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Narcissism has nothing to do with feminism. Are you implying men can't be narcissists or something?

- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be good feminist but have a horrible personality.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be a bad feminist with a good personality.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and not be a feminist at all.
- Someone can claim to be a feminist and be a good feminist with a good personality.

Weakness and strength are subjective and based on what you value. But in my opinion hutch has the same characteristics as vivian does... they both actually share the same "weakness".
Narcissism has nothing to do with feminism- LMAO ok, what ever you say.

Theres that word again "subjective", everything to a progressive feminist lefties that cant be explained nor debated, that needs to be dodge like a bullet is categoriesed as "subjective", as in, if what you state dosent resonate with my feelings, then its just plain nonsense, its a divious trick and excuse to tuck away actual data and real life experiences to the back of the cupboard that can explain what's actual going on or what actual happened.

example, The "My Truth" term that lefty liberals love to use, as a moral grandstanding tool of manipulation to try and make out that what "actually happened" is not what really happened ( the leftists) the feminist experience, point-of-view of what they perceive to have actually occurred it is what really matters, their feelings matter more, hence "MY TRUTH" brigade, as if their version of event's are biblical truth. Vivian embodies this delusional mind-set, as she willingly cheats, and humiliates her husband very publicly, then cry foul to hutch that what he sees its what's not really happening, as she rewrites her actions in her head to fit " My Truth", her turth so she can lives with her despicable choices and behaviour, as feminist often do:

" I'm doing this all for you Hutch, I'm make a whore of myself you, for us"

" no bitch, you doing this for yourself and you long-term objectives of securing what's best for you, not me"

Oh yes, men can be narcissists too, as I've already stated, Christian is a possible sociopath or psychopath that falls into the triad of Narcissism, he is no better than Vivian, with them two, like has attracted like, but here's the kicker, women secertly love sociopathic or psychopathic men like Christian, just the way women have secret fantasies about being graped and dominated.

Don't believe me, look into the Ted Bundy case, he was a complete psychopathic killer, but because he was charming, charismatic and most importantly of all, good looking, women flocked to his court cases in their hundreds, thousands wrote letters to him while he was locked away, in some cases sending their underwater as a sign of their love for him, even though he was responsible for the death of God knows how many innocent young girls. You could bet you mortgage that these delusional feminist nutters of that time, the Vivian's thought that they could "change him", Vivian thinks she can change Christian
 
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The reason I also believe that Addison knew, was because of her and Hutchs relationship. There is no way she hadn't asked to see what his wife looked like. He would have been happy to show it because of his love for Vivian. Also if you notice she looks at the ring it could have meant 2 things:
1. She knew what was going to end up happening and was disgusted that she is about to cheat on her husband.
2. She recognized the matching wedding band to Hutchs.
But again just possible wishful thinking.
 

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Played again I am convinced Addison knows who Vivian is. Could be wishful thinking though.
Yep. I came to the same conclusion a few months ago. It's as if Addison somehow knows who Vivian is. But, hey, it's just a theory.

The last thing you mentioned makes sense in terms of a theory I had, which is that Addison already knew Vivian, or at least knew what she was doing, when they first spoke at the reception. That's why she treated her so badly, and that's also why, when Vivian tells her that she "knows where Christian's office is," Addison says something like, "Yeah, sure you do"
 
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My Husbands Boss" is clearly a social commentary on the dire state of relationships today due to the toxic movement of 3rd and 4th wave feminism and the tragic social impact that this branch of feminism has inflicted upon society in general throughout the western world.
It is clearly no such thing. What you are telling us is that you are obsessed with man/woman relationships as influenced by what you think feminism is about. You see the western world as infected with this influence. That must be scary for you.
 

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Without a doubt, the evidence from the story clearly supports this. Addision was very hostile to Vivian before she even said a single word. I looked into the scene when Vivian and Addison meet in the office closely in the past and it has a couple of interesting clues.

Also, Addison has access to Hutch's paperwork. Married workers typically need to provide their marriage certificate to their workplace to facilitate appropriate IRS W4 tax withholding. It would be trivial for Addison to find out Vivians name including her maiden name (perhaps the reason for Addison's strong reaction to Vivian identifying herself as Ms. DuBois).
I don't think Addison knows who Viv is, she just knows what she is. A wife of one of the guys or a wife of someone Christian knows. Christian said that the seduced many married women in the past and Addison was probably there and has seen it first hand. Considering how carring Addison is towards Hutch, if she knew that Vivian was his wife, she would have told him imo.
 
