VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[TonyMurray]

Why is Exhibition Tag not added?? Viv clearly doesn't mind showing her Assets. And each dress by Boss is getting hotter.

Because no one has requested it be added. To be honest though, your reasoning there doesn't qualify the tag, but I guess the sex scene in front of her house would qualify. I feel like exhibitionism is more of a conscious thing though, rather than having sex and it just so happens that it's in a place where you can get caught - that wasn't the intention, the way I see it, and I suppose it ended up as a sort of involuntary exhibitionism if anything (which is a bit of an oxymoron in itself).

On double checking the descriptions in the "new tags discussion" post, it looks like the scene I suggest wouldn't qualify for the exhibitionism tag either, it would come under the "public sex" tag:

Nudity or daring stunts with a risk of getting caught by strangers or blatant exposure to strangers. For sex in this situation use public-sex

 

[Dealbreaker]

Christian is manipulating her. The idea that she felt powerful is ridiculous.

Very true. And this manipulation is effective because it capitalizes and plays on personality traits and weaknesses of Vivian. We have to connect her statements about feeling empowered in ch 2 to her statements about "being a big girl" in ch 1. There is a straight line between those two, the second is a direct progression from the first, it comes from the same personality dynamics (and here we can see a consistency of character-building by the dev). And both statemts happen in key moments of the story, in those very moments, where she is giving in to the boss. She wants to prove to herself and to the boss that whe is able to go through challenging and even degrading situations without quitting, she wants to prove toughness. And this is the psychological motivation which lures her in because thereby she does things she doesn't want to do, fulfills tasks she hasn't set herself, which damage herself. Being tough is more important to her than preserving her integrity of body and mind. She doesn't feel powerful (and safe) at all, but she urgently wants to. This is what the boss is using against her. It's her self-image and it's her ambition which is in question here for her, a mixture of ambition and a self-esteem in doubt. A midlife crisis of unfulfilled ambition and a selfimage in question. This is the psychological arena the game is happening in - not romance like a teenager and not a split personality. Men tend to see women as acting within the paradigm of romance and they tend to overlook their side as creatures of ambition - because men want to see the Other in them. Vivian probably sees the possible job loss of her husband as challenge to her own ego and self-esteem and positions herself as the one who is able to go against that.
The problem is only, that the sunshine episode has somewhat diluted the clear view of this personality by giving in to different images of the porn woman defined primarily by sexual desire and boredom. I wonder after the dev's last statement what he means exactly by gratuitious scenes he is going to cut - maybe there were such scenes he didn't cut in ch 2 and the sunshine episode is one of them, because it doesn't define the core of Vivian's personality but leads people away from it - whereas the dinner scene in ch 2 shows us again all of it.

 

[noahsombrero]

I saw the full evening, and you give no evidence to support your assertions.

My assertion is that being raped has changed her. My evidence is what she says and does after that, which you dismiss.

She has clearly been manipulated for both chapters one and two, you simply won't admit it because you don't want to believe it is true.

Granted she was manipulated. I say she is no longer being manipulated at the end of chpt 2.

That is why you continue to deny the evidence.

So why is it that you continue to deny the evidence I present?

You write about her demanding Christian never speak of the escorting again, but saying that is irrelevant because it is clear Vivian's demands mean nothing to Christian.

I say, you might be right. But that is not clear at this point. She believes he listened to her at the end of chapt 2 and is satisfied that he will accept her demands. Her satisfied facial expression says that. She might be wrong.

That is the difference between us. I am tentative. You demand that I accept what you say as final. I say it is in no way final. Neither of us know that at this point.

And then I say, even if Boss accepts her demands, he will have demands of his own which will be much more difficult for her to deal with than hers for him. Because his facial expression and what he says clearly show that he wants Husband out of her life.

He walks all over her any time he wants to, even though you deny it.

That has been true. It no longer is. My final evidence is that Wife says she must go home to Husband and he accepts that grumblingly. He does not walk all over her insistence. She goes.

Can you accept that evidence?

 

[noahsombrero]

Very true. And this manipulation is effective because it capitalizes and plays on personality traits and weaknesses of Vivian. We have to connect her statements about feeling empowered in ch 2 to her statements about "being a big girl" in ch 1. There is a straight line between those two, the second is a direct progression from the first, it comes from the same personality dynamics (and here we can see a consistency of character-building by the dev). And both statemts happen in key moments of the story, in those very moments, where she is giving in to the boss. She wants to prove to herself and to the boss that whe is able to go through challenging and even degrading situations without quitting, she wants to prove toughness. And this is the psychological motivation which lures her in because thereby she does things she doesn't want to do, fulfills tasks she hasn't set herself, which damage herself. Being tough is more important to her than preserving her integrity of body and mind.

That motivation would be credible in a man. Not in a woman.

