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I still think there was a letter or note in the dress box offering his job for sex with her , you can see as they go to leave and in the car journey and even up till the point before they bang , she's fighting with herself for the decision she's made in her mind almost fighting her self with it

Tho the bedroom scene was over the top personally talk about kicking a man when he's down jesus that was a lot personally the garden scene on its own would of been fine
The only letter that came with the dress box was the message "Can't wait to see you tonight".
Part of Christian's game plan. Telling Vivian if you don't show up the dinner is cancelled and ordering Huutch afterwards to come alone to the dinner.
Vivian still mesmerized with regard to her meeting with Christian and the stolen kiss can't wait to show herself off to him, well knowing she's playing with fire.
 

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Well she's not enjoying it yet to the fullest...she still has to process in order to finally be able to devote herself fully to it.
She enjoys it at the time, it's just the guilt after of just how much she enjoyed it that she struggles with.
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Now that Hutch has pretty much given her his consent to fuck Christian whever she wants, that should take away part of the guilt. She suggests moving away together, Hutch is the one who suggests the alternative, now he has to deal with the consequences. Fuck around and find out, quite literally!
 
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She enjoys it at the time, it's just the guilt after of just how much she enjoyed it that she struggles with.
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Now that Hutch has pretty much given her his consent to fuck Christian whever she wants that should take away part of the guilt. She suggests moving away together, Hutch is the one who suggests the alternative, now he has to deal with the consequences. Fuck around and find out, quite literally!
Exactly, now she doesn't need to wash away the guilt and shame she feels while taking a shower afterwards or texting to Huutch while in the middle of something.
She can now relax while showering and even remind herself of the beautiful encounters...and text or call Huutch later.
 

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She enjoys it at the time, it's just the guilt after of just how much she enjoyed it that she struggles with.
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Now that Hutch has pretty much given her his consent to fuck Christian whever she wants that should take away part of the guilt. She suggests moving away together, Hutch is the one who suggests the alternative, now he has to deal with the consequences. Fuck around and find out, quite literally!
Yeah I wasn't sold on the either I wanted him to at least show more emotion make her feel more guilty maybe even plant the idea of I don't know what this means for us I need to think about it but if you need to do this while I think about things so I can keep my job so be it , but instead he danced around the whole matter to address it then opened the marriage not even so much as a what the fuck where you thinking when you started this or when she went to see the boss the first time even tho he said not too

I firmly believe Vivian is at fault for it all , I also find that she does hutch no favours as I think she emasculates him alot of the time either willingly or unwillingly like those stages where she's like I need to hear you say it annoyed the fuck out of me
 

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The only letter that came with the dress box was the message "Can't wait to see you tonight".
Part of Christian's game plan. Telling Vivian if you don't show up the dinner is cancelled and ordering Huutch afterwards to come alone to the dinner.
Vivian still mesmerized with regard to her meeting with Christian and the stolen kiss can't wait to show herself off to him, well knowing she's playing with fire.
ll could of been one in the box and we just never saw it , no I firmly don't like Vivian let's be honest I've not been shy about it haha

But I guess the letter in the box theory is me giving her some benefit of the doubt rather than it being after that meeting for the first time she instantly like I'm gonna fuck him and that will make everything ok

I'm trying to give her some form of redemption here and it's just got away from her
 

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Yeah I wasn't sold on the either I wanted him to at least show more emotion make her feel more guilty maybe even plant the idea of I don't know what this means for us I need to think about it but if you need to do this while I think about things so I can keep my job so be it , but instead he danced around the whole matter to address it then opened the marriage not even so much as a what the fuck where you thinking when you started this or when she went to see the boss the first time even tho he said not too

I firmly believe Vivian is at fault for it all , I also find that she does hutch no favours as I think she emasculates him alot of the time either willingly or unwillingly like those stages where she's like I need to hear you say it annoyed the fuck out of me
Vivian wears the trousers in the relationship or has done, that much seems clear to me. Hutch doesn't tell her what to do, likely doesn't even have much of a say. When we see his outburst in the kitchen you can tell that Vivian is shocked.

