide to be an escort or even a whore and live with that, maybe. Those will not be choices that an intelligent educated woman can accept. Those of you with the background to discuss Chekhov and his gun must surely have met women like that at one time or another.
Who knows, those of you who simply want to see a woman degraded, any woman at all, might be happy with that ending. Not me. Although SC might be a good enough writer to make me stick around to view it.
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What's the full name of L&J?the brutality of the cheating scene was fantastic. it filled my Chaos quote. L&J for me is the only AVN that beat MHB in shocking cheat scene. Just so brutal
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Sorry maybe I viewed it or read it wrong. At the end I didn't see a wife trying to save her marriage I saw a wife who let her desires completely take over and completely and willingly throw away her marriage. Don't get me wrong it just the way I perceived it.
Go back and play that scene again. Listen carefully to the demands she makes of Boss
Do no be mean to Husband
We shall never speak of the escort event again
I must go home. He says, Stay. She refuses even though that means turning down a night of glorious sex with him. There is no way she would do that if it were not for the promise she made to Husband to always come home. There is nothing she might need to say to him that can't wait until she gets another night of sex.
Let me deal with Husband. You should say nothing to him
But remember...
She is attempting to find a compromise that allows her to keep the Husband that owns her heart to the extent that she will turn down sex with Boss in order to keep her promise to Husband. A compromise that allows her to have that and continue fucking Boss like mad.
This is in no way throwing away her marriage in her mind. It is an attempt to save it. I understand that makes no sense irl. You are thinking in terms of the behavior of your own wife should you have one. But this is pornland and that is what the Wife is thinking. She thinks Boss will honor her demands. I do not think that.
Boss will be forcing her to abandon her promise to Husband, Boss will be sending her out again to be raped. When that happens can she wake up and know what she must do to save herself and her marriage? Doubtful, I think. But maybe. It is clear to me that being sent to be raped has changed how she deals with him. It should be starting to dawn on her what kind of person he is, and that she simply cannot trust him. But not yet for that totally. It is possible that the second brutal betrayal will finally wake her up. Maybe.
I do not surrender to the idea that Wife is a totally lost case, deservers nothing but degradation and corruption. SC says this game is about the possibility of Wife digging herself out of the hole she finds herself in. So let's let him tell us whether she manages to do that or not.
That is my conjecture and I'm sticking to it.
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I feel what you are saying, and I agree with some, but Vivian is an unreliable narrator. Everything she says you have to take with a grain of salt. She changes to every new experience. Hutch may have her heart but desire and new experiences has her love. The wife he thought he married and loved is gone she is something new. The way she spoke to him in the hotel and drive home showed it. Again just the way I perceive it I am not saying I'm right just thats way I saw it.
I glve Wife credit for being the intelligent, clear thinking, problem solver we saw at the start of the game. Something happened to change that. I have my theories. Regardless what has been done to her can be undone. I believe that much.
Has been unreliable I agree. What I see is a change in her since being sent to be raped. She is on her way to return from lala land. But not there yet. I agree that SC might be giving us false hope. If she does fail to dig herself out, he knows that full well right now. But, I say, ok show me.
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Just look at the previews and you know chances are minimal that is going to happen.
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Don't think Vivian will return on he own. She will try to return for one reason and one reason only. Addison. Each chapter she has had a fear or nightmare of Hutch being with a younger woman. chapter 2 the woman was given a face Addison. We already know she is insecure about her aging, bar proved that as well as each time people describe her (which is hilarious). She will see him with her and it will snap her out of her funk but it will be too late.
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Something is going to happen ! SC did not write a story where Vivian just goes out fucking an Hutch waits at home for Her an then goes to work . I think the next release is where we learn more about Hutch and ( I believe ) a plan to get back ! I also believe that Vivian will be part of that plan. Yes ... it probably will still involove her sleeping with people... ( it is a porn mystery after all ) !
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Yes, in this game the guy is to blame himself. Not only does he lack balls, but he also doesn't take proper care of his wife who looks like she's full of life and health. Of course, sooner or later her inner self should have awakened (especially since she partied hard when she was younger, as can be seen from the dialogues in Part 2).
