How is this so hard to understand? Hutch was a shit sales man, he lost two important clients because he was shit. He then had fears he was going to be fired (he wasn't) Vivian, without Hutchs knowledge, then went to be go for his job - this showed Christian a few things, how weak Hutch is and how beautiful Vivian is Christian then sees an opportunity to get her.
It's confirmed in chapter 2 that hutch was never going to be fired, just reasigned. Nothing Christian says in chapter1 can be taken as gospel as he confirms and is called out by Vivian about stretching the truth and implying things...
It's not some overly complicated plot and it's all there in the text to work out. You don't need any interpretation
On a different note, I know a lot of posters here think Vivian's model is hot, and I agree, but I still think Addison's model is hot too, especially with the black lipstick and black makeup.
Thanks for coding for me the code script of the dialogues because my interpretation or "fabrication" (you are free to call as you want) of the story related to the My interpretation (or fabrication call it as you like) of the plot of the story is linked to the fact that on the first day of chapter 1, Hutch arrives home completely convinced that he will be fired (as are all his colleagues).
You also posted more lines than necessary...
Let me explain what my interpretations of the plot are based on: I read the story trying to connect the missing dots, as you do when you read a detective novel to try to find out who the murderer is without waiting for the ending.
So you will never find my interpretation written in the plot word for word, otherwise it would not be my interpretation...
It would be a copy and paste of what is already written in the story...
I hope you haven't fallen asleep yet
--- I know I have a twisted mind when I try to connect two seemingly unrelated points in a plot with my logic... In fact, many of my friends don't want to go to the movies with me because they say, “I'm not going with you because you always know how the story ends.”
but in this plot there are 3 main characters
and they are connected by an equilateral triangle.
Let me explain (again sorry):
at the beginning, Hutch is in the center and Vivian doesn't know her husband's boss, just as the boss doesn't know Vivian... so this is not yet a triangle.
From the moment Vivian goes to meet the boss Christian without her husband's knowledge, it becomes an equidistant triangle. Because before, Chris didn't know Vivian and Vivian didn't know the exact details of her husband's work.
Hutch >> Vivian >>/ Christian >> Hutch >> /Christian >> Vivian, (and viceversa)
each of the three characters has secrets from one of the other two. I also believe that Christian has a lot of respect for Hutch's work, but after he lost two important clients in one day despite being warned, his dismissal was a foregone conclusion, also as an example to other employees.
Everything changes the day Vivian decides to help her husband because she wants to help him avoid the dismissal that Hutch seems certain of when he comes home earlier than usual.
Hutch never told his boss about Vivian... Vivian doesn't know everything about Hutch and his colleagues... the boss doesn't even know that Hutch is married...
Everything changes the day Vivian decides to help her husband because she wants to help him avoid the dismissal that Hutch seems certain of when he comes home earlier than usual.
I believe that all three protagonists have skeletons in their closets... and we will surely find out in the future what Hutch is hiding...
Personally, I am convinced that Vivian is hiding a past that is not exactly that of a virgin... Discovering Hutch's secret is my priority at the moment.
I hope I have satisfied your futile efforts to provoke me into over-the-top reactions... as I said, I don't mind talking to those who disagree with me, but I'm not doing it to convince you... after all, you never give interpretations related to the plot... you often write what you would like to see in the game... but you never claim to understand the motivations that lead the protagonists to behave and accept situations such as extramarital sex, which you would never accept even if it meant losing everything you have built with your wife in 22 years of marriage.
Not everyone is willing to lose what they have built in life... sex is only a very small part of a couple's life. You can love without having sex... but if you prevent the person you love from having the sex she for sure enjoy... then your love for her is not true love. (it just becomes a selfish, one-sided feeling)
1: Treat your husband like a fool, an idiot who isn't capable of looking after his own affairs:
why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince myself I'm still right, because my illogical woke arsed, feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
2: Drop you knickers for your husbands boss, not to save his job but because you see the man in him that you can't manipulate your husband into being: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince myself I'm still right, because my illogical woke arse feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
3: humiliate you husband very publicity, in front of his work colleagues, in his office by having sex with the boss in the toilets: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong in what what I do and say, and I know I'm wrong, ill convince myself that I'm still right, because my woke arse feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
4: flirt with black auto macanic, a student under your care, and your sons friends, let them know you're willing to shag them, if and when it benefits you: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
5: Cheat repeatedly and very openly infront of the whole neighbourhood: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
6: allow yourself to pickuped for a threesome and had your anal virginity (that you deliberately denied to you husband for 20 years) to a stranger in order to loosen your stink up for his boss: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
7: walk head first and very willingly into a grape scenario, with you husbands bosses/lovers new client, afterwards take it out on your husband, blame him, drive straight to his bosses house, have sex with him, tell him that you loved being graped and admit the you now belong to him and your going home to break that news to your husband: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
3: humiliate you husband very publicity, in front of his work colleagues, in his office by having sex with the boss in the toilets: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong in what what I do and say, and I know I'm wrong, ill convince myself that I'm still right, because my woke arse feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
There are many inaccuracies in your points, but I will only answer this one.
