VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [v0.2] [SC Stories]

[JoeBlogs]

I'd like to put forward a fanfic future event, just for the fun of it...
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[mrf293412]

I'd like to put forward a fanfic future event, just for the fun of it...
Have a read if you are in the mood.

Yes! She needs to see what it feels like, cause with her reaction in the last discussion when she tears up after giving him permission to even things out she wouldnt like it. It could be where the jealousy comes in cause that is not coming from Hutch, he is not jealous... simply broken.

It would be interesting to see how quickly she bends over for the boss again, knowing now that Hutch was distancing himself from her because he knew all along, while she continued to lie to his face about it. Will she even resist or just accept it? Will the boss need to keep threatening his job each time? Even in the bathroom he has to use that again so that she gives in.

I still believe the other characters are there to show that she wont just give in to anyone, she is doing this for a reason, how far she is willing to go remains to be seen.

 

[Sparta158]

I had an idea this morning for a twist in the plot that would put a lot of things in this story in a different context. Up till now I was thinking that the reason Vivian fucked Christian was so that Hutch could keep his job. This is one reason why I found Vivian so unlikable. That is a very stupid reason to betray your husband of 22 years. This new theory not only puts Vivian's actions in a new light, but Christian is also slightly less vicious and sadistic (to be clear, he is still a scumbag). It also makes Hutch a little less sympathetic. The author said the backyard scene is key, and I got the impression there will be unexpected twists.

Imagine the scene in Christian's back yard where he first fucks Vivian. Just before he fucks her, he tells Vivian that Hutch losing the 2 clients was not the real reason he was going to fire Hutch. The real reason he was going to fire Hutch was that Hutch was embezzling money. He tells Vivian, that he used Hutch's loss of 2 clients as an excuse to fire Hutch without revealing the theft. Another possibility could be that he tells Vivian that Hutch's theft is related to why the company lost 2 clients. After this, when Christian saw how pretty Vivian was, he decided to take advantage of the situation.

There are several problems with the above theory, but I will try to address some of them. This is only a theory, and I could be 100% wrong. We will find out in the upcoming updates.

Problem #1, if this was the case, why didn't Christian have Hutch prosecuted, or at least confront him about the theft.

1. Hutch may have mentioned that he had a son in college, and may have given signs the family was struggling financially.
2. Despite Christian being a terrible person, Christian might not be sadistic enough to want to see Hutch go to prison. Maybe there is a shred of humanity in Christian.
3. The amount of money being stolen might be a lot for Hutch and Vivian, but be trivial for a businessman like Christian.
4. If he thought Hutch was stealing to take care of his family, he may have said to himself, "Sometimes people do the wrong thing for the right reasons... out of love." This puts the scene below in new context. If the theory is correct, and it may not be, Christian could also be referring here to Hutch's theft, not just Vivian fucking Christian. I don't think Hutch is aware of the dual reference.

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If Hutch was stealing money, this could be a reference to that along with being a reference to Hutch letting Christian keep fucking Vivian. Again, if this is true, I don't think Hutch knows it is a dual reference.

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Problem #2, why is Vivian not outraged at Hutch, if he stole money?

1. If Vivian had been pressuring Hutch about money, she might blame herself for Hutch stealing.
2. Vivian might interpret Hutch's stealing as an act of love towards her and their son Sawyer.
3. Given their relationship, if Hutch wanted Sawyer to go to an affordable college, but Vivian wanted him to go to an expensive college, Vivian would get her way.
4. Hutch buying Vivian the expensive car might be an example of him trying to please her with expensive gifts.
5. If the above things are true, that would explain why Vivian is so emotional. It would even explain why she refers to Hutch as, "her poor sweet prince."

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Vivian clearly gets her way in the house. It possible the family's financial problems are the result of Hutch giving Vivian what she wants, or what he thinks she wants.

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It is possible that what Hutch says in the screenshot below is foreshadowing them getting concrete evidence against Hutch.

