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noahsombrero

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Hmm, I think a little clarification might help. Wanting to have sex with somebody is not selfish. Doing it might be a betrayal of a husband but that is also not selfish. Sex is a primal need and a lot of the time will not be denied. Although there are better ways than some Wife has done.

Some women look at a guy like Boss and know exactly what he is worth. And others look at a guy like Boss and fuck him the first chance they get, sometimes repeatedly. That would mostly be a function of life experience, which Wife is getting right now, big time.
 

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Doing it might be a betrayal of a husband but that is also not selfish. Sex is a primal need and a lot of the time will not be denied.
Wanting to have sex is not selfish - acting on those wants and betraying your partner is very much indeed selfish - just because you're acting on a need, doesn't make it any less selfish.
 

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I hope Rut's narrative is interesting. The humiliated cuckold getting even with the bully. It would be groundbreaking. He could screw someone truly important.


Small criticism: I didn't really like the fact that the wife poisoned herself so quickly. Chapter 1 was really cool because she was so sad about herself. She felt like trash. But in Chapter 2, she turned into a whore.
 

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Small criticism: I didn't really like the fact that the wife poisoned herself so quickly. Chapter 1 was really cool because she was so sad about herself. She felt like trash. But in Chapter 2, she turned into a whore.
It's not an uncommon opinion to some that CH1 and CH2 Vivian, do feel a little bit like two different people. Just gonna have to wait and see if CH3 can mend/explain some things a little. (y)
 

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Wanting to have sex is not selfish - acting on those wants and betraying your partner is very much indeed selfish - just because you're acting on a need, doesn't make it any less selfish.
In this case, it has much more to do with life experience and maturity. Kids learn to not be selfish in kindergarten and interacting with brother and sister at home. Learning about sexuality is an entirely different thing that happens much later.

The experienced mature woman knows that Boss is a snake in the grass. A woman who has not learned that yet, wants to fuck him and likely will one way or the other. Like all miscreants her hope is to get away with it, and in this case there is not much that would stop her, certainly not any worry about being selfish, or worry about betraying husband, she is going to get away with it. Her genes tell her that this guy is very likely to be able to successfully bring children to adulthood. Her genes are right about that. Only previous bad experiences can help her override that.

Man haters and lesbians don't count in this analysis
 
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The thing we do not know is whose side is she really on? Is she Boss's little bed partner, as some think in that pic with something beside him in bed?
I cannot see that happening. The way how the story is presented, it is made clear that she likes Hutch. I quote Addison from Ch1: "You're not leaving me... I mean us... are you?"

That plus Christian somewhat grudgingly acknowledges towards Vivian that Hutch is one of very few people who managed to get close to Addison.
 

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Az SC Stori meg akarja mutatni nekünk, hogyan tehet tönkre egy kapcsolatot egy harmadik fél. És hogyan viselkednek a párok ilyen helyzetekben. Nincs itt alfahím, ahogy sokan mondták ebben a kinetikus regényben, csak egy gondoskodó családapa, aki felnevelte gyermekeit és eltartotta feleségét, valamint egy erőszakos féregember.
Még Christian sem alfahím, mert csak zsarolással és erőszakkal tud nőket szerezni, és az ilyen típusú férfi nem alfahím.
Tudom, hogy Vivien bármikor visszamehetne Hutchhoz, és újra összeházasodhatnának, de Vivien tudja, mit tett Hutchcsal, ezért nehéz neki Hutch szemébe néznie a bűntudat és az árulás miatt.
No offense, but I had to use Google translate for this. I can't read Hungarian. I do agree with your assessment.
 
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A meme to lighten the mood

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I swear to god man...She better not just be another Christian lover that's just following his orders to mess with Hutch or some shit. And also just acting out against Vivian, because she's protective/jealous of her seeing Christian...

Let Hutch and her become a thing man. It could be actual CINEMA to witness it and also the general fallout with Vivian...please. (y):ROFLMAO:
 

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I swear to god man...She better not just be another Christian lover that's just following his orders to mess with Hutch or some shit. And also just acting out against Vivian, because she's protective/jealous of her seeing Christian...

Let Hutch and her become a thing man. It could be actual CINEMA to witness it and also the general fallout with Vivian...please. (y):ROFLMAO:
And so it is that we all hope, wish for things in this game. I say, if Husband connects with officegirl then marries her, he is now part of the family, Boss can go off to jail or something and Husband can take charge of the business. Why not, as long as we are fantasizing imaginations.
 