Hutch is a loser with a good brain for numbers, basically he is a nerd
Hutch is humiliated by everyone, not just his wife (who at least does it to save him and his job).
Hutch's expression is that of a weak man... Strong women are attracted to this type of man because it awakens their desire to be nurses...
In fact, coincidentally, even Addison, who is a strong woman, is attracted to him...
But the office employees have always humiliated Hutch... just because he was about to be fired... They don't know Hutch's wife... and they certainly didn't know her on the day he was humiliated.
Hutch had to endure the humiliation of seeing his wife having sex with his boss, but none of the employees saw that scene... and Vivian didn't know it was her husband in the bathroom toilet... she only found out later... it seems to me that the only one who should feel humiliated here is you.
As you can see, Addison is perhaps stronger than Vivian and, like Vivian, she is in love with the loser husband... but no one in the office knows that Vivian is Hutch's wife. (Although Addison suspects that she is.)
Thanks for coding for me the code script of the dialogues because my interpretation or "fabrication" (you are free to call as you want) of the story related to the My interpretation (or fabrication call it as you like) of the plot of the story is linked to the fact that on the first day of chapter 1, Hutch arrives home completely convinced that he will be fired (as are all his colleagues).
You also posted more lines than necessary...
Let me explain what my interpretations of the plot are based on: I read the story trying to connect the missing dots, as you do when you read a detective novel to try to find out who the murderer is without waiting for the ending.
So you will never find my interpretation written in the plot word for word, otherwise it would not be my interpretation...
It would be a copy and paste of what is already written in the story...
I hope you haven't fallen asleep yet
--- I know I have a twisted mind when I try to connect two seemingly unrelated points in a plot with my logic... In fact, many of my friends don't want to go to the movies with me because they say, “I'm not going with you because you always know how the story ends.”
but in this plot there are 3 main characters
and they are connected by an equilateral triangle.
Let me explain (again sorry):
at the beginning, Hutch is in the center and Vivian doesn't know her husband's boss, just as the boss doesn't know Vivian... so this is not yet a triangle.
From the moment Vivian goes to meet the boss Christian without her husband's knowledge, it becomes an equidistant triangle. Because before, Chris didn't know Vivian and Vivian didn't know the exact details of her husband's work.
Hutch >> Vivian >>/ Christian >> Hutch >> /Christian >> Vivian, (and viceversa)
each of the three characters has secrets from one of the other two. I also believe that Christian has a lot of respect for Hutch's work, but after he lost two important clients in one day despite being warned, his dismissal was a foregone conclusion, also as an example to other employees.
Everything changes the day Vivian decides to help her husband because she wants to help him avoid the dismissal that Hutch seems certain of when he comes home earlier than usual.
Hutch never told his boss about Vivian... Vivian doesn't know everything about Hutch and his colleagues... the boss doesn't even know that Hutch is married...
Everything changes the day Vivian decides to help her husband because she wants to help him avoid the dismissal that Hutch seems certain of when he comes home earlier than usual.
I believe that all three protagonists have skeletons in their closets... and we will surely find out in the future what Hutch is hiding...
Personally, I am convinced that Vivian is hiding a past that is not exactly that of a virgin... Discovering Hutch's secret is my priority at the moment.
I hope I have satisfied your futile efforts to provoke me into over-the-top reactions... as I said, I don't mind talking to those who disagree with me, but I'm not doing it to convince you... after all, you never give interpretations related to the plot... you often write what you would like to see in the game... but you never claim to understand the motivations that lead the protagonists to behave and accept situations such as extramarital sex, which you would never accept even if it meant losing everything you have built with your wife in 22 years of marriage.
Not everyone is willing to lose what they have built in life... sex is only a very small part of a couple's life. You can love without having sex... but if you prevent the person you love from having the sex she for sure enjoy... then your love for her is not true love. (it just becomes a selfish, one-sided feeling)
Of course Hutch, the actual employee working on the account, will get a bigger commission than Vivian, the consultant with a one-off fee. That doesn't mean that Hutch has been asking for too much commission. This is also a completely different account to the two that Hutch had previously and that GSA took, so the figures are probably very different as well (this one is to the value of $8.5million, and we don't know how big the other two accounts were). So you may be joining dots, but you're doing it with two different pictures.