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Hutch is good with numbers. He might have thought that he was clever enough to syphon off a little bit of money here and there, but never get caught. I could see Christian telling Vivian this right before he fucked her. In this situation, Vivian could have agreed to fuck Christian to avoid Christian going to the authorities, or as payment since Christian did not go to the authorities. If this theory is correct, I could see Christian mentioning that the IT people found further evidence of Hutch embezzling on his computer or in his files.

If Vivian decided to have sex with Christian the first time beyond saving Hutch's his job, and her obvious attraction to Christian, what the reason is hasn't been made clear yet, but this is my attempt to understand what the reason might be. She is obviously still a cheater, and she loves male attention, but if there was something drastic that pushed her over the edge at Christian's house, I think something like this could be it.

Very interesting theory that sounds conclusive. If this is true then hutch is to blame for almost everything and there is little chance of him getting out of there.
My question where I have a lot of question marks is where was hutch when vivian was waiting for him at home? I think he has another secret that got him into this situation.
This story is full of ambiguity.
That's both good and bad. Most people have a weak ambiguity tolerance. We have difficulty dealing with and accepting uncertainties, contradictory courses of action and complexity in a situation. Such situations cause people to feel anxious and uncomfortable.
But that's why the story so far is so good and special.

 

[mrf293412]

My question where I have a lot of question marks is where was hutch when vivian was waiting for him at home? I think he has another secret that got him into this situation.

He knew she was constantly lying to him about what happened that night, she keeps trying to act like everything is normal and you can see in the morning when he doesnt want to get out of bed he has had enough. So either he just needed to get out of there so he could think, or he was out planning something.

Hutch is not allowing this because he likes it, or wants to, he is giving her what she wants. There would be no doubt that she does after having to listen to the entire thing (with conversations) in the bathroom. Hutch is blindly hoping that his boss will get over his new toy and she can return to him.

He also knows that if he leaves his wife the game is over and she will also get dropped as it wont be as fun anymore without ruining someone elses life. Otherwise why would the boss tell him to go home to her, or talk him into staying together with the cheating bitch.

 

[xert13]

Thank you for the thorough explanation, I understood that it is not rape. But in essence, it does not change what I meant - it is violence, spiritual violence. It is both sexual harassment and blackmail combined. And in this sense, the Boss, if not physically, then spiritually raped Vivian. But she chose it herself. So, is Vivian the victim? If so, why didn't she go home right away, and "in a state of deep psychological trauma" continued to flirt with the Boss and...? Damn, I got confused. Hehe, fun game.

Yeah, that’s what makes it so good. Humans are very complex, often conflicted beings. We have the capacity to be simultaneously revolted, but intrigued at the same time. I believe we are the only mammal that actually runs TOWARDS danger. Christian is a walking danger. Vivian is both repelled and attracted to him. Again, was she even “spiritually” raped? Did Christian sense something within her, something suppressed that ached to be released? It certainly seems so. I disagree with those who easily define her as a “slut” or “nympho.” Methinks that is to simplistic. There are more complex emotions at play here. That’s what makes this story so good, yet difficult to process at times.

 

[Zick_Zack]

I'd like to put forward a fanfic future event, just for the fun of it...
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Spoiler: A future dinner function event

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I loved it! It would be nice to see Vivian's reaction to learning that Hutch returned the favor, and all the consequences that would have on both her attitude and her marriage in general.

Also, Addison is willing to do anything for him...

 

[Hattyrulz]

I had an idea this morning for a twist in the plot that would put a lot of things in this story in a different context. Up till now I was thinking that the reason Vivian fucked Christian was so that Hutch could keep his job. This is one reason why I found Vivian so unlikable. That is a very stupid reason to betray your husband of 22 years. This new theory not only puts Vivian's actions in a new light, but Christian is also slightly less vicious and sadistic (to be clear, he is still a scumbag). It also makes Hutch a little less sympathetic. The author said the backyard scene is key, and I got the impression there will be unexpected twists.