The situation we now have is that Wife believes that Boss will accept her demands. The story turns on whether she is right about that or not. What we think about it is irrelevant. What matters is what SC makes of it, and then the implications that flow from that reality either way for the rest of the story. If she is in fact wrong, Wife has a very rough road ahead regardless. I do not wish that path for her. I hope for something better. Forlornly perhaps. Beyond that, I have no dog in this race. Do you?

It is also true that Wife has behaved as no rl woman would in this story. No woman would go into a bedroom with Boss and proceed to fuck him in the presence of her Husband. If nothing else, she would find a better way to have that. So I concede, SC's concept of what a woman might do is kinda unreal, but then, everything that happens in pornland is unreal. Including huge magic dicks, the possibility of women consenting to be part of a harem, the likelihood that a woman will like anal sex or threesomes or swing both ways. All of it is unreal at least as a likelihood. So maybe wife is motivated like a man in this case.

Sure, so let's all admit we don't know where this is going, shall we?

 

[Dealbreaker]

That motivation would be credible in a man. Not in a woman.

Tell this Vivian, not me, maybe she changes her behavior then in order to align with your romantic ideal of women.

 

[noahsombrero]

Tell this Vivian, not me, maybe she changes her behavior then in order to align with your romantic ideal of women.

It is interesting to me that you seem to not have noticed that I did grant that you might be right. But still, I think in terms of rl there is an opposing argument to be made.

From my experience as a guy who has managed to live longer than the law allows. Yes, I have had wives and girlfriends and other assorted, and so I know do know something of how women think, at least from my sample size which certainly does not include all women who have ever lived, but is not a romantic ideal either.

There are equivalencies though. Where men are tough, women are cruel. Which does not mean that all men are tough or all women are cruel. There is a way a woman would choose to express a similar impulse. This can be seen in how women tend to deal with each other, especially in a work situation (commonly called being catty) and how men deal with each other in such situations. Do you see the difference?

Historically, a woman's murder weapon of choice was poison. The availability of guns might have changed that some.

I am not saying that any of that necessarily applies to this game. I am pointing to rl patterns in how men and women often behave since you want to bring rl behaviors into understanding this game. I say rl behaviors do not apply, but I can argue at that level if you like.

 

[Dealbreaker]

There are equivalencies though. Where men are tough, women are cruel. Which does not mean that all men are tough or all women are cruel. There is a way a woman would choose to express a similar impulse.

Historically, a woman's murder weapon of choice was poison. The availability of guns might have changed that some.

The toughness I'm talking about has nothing to do with aggression. It's the felt urgency to do something which she sees necessary in order to secure safety and status (remember? this is how it all starts, she is urging the husband to do just that and is unsatisfied). Women have a very low tolerance if they feel unsafe, endangered, powerless, undersupplied and also unacknowledged (and Hutch obviously isn't able to manage that in a sufficient way when the story begins). They are very status and power-sensitive also, much more so, on the perceptive side, than men in general (keeping up with the joneses and all that). The more they think something they need or deserve here is lacking, the bigger a magnet somebody like the boss bedomes - and not because of his charm. But again, there were detailed discussions about that regarding ch 1 months ago. I just drew the line further until right now because the discussions here right now feel like being in a romance novel - and we are decidedly not.

 

[noahsombrero]

The toughness I'm talking about has nothing to do with aggression. It's the felt urgency to do something which she sees necessary in order to secure safety and status (remember? this is how it all starts, she is urging the husband to do just that and is unsatisfied). Women have a very low tolerance if they feel unsafe, endangered, powerless, undersupplied and also unacknowledged

I'd say that the tolerance for those feeling would be about the same. The difference would be in how they choose to deal with that. For instance, no such feelings would prompt a woman to go into Boss's bedroom and do as she did. But a woman feeling insufficiency in her man, might well be willing to risk that relationship in order to have a chance for a happier situation. Which is essentially what she did. She knew that Husband would not like it, but she took the risk anyway. A man in similar circumstances will typically not be willing to risk the relationship. Choosing to outright abandon the relationship in either would be a different kind of choice.

(and Hutch obviously isn't able to manage that in a sufficient way when the story begins).

with her demonstrating insight and ability to do what is necessary in the situation. None of that leads to the behavior she shows us next. Except in the mind of porn dogs maybe. To us, it can all make sense, but not to a woman.

They are very status and power-sensitive also, much more so, on the perceptive side, than men in general (keeping up with the joneses and all that).

This is true, as women relate to each other. That does not apply to Wife in this situation and what we see her doing. What she does is actually kind of strange irl. But in pornland, ok babe I want to see you do it.

But again, there were detailed discussions about that regarding ch 1 months ago. I just drew the line further until right now because the discussions here right now feel like being in a romance novel - and we are decidedly not.

True. This might actually be a very dark dark fantasy where we see Wife descend into corruption and degradation as some hope. I refuse to hope that. Only SC knows.