Vivian’s narcissistic spiral and betrayal of Hutch point to a grim but plausible fate. Her pattern of cheating with Christian, chasing validation through risky sexual encounters, and playing victim while enabling her own sexual objectification and exploitation will likely culminate in a devastating betrayal. As she continues to prioritize Christian and his schemes—offering herself to clients like the predatory businessman, she’ll misjudge a deal, crossing someone even more ruthless than the client who abused her. This figure, sensing her instability, could expose her publicly, leaking evidence of her affairs and deal-sweetening to Hutch’s colleagues and social circle. Hutch, broken by her public humiliation and mockery, divorces her, leaving her without the stability of their marriage, a marriage that she used to hide her her sexual promiscuous nature. Christian, seeing her as a liability, a spent tool, cuts her off, discarding her as the “high-end escort” he always viewed her as. Vivian haunted by her ruined reputation and the realization that her dulsions of 3rd and 4th wave feminist “empowered” was a facade, it was a lie, she allowed herself to be led up the garden path by her knickers, her only company the fading echo of her own bad choices, Vivian will be broken shell of a woman who traded everything for nothing.
Women like Vivian—narcissistic, manipulative, and reckless in their pursuit of validation through betrayal and self-degradation—tend to face a brutal, self-inflicted reckoning in the real world. Her actions cheating on Hutch, exploiting her sexuality for power, and embracing exploitation while playing victim mirrors real-life patterns that lead to a predictable, grim fate. Here’s what ultimately happens to women like her, no sugarcoating:
They crash hard, alone, and broken. Vivian’s type burns every bridge—Hutch will ditch her when her public betrayals becomes undeniable, leaving her without the emotional or financial safety net of marriage. Her obsession with Christian, a user who sees her as a disposable tool, ends when he inevitably tosses her aside for a less volatile pawn. Her reputation tanks as her antics—public sex, client deals, and provocative displays leak out, alienating friends, family, and colleagues. In the real world, this looks like social ostracism, job loss, or legal fallout if her schemes cross lines (like extortion or fraud). Her refusal to own her actions, instead claiming "I saving you Hutch" and “empowerment” from degradation, traps her in a cycle of denial, spiraling into addiction, mental health crises, or dead-end relationships with equally toxic people. Picture a 40-something Vivian, holed up in a cheap apartment, scrolling through old photos of her “glory days,” bitter and alone, wondering why nobody stuck around. That’s the fate of women who live like her—self-destruction, dressed up as liberation, with nobody left to care.
Que the feminsit outrage, “Incel!”, “Misogynist, “Toxic masculinity", “You’re boring/obsessed", "You need to get laid"
Women like Vivian—narcissistic, manipulative, and reckless in their pursuit of validation through betrayal and self-degradation—tend to face a brutal, self-inflicted reckoning in the real world. Her actions cheating on Hutch, exploiting her sexuality for power, and embracing exploitation while playing victim mirrors real-life patterns that lead to a predictable, grim fate. Here’s what ultimately happens to women like her, no sugarcoating:
They crash hard, alone, and broken. Vivian’s type burns every bridge—Hutch will ditch her when her public betrayals becomes undeniable, leaving her without the emotional or financial safety net of marriage. Her obsession with Christian, a user who sees her as a disposable tool, ends when he inevitably tosses her aside for a less volatile pawn. Her reputation tanks as her antics—public sex, client deals, and provocative displays leak out, alienating friends, family, and colleagues. In the real world, this looks like social ostracism, job loss, or legal fallout if her schemes cross lines (like extortion or fraud). Her refusal to own her actions, instead claiming "I saving you Hutch" and “empowerment” from degradation, traps her in a cycle of denial, spiraling into addiction, mental health crises, or dead-end relationships with equally toxic people. Picture a 40-something Vivian, holed up in a cheap apartment, scrolling through old photos of her “glory days,” bitter and alone, wondering why nobody stuck around. That’s the fate of women who live like her—self-destruction, dressed up as liberation, with nobody left to care.
Que the feminsit outrage, “Incel!”, “Misogynist, “Toxic masculinity", “You’re boring/obsessed", "You need to get laid"
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That would be kinda sick if she does actually end up losing everything ngl, I'm so here for that. But I legit can't think of a single NTR game, where the MC has even a remotely happy ending...Let alone getting a new girlfriend and/or fucking off his cheating wife.
This game is getting a 8* review tho, if it gives me Vivian losing everything, and being left broken and alone. And then Hutch off somewhere with his new lovely lady, enjoying his life.
But I just don't see it happening realistically...