noahsombrero

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yep... but in the next preview... she is leaning into Hutch with a perplexed look on her face as the boss is walking away....
You are talking about sex at the party.
Not perplexed I think. She regrets what she is doing to her marriage. I don't see that as anger.

She wants to have both, Husband and Boss. Regardless of not wishing to see her destroyed, I don't think that is going to work.

The cuddle scene comes at the end of chpt 2 final sex. I don't think you can take that away from her. This is a lover's moment. In spite of the cuddle she still insists she must to home to Husband. She wants both, can't have both. Dark times ahead.

I don't wish bad things for her, but she will be fortunate indeed if she manages to avoid them.
 

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You live in your own parallel universe. It would be good to start your sentences with “I think” or “I believe.”

Everything is extrapolation. Like Tony, I don't see what you think is strictly written in the game. It's just an interpretation.
Let's not get carried away here. The story is hardly realistic. But keeping that aside. This is a AVN, not a AN. Without visuals to further immerse yourself in, this story wouldn't get much attention. I've seen a lot of similar ones on sites like literotica that get discarded, though loving wives section is a hard one to break into. Anyway, because this one does have great visuals it's so good. Sometimes they say more than words. Like for example when Vivian and Christian are naked in the kitchen she grabs his hand and drags him back to his bedroom. She didn't have to do that she could have just sneaked back quickly and let Christian do whatever he wanted to do. But to me this says that she was also horny and wanted to be fucked by him some more.
I live in the stories I read because that's how you read a script... (also movies i love to be full immersed in the plot)
but when I close the game, I go back to doing my own thing...
I don't like reading stories whatching movies as if everything were a farce...... I love realistic written story

Now I'm going to the restaurant with my wife--- Bye!

Thanks for reading my posts

PS: I hope no one of my posts will be deleted... in any case i have a backup of them
 

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Why are you wasting your time with an user that clearly doesn't want to engage in a dialogue, but impose his POV, even if he has not any proof to endorse it as your already shown? Plus, you already know he's like this.
I do not impose a shit
I write only my opinion and i like to dialogue with PPL that thinks different from my POV... it helps me a lot to understand better if there is a better possibile vision of the plot.

The problem is that Tony Murray only criticizes my points of view but never publishes his own vision of the story... it's easy to criticize without arguing the merits, repeating that he disagrees with the fact that Hutch was warned by the boss and that, despite being warned two days earlier, he lost two important clients... Chris didn't know Hutch's wife on the first day.

This whole story only began because Hutch made the mistake of not listening to the boss's warnings.

Vivian would never have met Chris if Hutch had done his duty at the best
 
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You are talking about sex at the party.
Not perplexed I think. She regrets what she is doing to her marriage. I don't see that as anger.

She wants to have both, Husband and Boss. Regardless of not wishing to see her destroyed, I don't think that is going to work.

The cuddle scene comes at the end of chpt 2 final sex. I don't think you can take that away from her. This is a lover's moment. In spite of the cuddle she still insists she must to home to Husband. She wants both, can't have both. Dark times ahead.

I don't wish bad things for her, but she will be fortunate indeed if she manages to avoid them.
I agree with you.. I also think she is deep regret for what she is doing to her marriage and Hutch personally. She is just to deep in it and does not know how to get out. So.. ( to us ) currently it appears she is playing both sides of the fence. She does love the Sex Christian gives her ( No mistake about that ) But.... she wants to go home to Hutch ! That is Love. I still think there is a plan being hatched... she is the bait
 

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I agree with you.. I also think she is deep regret for what she is doing to her marriage and Hutch personally. She is just to deep in it and does not know how to get out. So.. ( to us ) currently it appears she is playing both sides of the fence. She does love the Sex Christian gives her ( No mistake about that ) But.... she wants to go home to Hutch ! That is Love. I still think there is a plan being hatched... she is the bait
It could be, but I don't think Vivian is the bait for anything...
In any case, in chapter 2, she realized that she has no alternative if she wants Hutch Mom to lose his job and become a useless man who can't pay the bills for his home and family.
Without Vivian, Hutch has lost everything... maybe even his wife. In any case, he would be a man who can't take care of his family... we'll see.
If Hutch makes the wrong move, he will destroy everything he has built in 22 years of marriage.
 

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yep... but in the next preview... she is leaning into Hutch with a perplexed look on her face as the boss is walking away...
next preview means nothing IMO... just for the note i remember you that there are at least 4 chapters more in the plan .. but i hope they will be more than just 4... even if at this rate 2 years are required to release 4 new chapters of this amazing story
 
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But in that situation you can only take what Christian says at face value. Deception and manipulation is Christian weapon.
Yes, with that and other tactics Boss wants to convince Wife that the whole thing was entirely her own doing, so she will stop calling him an asshole. By the end of chpt2, that seems to have worked.
 