Imagine the scene in Christian's back yard where he first fucks Vivian. Just before he fucks her, he tells Vivian that Hutch losing the 2 clients was not the real reason he was going to fire Hutch. The real reason he was going to fire Hutch was that Hutch was embezzling money. He tells Vivian, that he used Hutch's loss of 2 clients as an excuse to fire Hutch without revealing the theft. Another possibility could be that he tells Vivian that Hutch's theft is related to why the company lost 2 clients. After this, when Christian saw how pretty Vivian was, he decided to take advantage of the situation.

There are several problems with the above theory, but I will try to address some of them. This is only a theory, and I could be 100% wrong. We will find out in the upcoming updates.

Problem #1, if this was the case, why didn't Christian have Hutch prosecuted, or at least confront him about the theft.

1. Hutch may have mentioned that he had a son in college, and may have given signs the family was struggling financially.
2. Despite Christian being a terrible person, Christian might not be sadistic enough to want to see Hutch go to prison. Maybe there is a shred of humanity in Christian.
3. The amount of money being stolen might be a lot for Hutch and Vivian, but be trivial for a businessman like Christian.
4. If he thought Hutch was stealing to take care of his family, he may have said to himself, "Sometimes people do the wrong thing for the right reasons... out of love." This puts the scene below in new context. If the theory is correct, and it may not be, Christian could also be referring here to Hutch's theft, not just Vivian fucking Christian. I don't think Hutch is aware of the dual reference.

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If Hutch was stealing money, this could be a reference to that along with being a reference to Hutch letting Christian keep fucking Vivian. Again, if this is true, I don't think Hutch knows it is a dual reference.

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Problem #2, why is Vivian not outraged at Hutch, if he stole money?

1. If Vivian had been pressuring Hutch about money, she might blame herself for Hutch stealing.
2. Vivian might interpret Hutch's stealing as an act of love towards her and their son Sawyer.
3. Given their relationship, if Hutch wanted Sawyer to go to an affordable college, but Vivian wanted him to go to an expensive college, Vivian would get her way.
4. Hutch buying Vivian the expensive car might be an example of him trying to please her with expensive gifts.
5. If the above things are true, that would explain why Vivian is so emotional. It would even explain why she refers to Hutch as, "her poor sweet prince."

View attachment 4656582

Vivian clearly gets her way in the house. It possible the family's financial problems are the result of Hutch giving Vivian what she wants, or what he thinks she wants.

View attachment 4656623
View attachment 4656632
It is possible that what Hutch says in the screenshot below is foreshadowing them getting concrete evidence against Hutch.

View attachment 4656649

Hutch is good with numbers. He might have thought that he was clever enough to syphon off a little bit of money here and there, but never get caught. I could see Christian telling Vivian this right before he fucked her. In this situation, Vivian could have agreed to fuck Christian to avoid Christian going to the authorities, or as payment since Christian did not go to the authorities. If this theory is correct, I could see Christian mentioning that the IT people found further evidence of Hutch embezzling on his computer or in his files.

If Vivian decided to have sex with Christian the first time beyond saving Hutch's his job, and her obvious attraction to Christian, what the reason is hasn't been made clear yet, but this is my attempt to understand what the reason might be. She is obviously still a cheater, and she loves male attention, but if there was something drastic that pushed her over the edge at Christian's house, I think something like this could be it.

there are a few loop holes in this argument that i feel should be addressed.
1. there are too many maybe/might be situations to make this theory. that in itself causes too many divirging story paths.

2. now to address you theory, hutch in the 6 years he worked with christian the office didn't know hutch was married let alone he had a wife, this is made clear by christians dialogue to vivian. as people when socialising usually talk about such stuff and in 6 years there must have been at least a few company gatherings which points to hutch keeping his family life secret from the entire office.

