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We know from the start that Christian is a "player" and we know Vivian is a jealous woman. What if she found out she isn´t the only mare in Christians stable, got furious and confronted him, or he spilled the beans to Hutch that her "sacrifice" is bs
Grabbing her like that could be a desperate action to keep control, knowing he messed up...
I for my part would like to see Christian struggle, at least a bit
 

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We know from the start that Christian is a "player" and we know Vivian is a jealous woman. What if she found out she isn´t the only mare in Christians stable, got furious and confronted him, or he spilled the beans to Hutch that her "sacrifice" is bs
Grabbing her like that could be a desperate action to keep control, knowing he messed up...
I for my part would like to see Christian struggle, at least a bit
A big bit. Yes this could also be what that pic is about. Agreed it is a desperate action to keep control regardless of the situation.
 
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We know from the start that Christian is a "player" and we know Vivian is a jealous woman. What if she found out she isn´t the only mare in Christians stable, got furious and confronted him, or he spilled the beans to Hutch that her "sacrifice" is bs
Grabbing her like that could be a desperate action to keep control, knowing he messed up...
I for my part would like to see Christian struggle, at least a bit
Well she already knows that she's not the first - Christian has been quite open about that himself, even if she didn't take Hutch at his word (he could have been exaggerating, or telling stories that Christian himself had exaggerated). What she doesn't know (I don't think) is whether there are any others at the moment. We have seen evidence that almost certainly tells us that there is at least one other woman he's slept with since first bedding Vivian (though there's an outside possibility that this is not the case, and that the glimpse we got of a woman sleeping next to Christian was innocent).
 

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Well she already knows that she's not the first - Christian has been quite open about that himself, even if she didn't take Hutch at his word (he could have been exaggerating, or telling stories that Christian himself had exaggerated). What she doesn't know (I don't think) is whether there are any others at the moment. We have seen evidence that almost certainly tells us that there is at least one other woman he's slept with since first bedding Vivian (though there's an outside possibility that this is not the case, and that the glimpse we got of a woman sleeping next to Christian was innocent).
She is also not in LOVE with Christian. That is why she is so protective of Hutch. she is in lust with Christian.
 

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She is also not in LOVE with Christian. That is why she is so protective of Hutch. she is in lust with Christian.
I'm not sure this is true. She might be starting to love him, judging by the after sex cuddle at the end of part 2. There is no reason why she could not love them both, in different ways perhaps. And, as she says, she can't bear the thought of Husband fucking another woman. It would then be interesting to see how well she bears the thought of Boss fucking another woman.

It would also be interesting to know how she simply passes over Boss's stories of his sexual predation on other women. There is always that fantasy that women sometimes have that, for me, the monster will be kind because I have heaven between my legs. Well, consider Wife, so did the victims he confesses to.

Another wonderment I have is, why exactly was it necessary for them to sneak sex at the garden party? I would think that most sexual partners would seek more private and comfortable situations where they can have several sessions at their leisure instead of only one.
 
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She is also not in LOVE with Christian. That is why she is so protective of Hutch. she is in lust with Christian.
True, but she wants to be someone special for him, that is why she asked Christian if he only had said things to her she wanted to hear and his answer speaks volumes...
 

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We have crossed the line after which the interpretations people have built in their minds about the story have become so strong, that they will keep them up and keep projecting them regardless of what the dev will give us in the remaining chapters. That's what I get from reading the thread. Every possbile outcome, event and dialogue will be interpreted contrafactually by people here. Which is in itself interesting to watch. The interpretations have become immune against the facts.
 

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We have seen evidence that almost certainly tells us that there is at least one other woman he's slept with since first bedding Vivian (though there's an outside possibility that this is not the case, and that the glimpse we got of a woman sleeping next to Christian was innocent).
I cannot remember this scene, in what chapter did it happen ?
 

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We have crossed the line after which the interpretations people have built in their minds about the story have become so strong, that they will keep them up and keep projecting them regardless of what the dev will give us in the remaining chapters. That's what I get from reading the thread. Every possbile outcome, event and dialogue will be interpreted contrafactually by people here. Which is in itself interesting to watch. The interpretations have become immune against the facts.
How odd that you see that for us and not for yourself. Again, this is the respect we get from your side. You insist that you are absolutely right and cannot be wrong. And thus how it is I have forced many of you guys into blocking me. I simply refuse to let you guys get away with such poor analysis, and many of you simply cannot accept that. Kudos for not being one of them at least.
 