They are both at fault here ultimately. Hutch could have not been such a stubborn fool and just looked for another job, even if it was for less money. Vivian even said how she could teach full time to make up for the difference. He's the one who won't budge or compromise. Then we see Vivian meet Christian and the whole thing spirals and I agree that she is then the one who is more at fault here.
 
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I understand that. As I said it happened all very fast and without having further information what was talked or said between Vivian and Christian at the showing the house tour and later in the bedroom it's difficult to accept such behavior.
Some of us accepting it as given fact in a pornlogic way, others doubting this way of outcome by comparing it with real life events.
The Only reason I see it that way with the letter is because if it's not it means after 22 years of marriage in under 12 hours or so of meeting someone she has decided to cheat on hutch and at the stage it's not that she's doing it to save his job it's because she wants too and if I hit that stage my hatred off her will only grow haha and Il never been able to stand her- plus it helps with my support of hutch as he doesn't deserve to be fucked over that badly

il end up being like let's not murder Christian let's murder Vivian instead haha
 

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I understand that. As I said it happened all very fast and without having further information what was talked or said between Vivian and Christian at the showing the house tour and later in the bedroom it's difficult to accept such behavior.
Some of us accepting it as given fact in a pornlogic way, others doubting this way of outcome by comparing it with real life events.

The same with the tallking code event when Huutch opened their marriage and he said he thought about it a lot.
That might be on his M.I.A. day on sunday where we have no clue about it at all.
Sounds like you could on to something but I do have an incredibly dark theory where hutch comes out the winner if your interested haha
 

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I still think there was a letter or note in the dress box offering his job for sex with her , you can see as they go to leave and in the car journey and even up till the point before they bang , she's fighting with herself for the decision she's made in her mind almost fighting her self with it

Tho the bedroom scene was over the top personally talk about kicking a man when he's down jesus that was a lot personally the garden scene on its own would of been fine
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ll could of been one in the box and we just never saw it , no I firmly don't like Vivian let's be honest I've not been shy about it haha

But I guess the letter in the box theory is me giving her some benefit of the doubt rather than it being after that meeting for the first time she instantly like I'm gonna fuck him and that will make everything ok

I'm trying to give her some form of redemption here and it's just got away from her
I don't think there was a letter in the box saying that, for a couple of reasons. One, it would be pretty stupid of Christian to do, as it would be a piece of evidence that could be taken to Hutch and also to any employment tribunal or whatever. It would be a really poor move that I just can't see someone with any sort of brains making, if he was actually looking to get out of that night what he did get out of it.

Two, he tells Vivian a few times that he has never made this offer, and it's all in her head. It's part of his manipulation, making her think that he's forcing her, but he's very clear in not saying the words. It's part of the "the door was always open, you just had to leave" talk. If there was a note detailling his plan, he wouldn't be able to go down this path and say those things, as she'd just turn around right away and say "that's not what your note said."

As far as the car ride goes, whether she knew what actually would happen or not, I think it's clear that Vivian knew that something would likely happen, and she was psyching herself up for it (either to do it or to defend against it). I took it as telling herself, as much as Hutch, that she could look after herself, and that she might have to suffer a little discomfort to get what she (they) wanted out of the evening - remember of course that they were going there with a plan of their own.
 

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I do not think Vivian knew what would happen when she got to Christians house.... Remember she was not invited... But when she was there Christian was surprised ...and happy ...that she came because he knew then he had her. Also told him some more about Hutch... and how far he could push him.. Vivian was the boss not Hutch.
 