Everything else you say is just fluff, because it has no relevance whatsoever to what you are trying to prove. The simple fact of the matter is that you stated something as fact that is not backed up by anything in the game. You said that Christian told Hutch one thing, which he didn't, and that he told Vivian that same thing, which he didn't. That's it. That's all there is to it. You can have your own head-canon for the reasons behind what happened (which chances are we will never have answers to because it's not important to the game), but that's all it is, you can't assert it as fact just because it's the only explanation you can think of.
(And I posted the full part of the scene so you could see through the entire scene that what you claimed was said, was in fact not said.)
I've verified that you made things up to suit your narrative, and there's no need for me to repeat it, so I'm done with this.
I understand your point...
But I still think that the connection with the warning he had received from the boss two days before his dismissal... that the boss had given to Hutch was connected to something Hutch didn't do. My guess is that Christian had warned him to lower his commissions to avoid losing clients.
you are saying fluff... in my opinion you have some hate for my interpretation of this story
but i still confirm my opinion that if Hutch hadn't needed that damn money, he wouldn't have been fired... if you think that's irrelevant...
I take note of the fact that you consider my interpretation irrelevant.
I believe the opposite, and we'll see that in the chapter dedicated to Hutch, where we'll finally discover the skeletons he hides in his closet.
We will see in CH6?... or CH3?
So, if my recent posts will not be deleted, we can discuss again about the irrelevancy of what I wrote at that time when V.6 will be released.
I hope the case is closed for now...
Cheers
PS: here SC said that the chapter focused on Hutch will be V.06
Yes, I think some people will jump off the train as the story progresses and the character arcs become set. I wish I could release v0.4 and v0.6 together as I think they balance each other out (vivian vs. hutch). But I won't do that to you guys. I will warn the newer participants here that v0.4 is focused on Vivian and v0.6 is focused on Hutch. Wasn't planned that way, just is.
Chapter 3 and beyond
Yes, a good chunk was already rendered but there is still a lot to do. Yes, this still deals a lot more with Hutch and I'm looking forward to tackling a complicated character, trying to convey the emotions welling within him. There are still some sexy scenes but fewer, making it much easier to render (sex scenes are fundamental to the story but they are not fun to make). It's hard to predict the amount of content that'll actually end up in the chapter but I'm guessing Chapter 3 will be about the same size as Chapter 2. I predict 4 will be a little smaller and 5 will be the shortest concentrating on just the finale. I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story. I think it makes the main story better and I think it's what the real fans want. Plus it simply cuts down on production time. I'm not trimming anything that drives the story, just the extra fluff.
So you changed most of the plan you had in April...
So CH3 will contain a mix of V4 and V.6 that you mentioned here?
Yes, I think some people will jump off the train as the story progresses and the character arcs become set. I wish I could release v0.4 and v0.6 together as I think they balance each other out (vivian vs. hutch). But I won't do that to you guys. I will warn the newer participants here that v0.4 is focused on Vivian and v0.6 is focused on Hutch. Wasn't planned that way, just is.
It's always a shame to cut planned scenes, but I understand that you probably realized that the previous plan would have taken many many years of your time...
I hope you'll collect those cut scenes into a kind of Director's Cut after the main game is completed.
The first update took about 4-5 months. Dev has indicated that he will slow down the pace of future updates.
The next one should be released in December (in about 6 months of development). Chapter 4 and 5 will be smaller that chapter 2 and 3. So yes, we can hope to see the outcome next year!
That's good!
1: Treat your husband like a fool, an idiot who isn't capable of looking after his own affairs:
why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince myself I'm still right, because my illogical woke arsed, feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
2: Drop you knickers for your husbands boss, not to save his job but because you see the man in him that you can't manipulate your husband into being: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince myself I'm still right, because my illogical woke arse feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
3: humiliate you husband very publicity, in front of his work colleagues, in his office by having sex with the boss in the toilets: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong in what what I do and say, and I know I'm wrong, ill convince myself that I'm still right, because my woke arse feminist FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
4: flirt with black auto macanic, a student under your care, and your sons friends, let them know you're willing to shag them, if and when it benefits you: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
5: Cheat repeatedly and very openly infront of the whole neighbourhood: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
6: allow yourself to pickuped for a threesome and had your anal virginity (that you deliberately denied to you husband for 20 years) to a stranger in order to loosen your stink up for his boss: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
7: walk head first and very willingly into a grape scenario, with you husbands bosses/lovers new client, afterwards take it out on your husband, blame him, drive straight to his bosses house, have sex with him, tell him that you loved being graped and admit the you now belong to him and your going home to break that news to your husband: why, did you do that Vivian? I did it because I care about my husband, and I'm a women, and even when I'm wrong and I know I'm wrong in what I do and say I'll convince I'm still right, because my illogical FEELINGS tell me, Lmao
None of this is about feminism, or "woke" ideology or politics — especially since the game wasn't made by a woman or self identified feminist activist. I am sure you'd agree if an actual feminist wrote this game there would likely be no porn in it at all, and it would be a romance novella, 100% consensual and vanilla and boring by your standards.