3. embezzling funds as intriguing as it sounds we are still vague on the cause of the loss of the clients. the most logical theory is that christian having fun with the wives of the clients which led to them withdrawing. this can be related to christians dialoge in the kitchen where he tells vivian he has had sex with various married women and then humiliated the husbands(not the exact words as am too lazy to dig up the text).

4. the most crucial part i dunno if anyone understood this, the dev(SC Stories ) always preempts what is going to happen in the story. like leaving breadcrumbs to what may happen in the future. for example the most basic being hutch telling vivian that he doesn't want her to meet the boss and she does it anyway. vivian telling hutch she will always support him but then gives him "the look" when hutch tries to make small talk before the backyard scene. when vivian tells hutch the boss took a lot from her and then at the bathroom she is enjoying what christian is doing to her. these are just a few instance that i can think but if you follow the dialogue there are more such hints for possible future events. which is also a 50-50 (but directly indication to the event) compared to the too many maybe situation to uphold 1 theory which make the embezzling theory susceptible to shaky foundation.

just to make things clear your theory is a possibility too but with too many variables. its like threading 10 needles in one attempt which is a very rare occurrence.

5. the posting of the pics if are posted in the proper story order and sticking to the facts of the story then the last set of images doesn't indicate anything was decided at that point. the shower image is where vivian knows she fucked up. and the conversation between hutch and christian is the author humanizing christian or the boss trying to manipulate a broken man into get his way like hutch repeated states about the boss.

vivian is not outraged because she knows it's her fault. there are multiple factors for this which are shown clearly by SC Stories by way of animations and expression and dialogue. we already have many people agreeing that vivian is the dominant one in their relationship and gets her way at home. she was under the impression she could get her way with the boss as well when she tell christian she was expecting a old man as the boss. vivian becoming submissive to christian's advances are a clear indication of vivian going down the slippery slope. which is one of many reasons she cannot become outraged.

I'd like to put forward a fanfic future event, just for the fun of it...
Have a read if you are in the mood.

Spoiler: A future dinner function event

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nice fanfic might be a possible ending , fingers crossed go team snarky secretary.

It would be interesting to see how quickly she bends over for the boss again, knowing now that Hutch was distancing himself from her because he knew all along, while she continued to lie to his face about it. Will she even resist or just accept it? Will the boss need to keep threatening his job each time? Even in the bathroom he has to use that again so that she gives in.

i posted about the coercion/manipulation of christian and how vivian is easy prey to it before... the kitchen scene at the dinner night christian tells vivian he didn't say anything about hutch's job and that it was all vivians assumptions and then follows it by saying she can stop if she wants to. someone else posted this before in this thread. might be dealbreaker not sure and the bathroom scene also it the same its not outright blackmail just suggestive hints at what might happen in case vivian doesn't comply and manipulating vivian accordingly to get what christian wants which he always gets by how hutch describes it.

in regards to future actions of vivian i stated 2 questions regarding that before similar to what you wrote..how far is vivian willing to go with the open marriage and if or when will she realize she has gone past the point of no return. and if hutch will be able to accept her back after all that she has done.

Yeah, that’s what makes it so good. Humans are very complex, often conflicted beings. We have the capacity to be simultaneously revolted, but intrigued at the same time. I believe we are the only mammal that actually runs TOWARDS danger. Christian is a walking danger. Vivian is both repelled and attracted to him. Again, was she even “spiritually” raped? Did Christian sense something within her, something suppressed that ached to be released? It certainly seems so. I disagree with those who easily define her as a “slut” or “nympho.” Methinks that is to simplistic. There are more complex emotions at play here. That’s what makes this story so good, yet difficult to process at times.

have to agree with some of those statements. don't think everyone defined vivians as a slut or nympho but you have already stated what most think is a possibility which is chrisitan testing vivian and figuring out the couple. yes there are lots of emotions at play layer on top of each other which makes it look complex as we jump between the pov of vivian and hutch which has made most(or just me) of us interested in the future outcomes

 

[DarkArchon]

there are a few loop holes in this argument that i feel should be addressed.
1. there are too many maybe/might be situations to make this theory. that in itself causes too many divirging story paths.