 

[sslovoe]

Project update

Not abandoned. Just needed a break.

Where have I been?
After pushing to release Chapter 2 and then having a lot of negative comments and review bombs I had to step away for a while. I knew people would leave the story over time, I just didn't think they'd make as much noise as they did when they left. However, based on the number of forum pages, I see there is still an active/loyal fan base and I appreciate you guys. But I can't bring myself to look at the reviews or go back and read all of the earlier posts for the sake of my own sanity. I still view this thread as belonging to you guys and I'm just a visitor but I'll participate a bit more and respond to questions and DM's when I can (No I won't tell you when the update is coming out. No I won't give away the plot.)

What have I been doing?
Mostly just working my house, lots of little projects I've neglected lately. I've also been do some writing on another story. It won't ever been rendered or made public but I like the creative process of building out the characters, plotting the story line and world building. I like taking some of those ideas and building test scenes in Daz to get a feel if my vision is possible. That's why a lot of MHB was rendered out of sequence. An idea gets me excited and I flesh out a test scene and next thing I know I'm rendering an entire scene.

What's the status of MHB?
The last couple weeks I've gotten back into the story. I've been going over the outline/script and starting to refine it more and finalizing the dialog. A subtle change in Chapter 1 or 2 can propagate through the story so I'm having to reconcile some things in Ch3 while still moving toward a known finale. I've also been working on doing the setup work for the next few scenes in Daz. Each scene needs the location, environment, characters, wardrobe, and accessories figured out plus a rough setting of cameras and lighting before any final posing and rendering can happen. I kind of like that process but I can easily spend an entire day just doing the setup of one scene. But I'm planning and starting to render this week.

Chapter 3 and beyond
Yes, a good chunk was already rendered but there is still a lot to do. Yes, this still deals a lot more with Hutch and I'm looking forward to tackling a complicated character, trying to convey the emotions welling within him. There are still some sexy scenes but fewer, making it much easier to render (sex scenes are fundamental to the story but they are not fun to make). It's hard to predict the amount of content that'll actually end up in the chapter but I'm guessing Chapter 3 will be about the same size as Chapter 2. I predict 4 will be a little smaller and 5 will be the shortest concentrating on just the finale. I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story. I think it makes the main story better and I think it's what the real fans want. Plus it simply cuts down on production time. I'm not trimming anything that drives the story, just the extra fluff.

So there you have it. Thanks for your patience and thanks for the well wishes some of you sent my way. Now it's time to get back to work.

SC Stories

really think his game not have big fan and get lot bad criticism ??

everyone jealous with his talent art
there is 500 page with only 2 eps .... other game need many year to get fan in short time like this
i mention that in lot game they cant do what you do
i dont know how he make 50 image for one part so exhausted to make and show her emotion
that art of direction


the reason some not like part two is dark side story its too dark not lot like this type sad life and slavery

other thing its very pretty character
you make wife is lovable and sexy and cute
and like see her in other part like son friend or garage some new character student or delivery guy
make some part sad part and put some fun part

 

[packard1928]

SCSTORIES said... I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story.

I think some of the side one he may pare down maybe the mechanic, twins, young student, and the B Ball player. Some of these have to phase out as he said. THey are not currently part of the main story.

 

[noahsombrero]

SC Stories

really think his game not have big fan and get lot bad criticism ??

everyone jealous with his talent art
there is 500 page with only 2 eps .... other game need many year to get fan in short time like this
i mention that in lot game they cant do what you do
i dont know how he make 50 image for one part so exhausted to make and show her emotion
that art of direction

SC's skill in showing facial expressions is quite exceptional. Also overlooked and disregarded by many players. I can think of only one other dev who works at this level.

 

[noahsombrero]

SCSTORIES said... I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story.

I think some of the side one he may pare down maybe the mechanic, twins, young student, and the B Ball player. Some of these have to phase out as he said. THey are not currently part of the main story.

Yes, likely. I think they tend to contribute to the perception of many that wife is a whore, slut, bitch.

 

[packard1928]

Yes, likely. I think they tend to contribute to the perception of many that wife is a whore, slut, bitch.

Not if they do not progress to that point ... where as of now, They have not. They may still. We do not know what DEv will cut out. But I still believe Vivian now is on a mission that has been orchestrated by Hutch to bring down Christian. Yes he is using Vivian as bait.. By I think she likes it !

 

[noahsombrero]

Not if they do not progress to that point ... where as of now, They have not. They may still. We do not know what DEv will cut out. But I still believe Vivian now is on a mission that has been orchestrated by Hutch to bring down Christian. Yes he is using Vivian as bait.. By I think she likes it !

As I have responded to those who hope that she will turn out that way. Not that it has made a bit of difference to what they hope.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Just hope this has a different path then the other Cheating AVNs. Story is already more extensive than others. But it feels just like all the others. Hopefully the next update gives something different not classic cheating.