It's just a game. It's plot is primarily designed to get us scenes and hit some fetishes people wanted to see. They aren't real characters.
None of this is about feminism, or "woke" ideology or politics — especially since the game wasn't made by a woman or self identified feminist activist. I am sure you'd agree if an actual feminist wrote this game there would likely be no porn in it at all, and it would be a romance novella, 100% consensual and vanilla and boring by your standards.
It's just a game. It's plot is primarily designed to get us scenes and hit some fetishes people wanted to see. They aren't real characters.
Your right its just a game, thanks for stating the obvious but you clearly have a misunderstanding about what story telling is about in general.
Stories, weather they come in the form of a book, or a game in this instance, are, to a large extent social commentaries on real life experiences either direct or indirect experiences of the writer themselves or someone that they know. These types of story books or game depictions in this instance are the ones that resonate the most with their fans, as within the book or game there are characters and their story arch's that hit home with a lot of the audience.
"My Husbands Boss" is clearly a social commentary on the dire state of relationships today due to the toxic movement of 3rd and 4th wave feminism and the tragic social impact that this branch of feminism has inflicted upon society in general throughout the western world.
Vivian represents that branch of 3rd and 4th wave feminism, shes entitled, deluded narcissist, she's an outright hypocrite, that lives a life of double standards, one rule for her and another for her partner Hutch.shes fucks all around her and like a feminist nutter cries those crocodile tears and plays the victim when called out for her behaviour.
Hutch represents the weak woke, lefty liberalised pussifcied men of the west into weak agreeable soyboys with no back bone that just go along with double standards and hypocrisy of todays women.
Christian is the exception, the emgence of that rare breed of old fashioned men that stand their ground with women and refuse to bend the knee to their bullshit, the "fuck what women, think or want" Alpha dogs of old, all be it, a possible sociopath or psychopath that Christian is, its that persona that gives him the edge, and women and yes even the hypocritical and delusional feminist women secretly drool over and lust after the Christians of this world, for they cannot be controlled, dictated too or manipulate and Vivian ( the feminist) is addict to that unshakable dominance that Christian exudes.
Without a doubt, the evidence from the story clearly supports this. Addision was very hostile to Vivian before she even said a single word. I looked into the scene when Vivian and Addison meet in the office closely in the past and it has a couple of interesting clues.
Also, Addison has access to Hutch's paperwork. Married workers typically need to provide their marriage certificate to their workplace to facilitate appropriate IRS W4 tax withholding. It would be trivial for Addison to find out Vivians name including her maiden name (perhaps the reason for Addison's strong reaction to Vivian identifying herself as Ms. DuBois).
Your right its just a game, thanks for stating the obvious but you clearly have a misunderstanding about what story telling is about in general.
Stories, weather they come in the form of a book, or a game in this instance, are, to a large extent social commentaries on real life experiences either direct or indirect experiences of the writer themselves or someone that they know. These types of story books or game depictions in this instance are the ones that resonate the most with their fans, as within the book or game there are characters and their story arch's that hit home with a lot of the audience.
"My Husbands Boss" is clearly a social commentary on the dire state of relationships today due to the toxic movement of 3rd and 4th wave feminism and the tragic social impact that this branch of feminism has inflicted upon society throughout in general throughout the western world.
Vivian represents that branch of 3rd and 4th wave feminism, shes entitled, deluded narcissist, she's an outright hypocrite, that lives a life of double standards, one rule for her and another for her partner Hutch.shes fucks all around her and like a feminist nutter cries those crocodile tears and plays the victim when called out for her behaviour.
Hutch represents the weak woke, lefty liberalised pussifcied men of the west into weak agreeable soyboys with no back bone that just go along with double standards and hypocrisy of todays women.