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In this case, it has much more to do with life experience and maturity. Kids learn to not be selfish in kindergarten and interacting with brother and sister at home. Learning about sexuality is an entirely different thing that happens much later.
Doesn't matter - Just because you havent experienced something doesn't make anything less selfish because you don't know it - it makes it even more selfish. I haven't experienced being trapped in the desert with my best friend and only one bottle of water, but I know it would be pretty selfish to keep that bottle to myself.

The definition of Selfish is clear - Lacking consideration for others; Concerned chiefly with one's own personal pleasure or profit - having sex with someone while betraying your husband meets that definition

The experienced mature woman knows that Boss is a snake in the grass. A woman who has not learned that yet, wants to fuck him and likely will one way or the other. Like all miscreants her hope is to get away with it , and in this case there is not much that would stop her. Her genes tell her that this guy is very likely to be able to successfully bring children to adulthood. Her genes are right about that. Only previous bad experiences can help her override that.
No the experienced woman might not know that he is a snake in the grass - see the thing about Christian so far is he has been proven to be a master manipulator - even the most experienced woman might fall for his charms and realise who is is after the fact. Hell Vivian knows what kind of man he is by Chapter 2 end, and we still have 3 more chapters to go yet.. so theres plenty of time for her to fall for his charms again. Vivian is a woman in her early 40's with a child already, she's not going to give a fuck about how strong a man's seed is and good the chances are to adulthood -

See, you and Stanford are the same in this regard, you are properly psycho analysing a fictional character with things based in real life and with the benfit of time to think and a hell of a lot of hindsight - a fictional character who was written by an amateur writer, who probably didn't think about a womans desire to have the strongest seedand all that - you are really making a mountain out of nothing and its simple.

Man tricks woman into having sex with her
Woman likes having sex with a man
Woman continues to have sex with the man

Why we need to try and overly complicate things and somehow find Vivian a get out of jail free card is beyond me - now I wont go as far as to say shes a slut, whore or the extremes she's been called here, but by chapter 2 it's pretty clear Vivian is lusting after Christian and purposely and selfishly screwing over her own husband for her own desires. she may have gotten into the mess with good desires, but she was given an out she didnt take. She backed out of ending it herself - Vivian is not the good guy here,
 
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I swear to god man...She better not just be another Christian lover that's just following his orders to mess with Hutch or some shit. And also just acting out against Vivian, because she's protective/jealous of her seeing Christian...

Let Hutch and her become a thing man. It could be actual CINEMA to witness it and also the general fallout with Vivian...please. (y):ROFLMAO:
I think the icing on the cake here would be if Hutch does leave Vivian for her and she turns out to be everything Vivian used be, everything her mom told her to change, "because men wouldn't love that" - the sort of woman who brings hutch out of his shell and stops him being the "beta boy" he is - a sort of poetic thing where as everything that happened was because vivian wasnt herself, causing hutch not to be himself and she caused it all herself.
 

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The definition of Selfish is clear - Lacking consideration for others; Concerned chiefly with one's own personal pleasure or profit - having sex with someone while betraying your husband meets that definition.
And so it is that definitions make fools of us all. It is not simply a matter of pleasure or profit for Wife. Sexual inclinations are much more complex than that. In fact we very often do not know where they come from, of which I suspect Wife has no clue.

If that were all it was for Wife and Boss, that little adventure in Boss's house would not have extended to 8 times of intense pleasure all the way to dawn for both of them. That is not what casual, for money sex is like.
 

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I think the icing on the cake here would be if Hutch does leave Vivian for her and she turns out to be everything Vivian used be, everything her mom told her to change, "because men wouldn't love that" - the sort of woman who brings hutch out of his shell and stops him being the "beta boy" he is - a sort of poetic thing where as everything that happened was because vivian wasnt herself, causing hutch not to be himself and she caused it all herself.
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I think the icing on the cake here would be if Hutch does leave Vivian for her and she turns out to be everything Vivian used be, everything her mom told her to change, "because men wouldn't love that" - the sort of woman who brings hutch out of his shell and stops him being the "beta boy" he is - a sort of poetic thing where as everything that happened was because vivian wasnt herself, causing hutch not to be himself and she caused it all herself.
That and a conversation between Hutch and Christian after he quits to start his own company with Addison:

Hutch: "I heard they couldn't reverse your vasectomy... That's a shame. But don't worry. A quarter of your genes, the part you share with your brother, will live on through Addison and me."
 