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I cannot remember this scene, in what chapter did it happen ?
Yeah, chapter one when he calls Vivian at night and has the balls to say he's offended that she tried to jump on another man (her husband) less than 24 hours after fucking him.
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Innocently sleeping fully nude in the same bed :unsure::unsure:
Kind of an "innocent until proven guilty" scenario. Admittedly, in trying to give benefit of the doubt, I had forgotten until grabbing the renders that Christian was also fully nude, and that you could see enough of the blonde (theorised by many to be Addison or Addison's mother) to see that she is at least topless (barring some nightwear that is miraculously not visible in the images).

To be clear, regardless of whether the blonde was Addison, her mother, or just some random blonde, I am 100% of the opinion that Christian had just fucked her - I was just saying that it's not "on camera" and so we therefore cannot prove it. Also, it should be noted that she appears to have less stamina than Vivian, if she's sleeping here - unless Christian was worn out from his exploits of the night before :LOL: (In case it needs saying, this last was a joke, as I know that not every time will be a marathon all-night session!)
 

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We have crossed the line after which the interpretations people have built in their minds about the story have become so strong, that they will keep them up and keep projecting them regardless of what the dev will give us in the remaining chapters. That's what I get from reading the thread. Every possbile outcome, event and dialogue will be interpreted contrafactually by people here. Which is in itself interesting to watch. The interpretations have become immune against the facts.
I understand your point, but doesn’t the same hold true for your insights on the game? Plus, it’s a bit to early to trot out that assumption. If, after the final chapter, people are still holding on to some interpretation contrary to facts (unless the Dev leaves ambiguity) then I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Also, you sell some of us short. I think people will admit if their interpretation is incorrect. I think Vivian may be playing her own game based on the last update and wonder if she is setting Christian up. Now, I understand I may be reading into her comments and actions. I might be over complicating things. We shall see. If she is simply a lust puppy, then I will admit that after the final update. Regardless, that is the interesting thing about this KN. It elicits a lot of opinion and theories. I have enjoyed the various opinions.
 

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I understand your point, but doesn’t the same hold true for your insights on the game? Plus, it’s a bit to early to trot out that assumption. If, after the final chapter, people are still holding on to some interpretation contrary to facts (unless the Dev leaves ambiguity) then I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Also, you sell some of us short. I think people will admit if their interpretation is incorrect. I think Vivian may be playing her own game based on the last update and wonder if she is setting Christian up. Now, I understand I may be reading into her comments and actions. I might be over complicating things. We shall see. If she is simply a lust puppy, then I will admit that after the final update. Regardless, that is the interesting thing about this KN. It elicits a lot of opinion and theories. I have enjoyed the various opinions.
Excellent.

I do see possible trouble ahead for Wife. Boss might have been angling for a Husband/Wife split with that sex at the garden party. He might finally get it. If that happens, it is possible that Boss decides his little game with Wife is finished. He dumps her. And then with no Husband and no Boss what happens to her? She can't make enough as a substitute teacher to support herself.

I see that pic of her looking anxiously into a car window as ominous. Does she become a prostitute in the street? She is showing a huge chunk of cleavage in that pic.

Or perhaps that angry pic that SC gave us is her about to surrender herself to whatever Boss wants, escorts, or even Boss runs a prostitution ring and forces her into it along with his other predatoried women.

It seems to me that some here would be delighted to see such things. As for me I would be horrified. My first impression at the end of chpt 1 was that this game is simply too ugly. But I gave it chance. I watch many games that show ugly things if they can manage to have a good story. The thing that horrifies me more than anything is the thought that some here would be delighted to see Wife descend into degeneracy.

I think that working out a viable long term relationship with Boss or reconciling with Husband are her least likely outcomes.
 