2. now to address you theory, hutch in the 6 years he worked with christian the office didn't know hutch was married let alone he had a wife, this is made clear by christians dialogue to vivian. as people when socialising usually talk about such stuff and in 6 years there must have been at least a few company gatherings which points to hutch keeping his family life secret from the entire office.

3. embezzling funds as intriguing as it sounds we are still vague on the cause of the loss of the clients. the most logical theory is that christian having fun with the wives of the clients which led to them withdrawing. this can be related to christians dialoge in the kitchen where he tells vivian he has had sex with various married women and then humiliated the husbands(not the exact words as am too lazy to dig up the text).

4. the most crucial part i dunno if anyone understood this, the dev(SC Stories ) always preempts what is going to happen in the story. like leaving breadcrumbs to what may happen in the future. for example the most basic being hutch telling vivian that he doesn't want her to meet the boss and she does it anyway. vivian telling hutch she will always support him but then gives him "the look" when hutch tries to make small talk before the backyard scene. when vivian tells hutch the boss took a lot from her and then at the bathroom she is enjoying what christian is doing to her. these are just a few instance that i can think but if you follow the dialogue there are more such hints for possible future events. which is also a 50-50 (but directly indication to the event) compared to the too many maybe situation to uphold 1 theory which make the embezzling theory susceptible to shaky foundation.

just to make things clear your theory is a possibility too but with too many variables. its like threading 10 needles in one attempt which is a very rare occurrence.

5. the posting of the pics if are posted in the proper story order and sticking to the facts of the story then the last set of images doesn't indicate anything was decided at that point. the shower image is where vivian knows she fucked up. and the conversation between hutch and christian is the author humanizing christian or the boss trying to manipulate a broken man into get his way like hutch repeated states about the boss.

vivian is not outraged because she knows it's her fault. there are multiple factors for this which are shown clearly by SC Stories by way of animations and expression and dialogue. we already have many people agreeing that vivian is the dominant one in their relationship and gets her way at home. she was under the impression she could get her way with the boss as well when she tell christian she was expecting a old man as the boss. vivian becoming submissive to christian's advances are a clear indication of vivian going down the slippery slope. which is one of many reasons she cannot become outraged.

nice fanfic might be a possible ending , fingers crossed go team snarky secretary.

i posted about the coercion/manipulation of christian and how vivian is easy prey to it before... the kitchen scene at the dinner night christian tells vivian he didn't say anything about hutch's job and that it was all vivians assumptions and then follows it by saying she can stop if she wants to. someone else posted this before in this thread. might be dealbreaker not sure and the bathroom scene also it the same its not outright blackmail just suggestive hints at what might happen in case vivian doesn't comply and manipulating vivian accordingly to get what christian wants which he always gets by how hutch describes it.

in regards to future actions of vivian i stated 2 questions regarding that before similar to what you wrote..how far is vivian willing to go with the open marriage and if or when will she realize she has gone past the point of no return. and if hutch will be able to accept her back after all that she has done.

have to agree with some of those statements. don't think everyone defined vivians as a slut or nympho but you have already stated what most think is a possibility which is chrisitan testing vivian and figuring out the couple. yes there are lots of emotions at play layer on top of each other which makes it look complex as we jump between the pov of vivian and hutch which has made most(or just me) of us interested in the future outcomes

My theory is just a theory. Since SC Stories indicated that the scene in Christian's backyard is foundational to the story, I was trying to think of a potential scenario where Vivian having sex with Christian so quickly made more sense. Christian did make it clear that Hutch told him he was married, but Christian said he thought Hutch was making it up.