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I don't think Addison knows who Viv is, she just knows what she is. A wife of one of the guys or a wife of someone Christian knows. Christian said that the seduced many married women in the past and Addison was probably there and has seen it first hand. Considering how carring Addison is towards Hutch, if she knew that Vivian was his wife, she would have told him imo.
I agree - I think she would have told Hutch if she knew. Addison clearly knows what Christian is like, and perhaps specifically what his taste in women is like, and that Vivian fits the bill. The exchange when she calls through to Christian shows that it's not the first time she's seen something like this. That "I figured you would" sounds like she's not surprised at all that Christian is happy to meet with Vivian, despite it not being a scheduled appointment, and it sounds like he might have asked "Is she attractive" or something like that, perhaps, resulting in the "Yes, you could say that" before Addison describes Vivian. Finally, she knows it's not the first time Vivian has been there, and the implied tone of the "Of course you do" when Vivian says she knows where Christian's office is suggests that Addison might think something happened in Christian's office on a previous visit.
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 Addison “~ On intercom ~ There is a Ms... Dubois here to see you."
 Addison “~ On intercom ~ No, it's not on your calendar."
 Addison “~ On intercom ~ Yes, you could say that."
 Addison “~ On intercom ~ Forty... Tall... Athletic. Pixie cut with a bad dye job."
 Vivian “HEY!"
 Addison “~ On intercom ~ I figured you would."
 Addison “You can go on back. Do you need me to show you his office?"
 Vivian “I know where it is."
 Addison “Of course you do."
On top of that, Vivian is clearly nervous and the hat and sunglasses still being worn inside is a clear sign that she's trying to hide (and that's before nearly giving her name and then backtracking). Then Addison notices the wedding ring and Vivian, seeing this, tries to hide it. So Addison clearly knows that Vivian is someone's wife and more than likely suspects Christian is having an affair with her (or at least just fucking her), but I don't think she'd have any indication whose wife she is.
 

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I agree - I think she would have told Hutch if she knew. Addison clearly knows what Christian is like, and perhaps specifically what his taste in women is like, and that Vivian fits the bill. The exchange when she calls through to Christian shows that it's not the first time she's seen something like this. That "I figured you would" sounds like she's not surprised at all that Christian is happy to meet with Vivian, despite it not being a scheduled appointment, and it sounds like he might have asked "Is she attractive" or something like that, perhaps, resulting in the "Yes, you could say that" before Addison describes Vivian. Finally, she knows it's not the first time Vivian has been there, and the implied tone of the "Of course you do" when Vivian says she knows where Christian's office is suggests that Addison might think something happened in Christian's office on a previous visit.
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 Addison “~ On intercom ~ There is a Ms... Dubois here to see you."
Addison “~ On intercom ~ No, it's not on your calendar."
Addison “~ On intercom ~ Yes, you could say that."
Addison “~ On intercom ~ Forty... Tall... Athletic. Pixie cut with a bad dye job."
Vivian “HEY!"
Addison “~ On intercom ~ I figured you would."
Addison “You can go on back. Do you need me to show you his office?"
Vivian “I know where it is."
Addison “Of course you do."
On top of that, Vivian is clearly nervous and the hat and sunglasses still being worn inside is a clear sign that she's trying to hide (and that's before nearly giving her name and then backtracking). Then Addison notices the wedding ring and Vivian, seeing this, tries to hide it. So Addison clearly knows that Vivian is someone's wife and more than likely suspects Christian is having an affair with her (or at least just fucking her), but I don't think she'd have any indication whose wife she is.
I agree with your take, and this makes me like Addison all the more. The little we have seen of her makes her seem like a good woman. Women like Vivian, who cheat on their husbands with her uncle, probably disgust her. That is clearly the impression the author gave us in that scene between the two. Addison may not be as hard on Christian for his disgusting behavior because he is her uncle. People tend to be more forgiving of close relatives than they are with others. I don't think it was her in Christian's bed. He may just have a thing for blondes, even bleached blondes like Vivian. I do hope we get more of Addison in the story.
 
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I don't think Addison knows who Viv is, she just knows what she is. A wife of one of the guys or a wife of someone Christian knows. Christian said that the seduced many married women in the past and Addison was probably there and has seen it first hand. Considering how carring Addison is towards Hutch, if she knew that Vivian was his wife, she would have told him imo.
Assuming you are right and Addiosn does not know who Vivian is, why would she be so hostile to Vivian even before Vivian says who she is and why she is visiting the office?

1. When Vivan comes into the office, Addison ignores her, avoiding eye contact and keeps looking at her screen.
2. Vivian waits a moment.
3. Addison keeps ignoring her.
4. Vivian clears her throat.
5. Addison looks up, clearly annoyed, frowning at Vivian.
6. Addison asks, exasperated, "May I help you?" while avoiding eye contact!

All of this happens BEFORE Vivian speaks. Think about it, Addison is working at the front desk, it is her duty to greet potential business clients in a professional manner. Vivian has done nothing so far to cause such scorn from Addison unless she knew who she is.
 