Christian is the exception, the emgence of that rare breed of old fashioned men that stand their ground with women and refuse to bend the knee to their bullshit, the "fuck what women, think or want" Alpha dogs of old, all be it, a possible sociopath or psychopath that Christian is, its that persona that gives him the edge, and women and yes even the hypocritical and delusional feminist women secretly drool over and lust after the Christians of this world, for they cannot be controlled, dictated too or manipulate and Vivian ( the feminist) is addict to that unshakable dominance that Christian exudes.
Narcissism has nothing to do with feminism. Are you implying men, particularly those who aren't feminists, can't be narcissists or something?
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be good feminist but have a horrible personality.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be a bad feminist with a good personality.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and not be a feminist at all.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be a good feminist with a good personality.
Weakness and strength are subjective and based on what you value. But in my opinion hutch has the same characteristics as vivian does... they both actually share the same "weakness" personality wise.
Christian is the exception, the emgence of that rare breed of old fashioned men that stand their ground with women and refuse to bend the knee to their bullshit, the "fuck what women, think or want" Alpha dogs of old, all be it, a possible sociopath or psychopath that Christian is, its that persona that gives him the edge, and women and yes even the hypocritical and delusional feminist women secretly drool over and lust after the Christians of this world, for they cannot be controlled, dictated too or manipulate and Vivian ( the feminist) is addict to that unshakable dominance that Christian exudes.
This is a male fantasy, or a myth, you can pick which one. The idea that women aren't attracted to nice guys is socially constructed by men. Our patriarchal society that shaped gender norms, also helped to shape what woman are attracted to. Which means it can be changed if we take on a more healthy view of what being a woman and a man means. But not all women want someone who is overtly strong, and women also value strength differently as well as have different ideas of what strength is. And more and more the toxic masculinity that christian expresses is viewed as weakness and insecurity - not true strength. There are plenty of women who wouldn't be attracted to christian at all. There are also some women who can't be controlled, manipulated or dictated too, and some of them are feminists.
You understand this whole story is a male fantasy, or male interpretation of "feminism" if the writer intentionally wrote vivian as a feminist. But i don't see the writer saying they did that? Did vivian claim that in the story? Either way it's the writers misguided ideas of what feminism is or represents. I think there is a lot of leeway for a porn game creator to be wrong on this.
if a woman has boundary issues and enabling personality, inability to say no, people pleasing, potentially cheating behaviour, this would be enabled by and formed/constructed entirely by patriarchal society and toxic masculinity. it's actually the reverse of feminism that formed vivians character and personality and potentially psychological issues that she would need therapy to address.
Feminism, at its core, challenges the very norms that cause these boundary issues.
It encourages:
Self-definition outside of others’ expectations.
Emotional autonomy and assertiveness.
Rejection of guilt around saying “no.”
Recognition of how patriarchal conditioning shapes women’s self-perception and relationships.
If anything, feminism offers tools for healing from the effects of patriarchal conditioning — including people-pleasing and enabling patterns.
Here is the contrast you tell me which version sounds more like Vivian.
1. Patriarchal society and gender socialization
In most patriarchal societies, women are historically socialized to:
Seek approval and avoid conflict, because assertiveness in women is often punished (labeled “difficult” or “unfeminine”).
Derive self-worth from relationships and being “good,” “nice,” or “supportive.”
Be responsible for others’ emotions — a key element of emotional labor.
This conditioning trains many women to ignore or blur their own boundaries and to equate love or acceptance with self-sacrifice.
Stories, weather they come in the form of a book, or a game in this instance, are, to a large extent social commentaries on real life experiences either direct or indirect experiences of the writer themselves or someone that they know. These types of story books or game depictions in this instance are the ones that resonate the most with their fans, as within the book or game there are characters and their story arch's that hit home with a lot of the audience.
This is true, a good genre for example is horror movies. They can depict and represent the percieved culture and fears of our time. But feelings are not facts, and horror is not reality, and so for you, this porn game is a horror game, because it's based on your imagined and unrealistic fears of feminism that are not based in reality.
Without a doubt, the evidence from the story clearly supports this. Addision was very hostile to Vivian before she even said a single word. I looked into the scene when Vivian and Addison meet in the office closely in the past and it has a couple of interesting clues.
Also, Addison has access to Hutch's paperwork. Married workers typically need to provide their marriage certificate to their workplace to facilitate appropriate IRS W4 tax withholding. It would be trivial for Addison to find out Vivians name including her maiden name (perhaps the reason for Addison's strong reaction to Vivian identifying herself as Ms. DuBois).
Interesting hypothesis. Couldn't also be, such as other speculate, that she's jealous because she's also in love or in a sexual relationship with Christian (the mysterious blonde in bed while he's texting Vivian)?
Christian presents her as her "brother's kid", not his nephew. So, can be a step-nephew, avoiding the taboo topic.