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I'm sorry if you are not capable to understand my reasoning, but everything I write is based on the chapters already published...
Money is the reason for everything, but perhaps if I describe the scene with Vivian in the hotel with Mr. Rees, you'll understand what kind of figures I'm talking about. View attachment 5369497
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There is no rape in this scene... she is free to leave without closing the contract
I'll spoiler the rest if you are interested
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Meanwhile Hutxh is waiting but after his wife has colesed a contract for one of Hutch client
Vivian treats him like shit because she realizes that Hutch knew Mr. Rees well, and rightly gets pissed off and says to him... “What the fuck are you doing here? I told you to wait in the car.”

Now, if you can't connect the dots between the first day with Hutch losing two important clients... saving his job thanks to his wife... the fact that Mr. Rees was another client Hutch could have lost... with the fact that thanks to Christian, Hutch earned more than he lost with the clients stolen by the GSA... it's certainly not my fault...
The story is very convoluted and it's difficult to find the right connections, but when there's a lot of money involved, it's easy to draw a line.
If Vivian hadn't gone to Chris to save her husband's job, Hutch would now be unemployed and living off Vivian's teaching salary.

This is my interpretation

Thanks to be interested in my opinions
I understand your reasoning, the issue is that it is completely irrelevant as it has no bearing on what you were previously saying. It's just another example of you trying to obfuscate by talking about a completely unrelated part of the game. There are no dots joining the two to follow.
I do not agree with your lecture...

this is the script;
b "Oh shit, indeed."
b "I warned you they were expanding by stealing other people's clients. I warned you to shore up your relationships."


In this sentence from Chris, I read that he asks him to strengthen his relationships with customers, and on that day he didn't know that Hutch was married to Vivian... so the only way to strengthen the relationship was to invite them for a drink and give them a discount... or offer them a prostitute, which he obviously has to pay for if he wants to keep his customers...
Hutch had been warned... but the result was that he lost two of his important clients on the same day.
So he lost also the commissions he was hoping for... in fact, he comes home devastated when he hears his wife talking about the car breaking down and paying taxes for their son's school.

I'm sorry for you but this is my interpretation!

If you are not able to see the connection in the scenes i posted is just your fault

Money is always the big reason for doing something that you don't like to do ...in the real life everything is always related to money!!.. THIS IS A REALISTIC WRITTEN PLOT!!

Cheers
Again, complete irrelevance. Why are you talking about Vivian here as if it's part of the answer? Why do you think that the only way to strengthen relationships with a client (an existing client, I might add) is to invite them for a drink and offer a discount (or a prostitute...)? You sound like a really poor businessman based on your posts in this thread. I hope you don't have any financial responsibility in whatever you do for work.
I do not impose a shit
I write only my opinion and i like to dialogue with PPL that thinks different from my POV... it helps me a lot to understand better if there is a better possibile vision of the plot.

The problem is that Tony Murray only criticizes my points of view but never publishes his own vision of the story... it's easy to criticize without arguing the merits, repeating that he disagrees with the fact that Hutch was warned by the boss and that, despite being warned two days earlier, he lost two important clients... Chris didn't know Hutch's wife on the first day.

This whole story only began because Hutch made the mistake of not listening to the boss's warnings.

Vivian would never have met Chris if Hutch had done his duty at the best
This is another example of making things up to suit your argument. When have I disagreed that Hutch lost clients because he didn't sort things out after Christian's warning? (That would be daft of me to do, since it is actually discussed in the game...) What I disagreed with was you saying Christian told Hutch he was asking for too much commission, and he lost the clients because he didn't give them a discount (this is the bit that isn't in the game, which is why I disagreed with you saying it as fact).
 

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The first pic was to show that Christians company is a Product related company.... They have a warehouse.. So anything could have caused a rift with the clients... Not just Hutch. As I mentioned before.
 

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I understand your reasoning, the issue is that it is completely irrelevant as it has no bearing on what you were previously saying. It's just another example of you trying to obfuscate by talking about a completely unrelated part of the game. There are no dots joining the two to follow.

Again, complete irrelevance. Why are you talking about Vivian here as if it's part of the answer? Why do you think that the only way to strengthen relationships with a client (an existing client, I might add) is to invite them for a drink and offer a discount (or a prostitute...)? You sound like a really poor businessman based on your posts in this thread. I hope you don't have any financial responsibility in whatever you do for work.

This is another example of making things up to suit your argument. When have I disagreed that Hutch lost clients because he didn't sort things out after Christian's warning? (That would be daft of me to do, since it is actually discussed in the game...) What I disagreed with was you saying Christian told Hutch he was asking for too much commission, and he lost the clients because he didn't give them a discount (this is the bit that isn't in the game, which is why I disagreed with you saying it as fact).
This Is my interpretation ... So we Will see. And i am not fabricating ... It Is written in the game

Cheers and take care of yourself
 

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I don't believe Hutch would have been unemployed at all.
Vivian jumping the gun! Gave Christian an Oppurtunity many would not turn down. By his nature alone , it was a Gift thrown in his lap, and he used it.

Christrian learned fast how to manipulate Vivian, what buttons to push etc. Simply play on her guilt, place her in situations where she has a false sense of freedom but with great Lost! Even though it was not fully shown in detail at the house in chapter one in the kitchen.