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Assuming you are right and Addiosn does not know who Vivian is, why would she be so hostile to Vivian even before Vivian says who she is and why she is visiting the office?

1. When Vivan comes into the office, Addison ignores her, avoiding eye contact and keeps looking at her screen.
2. Vivian waits a moment.
3. Addison keeps ignoring her.
4. Vivian clears her throat.
5. Addison looks up, clearly annoyed, frowning
6. Addison asks, exasperated, "May I help you?" while avoiding eye contact!

All of this happens BEFORE Vivian speaks. Think about it, Addison is working at the front desk, it is her duty to greet potential business clients in a professional manner. Vivian has done nothing so far to cause such scorn from Addison unless she knew who she is.
Because as other already said and what you're pointing out: she's at the reception, she knows her uncle, she's immediately aware what's the point of Vivian's visit, clearly not related to business. And then you could think also that she sees her ring, which increases her anger, because not only she's coming to get fucked, but cheating on her husband (either she knows is Hutch or not).
 

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It is a mystery . As is mentioned , as receptionist she is the "GREET" anyone entering the door. Welcome to the company.. How may I help you.. She ( Addison ) just keeps her head down and does not acknowledge Vivan at all . Then, is confrontive when she finally does.
 

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Assuming you are right and Addiosn does not know who Vivian is, why would she be so hostile to Vivian even before Vivian says who she is and why she is visiting the office?

1. When Vivan comes into the office, Addison ignores her, avoiding eye contact and keeps looking at her screen.
2. Vivian waits a moment.
3. Addison keeps ignoring her.
4. Vivian clears her throat.
5. Addison looks up, clearly annoyed, frowning at Vivian.
6. Addison asks, exasperated, "May I help you?" while avoiding eye contact!

All of this happens BEFORE Vivian speaks. Think about it, Addison is working at the front desk, it is her duty to greet potential business clients in a professional manner. Vivian has done nothing so far to cause such scorn from Addison unless she knew who she is.
My guess is just that she was in the middle of something (she's more than just a receptionist, as seen in other scenes) and Vivian interrupted her. I would guess she might have been in a bad mood about something though, because there's no reason someone on the front desk of a company should have that attitude to a visitor without reason and Vivian hadn't had the time to create that reason, as you say. Perhaps something wasn't going right with whatever she was working on and she was irritated by the interruption (notwithstanding that you have to expect these interruptions if you are working the front desk and have to be able to switch off all else and go into greeting mode).

On the flip side of your point though, Vivian hadn't had the time to create that reason for Addison to be hostile - she would have to look up for a brief second, and in that second recognise someone from a distance who she could at most have seen only in photographs, when she is effectively wearing a (rubbish) disguise of big hat and big sunglasses... Addison was already ignoring Vivian before Vivian cleared her throat, I get the impression Addison didn't know who it was standing in front of her as she hadn't really looked up to find out. If you are correct and Addison knows who Vivian is and so was being rude to her in solidarity to Hutch, I would have imagined she would have been staring daggers at Vivian and making her feel appropriately uncomfortable as she walked towards the front desk, rather than not even looking up and just ignoring her.
 

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Assuming you are right and Addiosn does not know who Vivian is, why would she be so hostile to Vivian even before Vivian says who she is and why she is visiting the office?

1. When Vivan comes into the office, Addison ignores her, avoiding eye contact and keeps looking at her screen.
2. Vivian waits a moment.
3. Addison keeps ignoring her.
4. Vivian clears her throat.
5. Addison looks up, clearly annoyed, frowning at Vivian.
6. Addison asks, exasperated, "May I help you?" while avoiding eye contact!

All of this happens BEFORE Vivian speaks. Think about it, Addison is working at the front desk, it is her duty to greet potential business clients in a professional manner. Vivian has done nothing so far to cause such scorn from Addison unless she knew who she is.
As Neronwtf has already said. Addison has likely seen other wives come and go in the same manner as Vivian. She instantly clocks her as her uncles new conquest. Clearly she doesn't approve of what he's doing. If she knew who Vivian was, she would have told Hutch. At least that's the impression I and some others have. I base this on the fact that she sticks up for him in the office. Other coworkers, well one, just joke and put him down.
 

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My guess is just that she was in the middle of something (she's more than just a receptionist, as seen in other scenes) and Vivian interrupted her. I would guess she might have been in a bad mood about something though, because there's no reason someone on the front desk of a company should have that attitude to a visitor without reason and Vivian hadn't had the time to create that reason, as you say. Perhaps something wasn't going right with whatever she was working on and she was irritated by the interruption (notwithstanding that you have to expect these interruptions if you are working the front desk and have to be able to switch off all else and go into greeting mode).