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**VIVIAN**

Vivian isnt a victim, vivian isn't being bullied nor manipulated against her will, she is activitily encouraging Christians and others behaviour towards her because she is clearly pshycotic and gets turned on by being dominated. Possibility in CP4 we might learned that Vivian was abused at a younger age, for she is clearly a traumatised woman that only sees her self-worth and validation in her sexual exploits.

CP1 :

1: Vivian, who clearly has no respect for herself, her husband or marriage, discives hutch, dresses like a sluty school girl ( not a professional woman) and approachs Christian on her own in his office in the early hour's of the morning when nobody is around. She tries to seduce Christian ( a man shes never met) strating with a kiss on the lips, Christian quickly reads the room and side steps her attempt. This knocks the narcissist that she is off balance, shes not used to not getting her way and gets really turned on and attracted to Christian as he has just demonstrated social value

2: Vivian ignores her husband pleas not to go to Christian house with him she disrespects him by going anyway, as she really wants to be with Christian. She deliberately wears high-heels to make hutch look small in stature and to immasculate him in the presence of Christian, as Hutchs tells her " I don't like it when you wear high-heels. Vivian doesn't care as she isn't dressing for hutch, shes dressing to impress Christian.

3: In the house ( as we find out in CP2) it is Vivian that intitates the sex in the backgarden, it wasn't Christian. Vivian humiliates Hutch by having sex all night while he is next door. She wasn't doing it to protect hutch or save his job she was beginning the slow process of monkey branching to her alpha man Christian.

4: This time, Vivian dress's like a high-class lady in a beautiful blue dress and heads to the office during the day where shes know her husband will be, as she desperately wants to be with Christian. She dress as she dose to try and singal to Christian
" look I'm actually a high-class woman" that would complement you as a high-class man we could be a power couple. Addison spot's this, ( and as Addison is already sleeping with Christian) she knows what Vivian is doing and gets annoyed, Vivian dosent care as she goes on to have sex with Christian in the toilet, again she humiliates her husband Christian probably participate d to make Addison jealous.

5: At the end of CP1, she very cleverly manipulates Hutch into accepting the open marriage, she persuades hutch the sex means nothing ( bullshit) and that shes only doing it to help him keep his job ( more bullshit) shes doing it to protect her long-term wants and needs.

CP2

1: dresses like a corner street hooker, tits hanging out for the world to see and at the end of the night, on the way home from the dinner, it's Vivian that asks Christian to take his cock out, its Vivian that can't stop taking to Christian about his cock, and it's Vivian that pounces on him. Vivian dosent have a problem having sex infront of the whole neighbourhood, once again, humiliating her husband, as long as it help serve her needs and wants long-term.

2: when Christian and Hutch head off on the business trip, Vivian has no issue with heading out and allowing herself to be picked up by two strangers and to hand her anal Virginity to a complete stranger first time around, even though she had denied that right to her husband who had wanted her ass for years. She then tells sunshine that she wanted her ass loosened for not her husband but Christian. She's a complete hoe

3: she allows herself to be r#%ped in the hotel by the new client, only to take her fake anger out on Hutch as she dumps him back at the house to speed off to see Christian to once again play the enternal feminist victim, only to f£%k Christian as she admits that she enjoyed the r#pe as it made her feel powerful. At the end she tells Christian 'I belong to you"

To any younger men playing this game, keep a close eye on Vivian for her character and her action's will teach you everything you need to know and look out for when dealing with modern-day women, for she has all the red-flags that men need to be aware of. Maybe Vivian character might actual be a hero after all, as she could save the lives of many a real life man playing this game as she teach them all about the true nature of modern-day women
 

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And so it is that definitions make fools of us all. It is not simply a matter of pleasure or profit for Wife. Sexual inclinations are much more complex than that. In fact we very often do not know where they come from, of which I suspect Wife has no clue.
Again, you are adding real-life human wants, needs and urges to a fictional character in a AVN written by an amateur writer - these are not people we can ask for their motives on doing something and randomly speculating on things adding real life human conditions and feelings brings nothing to the conversation but conjecture and outlandish theories- we can only go on what has been given in the story and speculate based on that - and the narrative has given us enough information to know that Vivian has not been herself because her mom told her thats not what a husband wants, has had preety vanilla sex with Hutch till now, has had great sex with Chrisitan, even engineered a situation in the car with him so she could have her way with him, has had her desires realised by sunshine while having a conversation about that great sex, acts on those desires despite the fact she was going to end it. - Again, I know you've been all over the face that Vivian is some sort of saint - but she really isn't, she is clearly at this point acting on her own urges. Yeah, she may have got here in a bit of a sketchy way and been the victim in that, but shes had two opportunities to leave and not taken them, once is a mistake, twice is a choice.
 