Which I think it should have been with a nice side mini game showing christian seducing her and breaking her will.

This allowed Christian to Learn her mental behavior pattern and tecniques that would work in having her yeild! Once he knew this? it was easy to duplicate from that point on.

The next phase or stage where he drives her home is brilliant! I can't stand this MF! The ability to plant a seed , watch it grow, then hammer it into one's skull until you get what you want? Priceless!

After that, Sexual inertia took over and Christian does not even need to work that hard anymore. I bet he says to himself, "This shit does all the work for me"


Spoiler: The hotel was the breaking point!

From this point on she was gone but I really thought she might have some reserved left. It kinda of sadden me she did not.

Really can't wait to see what direction the writer will take this.
 

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You are talking about sex at the party.
Not perplexed I think. She regrets what she is doing to her marriage. I don't see that as anger.

She wants to have both, Husband and Boss. Regardless of not wishing to see her destroyed, I don't think that is going to work.

The cuddle scene comes at the end of chpt 2 final sex. I don't think you can take that away from her. This is a lover's moment. In spite of the cuddle she still insists she must to home to Husband. She wants both, can't have both. Dark times ahead.

I don't wish bad things for her, but she will be fortunate indeed if she manages to avoid them.
I agree.
 

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SC said Chapter 3’s ending will be a cliffhanger. As someone mentioned before, it will probably be a situation where Vivian must choose between Christian and Hutch.


In my opinion, she will choose Christian 99%. That would suit her character’s role in the story. She’s supposed to be a plain, simple woman craving sex, manipulative, and selfish, and SC has portrayed her that way very well.


Like I said, Vivian isn’t a particularly interesting character in terms of personality. Don’t get me wrong I do want her to turn to the bright side.


But if Chapter 3 will have a darker ending, then Vivian choosing Christian would be too easy to predict.


I think if the end of Chapter 3 puts Vivian in a situation where she must choose — and she truly chooses Hutch — it would be the peak if, in that moment, Hutch doesn’t choose Vivian back. That could break what little good remains in her, and she would fully turn to the dark side of the Force…:sneaky:


You don’t know the power of the dark side.
 

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But in that situation you can only take what Christian says at face value. Deception and manipulation is Christian weapon.
Your take on Christian telling Vivian he did not plan to fire Hutch is similar to mine. I think he did intend to fire Hutch, but he told Vivian he wasn't going to fire him in order to make her feel even more guilty. He succeeded in doing this as was shown by her reaction.

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This Is my interpretation ... So we Will see. And i am not fabricating ... It Is written in the game

Cheers and take care of yourself
Okay, fine, if you won't (can't) back-up what you're saying, I'll back-up what I'm saying then.

You said:
If you remember, Christian will tell Vivian the real reason... Hutch was asking for too much commission because he had to pay his mortgage and had brought in two important clients...
Christian said:
Code:
 Christian: “I've got something for you."
 Vivian: “What's this?"
 Christian: “Your commission."
 Vivian: “What?"
 Christian: “Normally these wouldn't get distributed this quickly, but I wanted you to see yours right away."
 Vivian: “WOW! Is this what Hutch makes?"
 Christian: “No... his is bigger, a lot bigger. But he's paid in installments over the life of the contract."
 Christian: “Yours is just a one time... consulting fee."
 Christian: “Not bad huh?"
 Vivian: “You have no idea how many days I have to teach up to make this much money!"
 Vivian: “HEY!"
 Vivian: “Am I getting this because of..."
 Christian: “You're getting it because of the information you gave me at dinner."
 Christian: “I hired you to help me research our clients..."
 Christian: “... and it paid off immensely."
 Christian: “It really was invaluable to our success."
 Christian: “What happened in his hotel room, that was just a... signing bonus. For both of you."
 Vivian: “That was not a bonus! And we are never to speak of him again!"
Nope, nothing in there about Hutch asking for too much commission, that's just something you fabricated.

You said:
some day before the boss warned him that he was asking too much money commissions and that the GSA was after Hutch's clients!
Christian said:
Code:
    Christian “Just got off the phone with the Jensen representative. You lost the account."
    Hutch “Oh... well, sir... I don't know if it's..."
    Christian “The Berger account as well."
    Hutch “Berger?"
    Hutch “But I just talked to them a couple days ago."
    Christian “And they called this morning to say they are going with GSA Group."
    Hutch “GSA? Oh, shit..."
    Christian “Oh shit, indeed."
    Christian “I warned you they were expanding by stealing other people's clients. I warned you to shore up your relationships."
    Hutch “I know, sir. I did..."
    Hutch “I thought I had..."
    Christian “~ Sigh ~ Just..."
    Christian “... head on home for the day."
    Christian “We'll meet in the morning to discuss... your future.
Nothing in there about Hutch asking for too much commission either, just something else you fabricated.

And you also said (but failed to comment on when asked):
he's been working for Christian for six years and has never taken a day off or come home for lunch.
I can't provide you the absence of this information without just pasting the entire script of Ch1 and Ch2. It's just something else you fabricated.
 
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