On the flip side of your point though, Vivian hadn't had the time to create that reason for Addison to be hostile - she would have to look up for a brief second, and in that second recognise someone from a distance who she could at most have seen only in photographs, when she is effectively wearing a (rubbish) disguise of big hat and big sunglasses... Addison was already ignoring Vivian before Vivian cleared her throat, I get the impression Addison didn't know who it was standing in front of her as she hadn't really looked up to find out. If you are correct and Addison knows who Vivian is and so was being rude to her in solidarity to Hutch, I would have imagined she would have been staring daggers at Vivian and making her feel appropriately uncomfortable as she walked towards the front desk, rather than not even looking up and just ignoring her.
As much as I like Addison, I have to agree with you about how she greeted Vivian. She wasn't being professional in that moment. I probably did not recognize it at first because of my dislike for Vivian. I still enjoy the contempt, condescension, and disgust she shows toward her. It is clear she very quickly sized Vivian up based upon her appearance and attempts at deception. Addison probably said to herself, "Oh, another married whore my uncle is fucking."
 

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On the flip side of your point though, Vivian hadn't had the time to create that reason for Addison to be hostile - she would have to look up for a brief second, and in that second recognise someone from a distance who she could at most have seen only in photographs, when she is effectively wearing a (rubbish) disguise of big hat and big sunglasses... Addison was already ignoring Vivian before Vivian cleared her throat, I get the impression Addison didn't know who it was standing in front of her as she hadn't really looked up to find out. If you are correct and Addison knows who Vivian is and so was being rude to her in solidarity to Hutch, I would have imagined she would have been staring daggers at Vivian and making her feel appropriately uncomfortable as she walked towards the front desk, rather than not even looking up and just ignoring her.
You are right that for the theory of Addison being so unfriendly on purpose, she would have to recognize Vivian from a distance, while not looking at her (or at least pretending to). However, I consider this a valid possibility. If Addison is into Hutch, she would have access to his W4 from (IRS tax withholding) and the accompanying marriage certificate, which an employer has to keep on file in order to adjust an employee’s paycheck appropriately. A marriage certificate would give Addison Vivian’s maiden name, too. Is it possible that Addison has looked up the wife of her office crush on social media? Of course the last point is very speculative. But consider how Addison crosses her arms, and, with a scowling expression, asks almost mockingly if Dubois is indeed Vivian’s last name. To me this seems like a deliberate choice.

Also consider how she goes out of her way to hurt Vivian verbally. She describes her as old, with a pixie haircut and a bad dye job, over intercom! If she was just annoyed that Christian brings his conquests to the office, that seems like an unusual amount of venom and hostility (in that case I would have expected her to be flippant at worst, not so intentionally hurtful). Vivian is visibly upset about it when meeting Christian in his office.

Of course I don’t know for sure. But taking everything together, my interpretation of that scene is that Addison acted deliberately, with hostile intent against Vivian.
 

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You are right that for the theory of Addison being so unfriendly on purpose, she would have to recognize Vivian from a distance, while not looking at her (or at least pretending to). However, I consider this a valid possibility. If Addison is into Hutch, she would have access to his W4 from (IRS tax withholding) and the accompanying marriage certificate, which an employer has to keep on file in order to adjust an employee’s paycheck appropriately. A marriage certificate would give Addison Vivian’s maiden name, too. Is it possible that Addison has looked up the wife of her office crush on social media? Of course the last point is very speculative. But consider how Addison crosses her arms, and, with a scowling expression, asks almost mockingly if Dubois is indeed Vivian’s last name. To me this seems like a deliberate choice.

Also consider how she goes out of her way to hurt Vivian verbally. She describes her as old, with a pixie haircut and a bad dye job, over intercom! If she was just annoyed that Christian brings his conquests to the office, that seems like an unusual amount of venom and hostility (in that case I would have expected her to be flippant at worst, not so intentionally hurtful). Vivian is visibly upset about it when meeting Christian in his office.

Of course I don’t know for sure. But taking everything together, my interpretation of that scene is that Addison acted deliberately, with hostile intent against Vivian.
Agreed on the hostility, but I'm just not sure if it would be because Vivian is Hutch's wife, as opposed to just being one of her uncle's conquests.

I'm not sure about Addison's access to Hutch's personnel files because we don't know her full role and responsibilities in the office (and also because we have no such requirement in the UK for an employer to see a marriage certificate - unless it's for a name change, for instance - I personally can't comment on how it might be handled in a US office).
 

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About Addison's attitude. I find it hard to believe that a receptionist would act that way for any reason towards anybody approaching her desk.

If there is an answer, it would probably be in Boss's comment about how she is very sweet when you get to know her. So, alright Boss, why is she your receptionist? Does your brother hold that much sway over you?
 
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