One reason why I came up with this is because I think SC Stories could be planning on surprising us by flipping things on their head. I am in no way saying this definitely what is going on, but sometimes good writers trick the audience by leading them down one path only to flip things on them later. That Christian says he thought maybe Hutch was making it up, does cast doubt on Christian not going after Hutch because he thought Hutch was stealing to benefit his family. Christian does however say, "I thought MAYBE he was making it up." This means he did think it was a possibility. Since SC Stories hinted that the conversation in the backyard leading up to Vivian first fucking Christian is so important, I don't see a how something other than a revelation like this would be giving us more than what we know about why Vivian fucked Christian.

 

[Hattyrulz]

One reason why I came up with this is because I think SC Stories could be planning on surprising us by flipping things on their head. I am in no way saying this definitely what is going on, but sometimes good writers trick the audience by leading them down one path only to flip things on them later.

yeah i see that, as i wrote in my post about SC Stories leaving hints about possible events and your approach(theory) takes the whole scenario and flips it which has been done in novels but i hope it's not such a big twist in the story as it really spoils the ending(for me) that the dev said he has planned for us. i can accepts ocean's eleven or lucky number slevin level of twist ... but i didn't feel the characters turmoil in those movies(they were fun to watch), here SC Stories made me invested in the characters endings which will spoil the buildup. even it's just 20% of the game.
PS: been a while since i read the kn but yeah you are right about hutch telling christian about being married.

 

[JoeBlogs]

Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.

 

[mrf293412]

One reason why I came up with this is because I think SC Stories could be planning on surprising us by flipping things on their head.

Hopefully, I know this game is well above some of the badly written nonsense I have seen on this site, its refreshing to see a story that captures your attention. If SC Stories can keep producing games like this one he should really consider setting up some way for us to support him, very interested to see what he can do in some other genre.

 

[mrf293412]

Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.

Just another reason to want to punch his face in, more so when he gets that smug look on his face when he gets what he wants.

 

[TonyMurray]

A lot of talk about... well, everything, but one thing that specifically comes up a lot is the dev's comments about the backyard scene. So let's revisit them in the dev's own words:

The ending was the 2nd thing to get outlined. The 1st? It was the backyard scene. As controversial as the whole backyard/bedroom part seems to be, it was/is the foundation I build this world on. I wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch, though, hence the teasing.

None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).

Also, none of this actually relates to what was said and what the reasoning was, either. It just says that the scene was the foundation he built the world on, and he wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch. My take on this is that us seeing this all through Hutch's eyes is what builds the type of story we're getting here, with the shock of it, and trying to work out the motivations etc. behind it all. If we'd seen it from Vivian's POV, all of that would be missing, and it would therefore be a quite different story (or at least a quite different feel to the story).

So the "foundation" being discussed here isn't necessarily the ABC of why the accounts were lost, what secrets Christian has somehow uncovered to give him leverage, what Vivian has done in the past to make her susceptible to what happened... it could simply be that it happened, and the story is built on the fact that it happened, not why it happened.

Ultimately, everything we get after that scene/those scenes is the fallout from them, with Hutch knowing, Vivian not initially being aware that he knows (somehow), Christian realising it and playing them both. So the scene just being there is the foundation of the story, regardless of why it happened.

 

[Hattyrulz]

A lot of talk about... well, everything, but one thing that specifically comes up a lot is the dev's comments about the backyard scene. So let's revisit them in the dev's own words:



None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).

Also, none of this actually relates to what was said and what the reasoning was, either. It just says that the scene was the foundation he built the world on, and he wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch. My take on this is that us seeing this all through Hutch's eyes is what builds the type of story we're getting here, with the shock of it, and trying to work out the motivations etc. behind it all. If we'd seen it from Vivian's POV, all of that would be missing, and it would therefore be a quite different story (or at least a quite different feel to the story).