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**VIVIAN**

Vivian isnt a victim, vivian isn't being bullied nor manipulated against her will, she is activitily encouraging Christians and others behaviour towards her because she is clearly pshycotic and gets turned on by being dominated. Possibility in CP4 we might learned that Vivian was abused at a younger age, for she is clearly a traumatised woman that only sees her self-worth and validation in her sexual exploits.

CP1 :

1: Vivian, who clearly has no respect for herself, her husband or marriage, discives hutch, dresses like a sluty school girl ( not a professional woman) and approachs Christian on her own in his office in the early hour's of the morning when nobody is around. She tries to seduce Christian ( a man shes never met) strating with a kiss on the lips, Christian quickly reads the room and side steps her attempt. This knocks the narcissist that she is off balance, shes not used to not getting her way and gets really turned on and attracted to Christian as he has just demonstrated social value

2: Vivian ignores her husband pleas not to go to Christian house with him she disrespects him by going anyway, as she really wants to be with Christian. She deliberately wears high-heels to make hutch look small in stature and to immasculate him in the presence of Christian, as Hutchs tells her " I don't like it when you wear high-heels. Vivian doesn't care as she isn't dressing for hutch, shes dressing to impress Christian.

3: In the house ( as we find out in CP2) it is Vivian that intitates the sex in the backgarden, it wasn't Christian. Vivian humiliates Hutch by having sex all night while he is next door. She wasn't doing it to protect hutch or save his job she was beginning the slow process of monkey branching to her alpha man Christian.

4: This time, Vivian dress's like a high-class lady in a beautiful blue dress and heads to the office during the day where shes know her husband will be, as she desperately wants to be with Christian. She dress as she dose to try and singal to Christian
" look I'm actually a high-class woman" that would complement you as a high-class man we could be a power couple. Addison spot's this, ( and as Addison is already sleeping with Christian) she knows what Vivian is doing and gets annoyed, Vivian dosent care as she goes on to have sex with Christian in the toilet, again she humiliates her husband Christian probably participate d to make Addison jealous.

5: At the end of CP1, she very cleverly manipulates Hutch into accepting the open marriage, she persuades hutch the sex means nothing ( bullshit) and that shes only doing it to help him keep his job ( more bullshit) shes doing it to protect her long-term wants and needs.

CP2

1: dresses like a corner street hooker, tits hanging out for the world to see and at the end of the night, on the way home from the dinner, it's Vivian that asks Christian to take his cock out, its Vivian that can't stop taking to Christian about his cock, and it's Vivian that pounces on him. Vivian dosent have a problem having sex infront of the whole neighbourhood, once again, humiliating her husband, as long as it help serve her needs and wants long-term.

2: when Christian and Hutch head off on the business trip, Vivian has no issue with heading out and allowing herself to be picked up by two strangers and to hand her anal Virginity to a complete stranger first time around, even though she had denied that right to her husband who had wanted her ass for years. She then tells sunshine that she wanted her ass loosened for not her husband but Christian. She's a complete hoe

3: she allows herself to be r#%ped in the hotel by the new client, only to take her fake anger out on Hutch as she dumps him back at the house to speed off to see Christian to once again play the enternal feminist victim, only to f£%k Christian as she admits that she enjoyed the r#pe as it made her feel powerful. At the end she tells Christian 'I belong to you"

To any younger men playing this game, keep a close eye on Vivian for her character and her action's will teach you everything you need to know and look out for when dealing with modern-day women, for she has all the red-flags that men need to be aware of. Maybe Vivian character might actual be a hero after all, as she could save the lives of many a real life man playing this game as she teach them all about the true nature of modern-day women
That's massive.
 

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It's interesting how many people here seriously think that a 45 year old woman finds extreme sexual compatibility by pure chance with that man out of all who coincidentally also has power over her husband's job and herself. And they also think that this woman has her urgent sexual awakening also coincedentally in that very moment she fears a financial crisis.
So if the boss were a poor homeless guy with a big dick - she also would get sexually addicted, would find her sexual true self with him and would let her marriage go down the drain for him? Just because the sex is so fantastic?
This is the logic when you think this is all solely about sexual pleasure for her - and not about power and status. Bonkers. The boss isi not a cock for her but somebody with power she wants to profit from. It's not only about the dick but who's dick it is.
 
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