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Remember Vivian has a new found backbone. She verbally screamed back at Christian in the backyard after the rape She felt a NEW power. She wasn't afraid anymore. It even took him back a second. You could see it in his eyes. I am anxious to see how she is in the next release... I hope she starts to put him in his place.
Your interpretation of Vivian verbally screaming at Christian, you put it out of the context of the scene.... So your remembering is quite out of reality
This is what Vivian said to Christian after she voluntarily accepted Mr. Reese's "rape"
What you claim to be rape is not real rape.
Only after Chris intimated her to tell the truth about how she felt, she reveal her second hidden personality to us.
And the first thing she says is.....
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---It was mere minutes from ever meeting this man to him being inside her wet pussy!
Christian is the one that is making her to know about her second personality... a personality that she had not been aware of having or that perhaps (as I believe) she had put aside in order to be faithful to her role as Hutch's devoted goodwife.
and this is a new step forward because she begins to reveal to us something more... that might be relate to the evening at the restaurant with Chris...
Are we sure that the first time Vivian had sex with Christian was the night she decided to go save her husband's job by accepting the invitation and dress that Christina had delivered to her home?...

I say this just to help you remember...your post is on the remembering so....
let's let the scene speak for remembering the evening at the restaurant with Vivian and her husband's boss
Wait wait, why does she seem so angry because she saw such a fine bottle of wine?
And why does he seem to confirm to her that his choice of wine could it not a coincidence?
Wait wait .... How come something tells me that Christian has known or taken information about Vivian's past before the restaurant meeting?
CHRIS KNOWS THAT VUV WAS BORN IN 1979 ???? How he can be so well informed about her if this is only the second time he has met Hutch's wife
An older man???
Am I wrong or is Vivian telling here how she lived and paid for her studies in Paris?
Why is she telling Christian what she never told her husband?
Is she telling how she lost her virginity?
That doesn't sound like something to hide from her husband
--I rather believe she is telling Christian what she did to pay for her studies
I think that the older man with whom she fucked in France when she was a penniless student and couldn't afford the expensive wine...could be Cristian's father and in that case what sombrero said about incest might make sense...I have to admit that it could be so...but I don't like to venture into hypotheticals so...

------------To Be Continued
 
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I understand your point, but doesn’t the same hold true for your insights on the game? Plus, it’s a bit to early to trot out that assumption. If, after the final chapter, people are still holding on to some interpretation contrary to facts (unless the Dev leaves ambiguity) then I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Also, you sell some of us short. I think people will admit if their interpretation is incorrect. I think Vivian may be playing her own game based on the last update and wonder if she is setting Christian up. Now, I understand I may be reading into her comments and actions. I might be over complicating things. We shall see. If she is simply a lust puppy, then I will admit that after the final update. Regardless, that is the interesting thing about this KN. It elicits a lot of opinion and theories. I have enjoyed the various opinions.
If I say "we" I mean we, including myself of course. And one part of it is not that people are to stupid or arrogant to let themselves be corrected, but that there are certain narratives around here which COULDN'T be corrected by any turn of the story because they are of a sort which stands above that or is more fundamental than that. If you, just as an example, really still think at this point that Vivian loves Hutch, then you could uphold that opinion in virtually every coming turn of events, you could always find explanations and interpretations to argue that case (except maybe the dev having her say "I never loved you" but even that could be psychologically rationalized away). If you think she is no "whore" at this point - well she could sleep with the whole town and you wouldn't think otherwise. Etc - you get my point. To take your example: I'm not even sure if it would change my view of Vivian even if you were right and she is setting Christian up - her illoyality towards Hutch would stand there regardless and I would find her foolish anyway. It's probably about character archetypes which, if you believe in them, can't really be contradicted anymore. And it's about guilt and responsibility-attributions which go far beyond the characters in this specific game, which have to do with societal norms. Some here have stated months ago that Hutch is at fault anyway because he failed in his job and set all in motion therefore - no turn of events could change that view.
 

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here's how the evening ends at the restaurant.... (I don't post sex scenes because you've surely all seen those) ;) Screenshot 2025-08-22 at 16.58.08.jpg
She is talking about when she was in France.... that is why something says to me that maybe was Chris father
She can be Christian sister without knowing
She is complain about the dress but at same time she is talking about to be a prostitute

That make sense with her "job in France" in order to pay her studies Screenshot 2025-08-22 at 17.00.34.jpg

And we can remember what's happened after that restaurant evening? :LOL:

SEX SEX SEX SEX :cool:
 
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