So the "foundation" being discussed here isn't necessarily the ABC of why the accounts were lost, what secrets Christian has somehow uncovered to give him leverage, what Vivian has done in the past to make her susceptible to what happened... it could simply be that it happened, and the story is built on the fact that it happened, not why it happened.

Ultimately, everything we get after that scene/those scenes is the fallout from them, with Hutch knowing, Vivian not initially being aware that he knows (somehow), Christian realising it and playing them both. So the scene just being there is the foundation of the story, regardless of why it happened.

only one view that i want to add to your quote... the backyard scene being the 1st and the end being the 2nd event set in stone... this being a linear kinetic novel there will be a single thread that connects the start to end of the story. i assume everyone is following me here since im trying to be as simple as possible in my explanation. this single thread connecting the 2 events will have to be fleshed out in some manner or the other. be it character progression or more debauchery or both. whichever it may be the theories and reasons (can be said as foundations as well) posted in here are just the hypothetical meat of the story. it's like a jigsaw puzzle with the border done where the borders are the backyard and the ending being completed. the theories whether reasonable or not are just readers relating to how they think the story will connect the 2 events. the events that lead to and after those 2 events are just adding more cause for those events to take place. they just add more meaning and in doing so become valid to the story. that's my view.

Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.

lol finally someone noticed and asked. still makes me laugh everytime i see it. he's got more eyeliner than vivan in that image.

 

[Black313X]

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[lolo540]

only one view that i want to add to your quote... the backyard scene being the 1st and the end being the 2nd event set in stone... this being a linear kinetic novel there will be a single thread that connects the start to end of the story. i assume everyone is following me here since im trying to be as simple as possible in my explanation. this single thread connecting the 2 events will have to be fleshed out in some manner or the other. be it character progression or more debauchery or both. whichever it may be the theories and reasons (can be said as foundations as well) posted in here are just the hypothetical meat of the story. it's like a jigsaw puzzle with the border done where the borders are the backyard and the ending being completed. the theories whether reasonable or not are just readers relating to how they think the story will connect the 2 events. the events that lead to and after those 2 events are just adding more cause for those events to take place. they just add more meaning and in doing so become valid to the story. that's my view.

lol finally someone noticed and asked. still makes me laugh everytime i see it. he's got more eyeliner than vivan in that image.

Nevertheless, this founding scene of the backyard cannot be left unexplained.
With the elements in our possession, this scene seemed surreal to many people here ( 15mn to fuck vivian ). I think there will be at least a pseudo-explanation or at best the basis for a second reading of the story (the idea of embezzlement for example).
This would give even more depth to the story and avoid gradually falling into a classic bad porn game.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Dealbreaker, you said your outrage is on a more existential than moral level. Could you elaborate on that? Sounds interesting, but I am not quite clear on what you mean.

I'll answer by putting the problem this way: Why moral indignation (though justified) is not the right way to deal with this.

1. It leaves the husband deserted, defenseless: Part of Hutch's shock is probably that he thought he could rely on a set of moral values and "no go"s which had the power to lead and restrain his wife in such a situation, to hold a grip over her even if the great romantic feeling after 20 years wasn't enough to do that anymore. And he saw that he couldn't. But there is an even more important point he has to confront here: there is no such vital and authoritative and self-evident moral framework which he could appeal to. For decades we live in a moral paradigm which almost solely relies on the principles of consent and no-harm, which protects individual rights and bodies, but not commitments, loaylties and bonds (and here porn, far from being a morally exemptive zone is on the contrary even more diligently and carefully following this modern moral imperative than the rest of society). The old moral regime which would have translated his hurt into clear-cut moral accusations against the wife (adultery, indecency, recklessness, prostitution, indignity etc) has become outdated ridiculous and impotent. We even have discussions here if we are allowed to call her a "hoe" with a judgmental undertone (while we are invited to call her a slut happily to add to the fun while gangbanging her anytime of course). Conclusion: it is another quality of the game, that it demonstrates in all necessary clarity how out in the open, helpless Hutch with regard to the current moral discourse really is here in such a situation. He has nowhere to go ideologically-ideally. He has lost the marital bed and doesn't even get to hold at least the moral high ground in return. He has to restrain his anger towards the wife if he does not want to make himself open to moral attack. And that is exactly what we see in the discussion with his wife later: no moral arguments and accusations really, just this helpless pseudo-therapeutic talk to manage the situation, supposedly together. No apology, no confrontation, no reckoning (and this is the same in other games). On the other hand the only time old-style moral agtuments are made here characteristically is when the boss manipulates Hutch in accepting the situation - here we hear concepts like "sacrifice" and manliness. They are usable only as a weapon against Hutch, not to his defense. So he can only lose and run into discursive traps if he would try to deal with the whole situation in moral terms, that's at least how I see it.