 

[Xocopin]

Project update

Not abandoned. Just needed a break.

Where have I been?
After pushing to release Chapter 2 and then having a lot of negative comments and review bombs I had to step away for a while. I knew people would leave the story over time, I just didn't think they'd make as much noise as they did when they left. However, based on the number of forum pages, I see there is still an active/loyal fan base and I appreciate you guys. But I can't bring myself to look at the reviews or go back and read all of the earlier posts for the sake of my own sanity. I still view this thread as belonging to you guys and I'm just a visitor but I'll participate a bit more and respond to questions and DM's when I can (No I won't tell you when the update is coming out. No I won't give away the plot.)

What have I been doing?
Mostly just working my house, lots of little projects I've neglected lately. I've also been do some writing on another story. It won't ever been rendered or made public but I like the creative process of building out the characters, plotting the story line and world building. I like taking some of those ideas and building test scenes in Daz to get a feel if my vision is possible. That's why a lot of MHB was rendered out of sequence. An idea gets me excited and I flesh out a test scene and next thing I know I'm rendering an entire scene.

What's the status of MHB?
The last couple weeks I've gotten back into the story. I've been going over the outline/script and starting to refine it more and finalizing the dialog. A subtle change in Chapter 1 or 2 can propagate through the story so I'm having to reconcile some things in Ch3 while still moving toward a known finale. I've also been working on doing the setup work for the next few scenes in Daz. Each scene needs the location, environment, characters, wardrobe, and accessories figured out plus a rough setting of cameras and lighting before any final posing and rendering can happen. I kind of like that process but I can easily spend an entire day just doing the setup of one scene. But I'm planning and starting to render this week.

Chapter 3 and beyond
Yes, a good chunk was already rendered but there is still a lot to do. Yes, this still deals a lot more with Hutch and I'm looking forward to tackling a complicated character, trying to convey the emotions welling within him. There are still some sexy scenes but fewer, making it much easier to render (sex scenes are fundamental to the story but they are not fun to make). It's hard to predict the amount of content that'll actually end up in the chapter but I'm guessing Chapter 3 will be about the same size as Chapter 2. I predict 4 will be a little smaller and 5 will be the shortest concentrating on just the finale. I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story. I think it makes the main story better and I think it's what the real fans want. Plus it simply cuts down on production time. I'm not trimming anything that drives the story, just the extra fluff.

So there you have it. Thanks for your patience and thanks for the well wishes some of you sent my way. Now it's time to get back to work.

Thanks for coming back to tell how the project is going. I only check in here every now and then to see if you've posted anything. I don't read any comments here anymore; I think almost all of them are a waste of time. Most of the comments are just crazy theorists projecting their own kinks onto the game, stretching it out to infinity, making things up, and resentful people spewing hate. Reading the comments is a waste of time.

 

[Xocopin]

This is my attempt at a poll:

Vivian has an important business meeting with Christian and can't decide what to wear. 'Like' this post (and this post only) if you think she should wear this outfit:

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'Like' the post below if you think she should wear the other outfit. Most likes wins.
(look at the next post below for the second outfit)

I would normally choose this one, but these boots didn't go well with the outfit, I think heels would be better.

 

[noahsombrero]

resentful people spewing hate.

There it is.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Thanks for coming back to tell how the project is going. I only check in here every now and then to see if you've posted anything. I don't read any comments here anymore; I think almost all of them are a waste of time. Most of the comments are just crazy theorists projecting their own kinks onto the game, stretching it out to infinity, making things up, and resentful people spewing hate. Reading the comments is a waste of time.

You really show us yourself here what a valuable comment looks like. Doesn't feel like wasted time at all having read it. and no sign of contempt and hate. People and self-reflection...

 

[noahsombrero]

You really show us yourself here what a valuable comment looks like. Doesn't feel like wasted time at all having read it. and no sign of contempt and hate. People and self-reflection...

Sarcasm noted. Refusal to accept criticism also noted.

He didn't say, but if his intent was to include me in his criticism then I accept that. See the difference?

I would not accuse myself of advocating hatred towards characters or players. But certainly Xocopin might find my efforts to oppose hatred a tiresome waste of his time, which does fit within what he said. Fair enough.

My experience of women is that they are delightful creatures who tend to get a bad rap from certain men, tend to get abused by certain men, and tend to be treated without sympathy by certain men when they complain about that. So it bothers me to see that happening here. Apologies to all who are tired of hearing it.

But SC is the captain of this ship and if he wants to lead Wife into degradation and corruption, then I accept that as I usually do when a dev leads me into places like that while telling a great story. The hoping for that, insistence on that from certain players feels at least unnecessary to me at this point. SC might very well have a different story to tell. We all take our chances.