2. It falls short of grasping the real problem: This has the advantage of laying open what the real prolbem is. My anger didn't stay long with the wife but was busy with the question how Hutch ended up in such a pitiful situation. What did him make the loser he is in this situation? This was not due to the moral failure of his wife but the other way around. One could say she makes the right assumption and goes with the more powerful guy. Disappointing, yes, ,but behaviourally understandable (therefore I always stress the vibe of inscurity and panic she gives off the whole time). The existential anger starts with the realization that Hutch has been fooled to think like he does and trained to behave like he does, trained to be weak. He thought his dependence on the boss, his happy adjustment to the requirements of the coporate world wouldn't have any repercussions on how his wife perceives him, how she feels about him. On the contrary, he, trained to think in reward-for-compliance patterns thought she would reward him for a "stability" which could break down any time because it wasn't really his. He was fooled into believing that his impotence would be graciously overlooked by his wife and not turned against him the very first time she sees a functioning cock. It's this way of living itself which lured him in ignoring the realities underlying lofty moral concepts. But the post already is too long.

 

[Hattyrulz]

i get the 1st point .... dunno about the 2nd view you put forth DB. are you saying its hutch fooling himself into a false sense of security about his life and marriage? philosophy isn't my strong suit(since you mentioned existential crisis), i mean there have been lots of checks and balance in the way the couple converse in regards to vivian going with the stronger guy statement... as shown in the narrative ... i dont get why it has to be entirely hutch's or vivian's fault. these are all assumptions regarding hutch and vivian's behaviour i assume, since we will be getting some insight into what and why this has happened in regards to vivians way of dealing with this situation.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).

Dessert comes...he said!

Possible scenes:

• The video feed (with sounds) from dinner night gets leaked; may be more cameras in Christian's house and in his office
• After a while Christian denies to have sex with Vivian - Vivian not having sex for a while is taking a bath daydreaming about the dinner night and pleasures herself
• Christian who hasn't heard from Vivian in a while recognizes that he fall in love with her and is watching the video feeds from the dinner night together with his own flashbacks
  Vivian on the other side is now the one who chases the young and wild...
• Hutch surfing the internet gets an e-mail with attachment. The attachment a video feed with sound of the dinner night at Christian's house in full lenght and all cams included...
  May be he gets aroused by watching it and ends up as the cucky he never aimed to be.
  May be it is the ultimate trigger Hutch needed to get out of his shell!
• Sawyer surfing on his Dad's laptop finds the video feeds someone mailed Hutch before...

 

[Dealbreaker]

are you saying its hutch fooling himself into a false sense of security about his life and marriage? philosophy isn't my strong suit(since you mentioned existential crisis), i mean there have been lots of checks and balance in the way the couple converse in regards to vivian going with the stronger guy

No, I say his weakness is a product, not an inborn accidental character trait. So it is not an existential crisis but a way of life of many decades, which led to this.
And going with the stronger guy - she did it alrready. And there are no "checks and balances" for that, nor can there ever be (as they depend on promises and keeping promises)
But false sense of security - yes, I would say so. Not a bad way of putting it!