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Gattsu#Struggler here it is but for warning it's dark as fuck


So Vivian has left hutch for Christian and over the course of weeks/months they openly flaunt it in hutch's face until one day he snaps and decides he had enough and he's going to do something about

So that evening he jumps Christian and kidnaps him and takes him to an abandoned warehouse where he's going to torture him so he decides he will cut Christians dick and fingers off and cut out his tounge also but will also cauterize the wounds so he doesn't bleed out and do blood transfusions if needed

He then proceeds to show Christian documents to blackmail him with to keep his silence to which Christian agrees to it and that he can't discuss what really happened with anyone not even Vivian or he will leak the documents ( don't know what the blackmail is yet haven't got that far haha) and hutch leaves it to Christian to come up with a story of what happened to tell people in place of the truth

Hutch then drops Christian off near his home and forces him to walk the rest of the way and hutch's drives off feeling happy that the man his wife left him for will never be able to provide her any form of sexual gratification ever again



Honestly when I heard people talking about dark theories I had a think to myself I wonder how dark I could go
 

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Gattsu#Struggler here it is but for warning it's dark as fuck


So Vivian has left hutch for Christian and over the course of weeks/months they openly flaunt it in hutch's face until one day he snaps and decides he had enough and he's going to do something about

So that evening he jumps Christian and kidnaps him and takes him to an abandoned warehouse where he's going to torture him so he decides he will cut Christians dick and fingers off and cut out his tounge also but will also cauterize the wounds so he doesn't bleed out and do blood transfusions if needed

He then proceeds to show Christian documents to blackmail him with to keep his silence to which Christian agrees to it and that he can't discuss what really happened with anyone not even Vivian or he will leak the documents ( don't know what the blackmail is yet haven't got that far haha) and hutch leaves it to Christian to come up with a story of what happened to tell people in place of the truth

Hutch then drops Christian off near his home and forces him to walk the rest of the way and hutch's drives off feeling happy that the man his wife left him for will never be able to provide her any form of sexual gratification ever again



Honestly when I heard people talking about dark theories I had a think to myself I wonder how dark I could go
Damn dude, come back to the light! :ROFLMAO:
 

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I do not think Vivian knew what would happen when she got to Christians house.... Remember she was not invited... But when she was there Christian was surprised ...and happy ...that she came because he knew then he had her. Also told him some more about Hutch... and how far he could push him.. Vivian was the boss not Hutch.
Vivian is a dumb hoe, hutchy is a weak pathetic cuck and the boss is a pimp player.. game over
 

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Also what way do we think any future sex between hutch and Vivian is gonna play out , I think it's going to go one of three ways

1, they have sex as normal and potentially hutch ups his game who knows but essentially he just goes about it as if nothings happened.

2, they have sex as normal but hutch is caught in an internal battle where the thought of touching Vivian and having sex with her while this happens repluses him which causes his anger to eventually boil over then it's all to play for who knows what might happen

3, hutch is up front with Vivian that they will not have sex or even be intimate in any form while this is happening as the thought of touching her after she's been with him makes him sick and repluses him , essentially saying to her while this happens you are not my wife your just someone I happen to live with , maybe they even go to separate beds it hits a point that he can't even share a bed with her and he stays in sawyers room , could work either way for her leaving hutch or be the wake up call to come back to him.

But I would say if Vivian bangs Christian in her and hutch's bed it's game over it's time to move on hutch you just don't come back from that , hence why I'm hoping he sets more rules/boundaries to the open marriage
I hope its a number 3 type scenario. That would make most sense for Hutch as we see him so far in the game. Things could change, but hopefully he stay strong on the no touching while she is fucking others.


I agree with certain points I hope not about the anal virginity as Ive always hated seeing certain virginitys being taken by the lover rather than the partner in NTR game I get why it happens it's just not for me

But I would say if Christian does pop her anal cherry it's game over like at that stage she cares so little about hutch that she would rather let Christian do it first rather than her husband of 22 years popping her cherry with Christian doing anal with her sometime after that

I actually think if you give up a certain virginity and one that your husband desperately wants to do to your lover over the husband I actually think that is worse than the actual act of cheating itself
Well it looked like he took her "deep throat" virginity. Seams like he was the first to tickle her tonsils with a dick. She did mention that she didn't want his big dick anywhere near her butt hole, so there is still hope that Hutch gets to pop the chocolate cherry.

Well she did offer it to Huutch at an unfortunate time for him.
But for the sake of their marriage he should man up and begin to reclaim his wife and also cherrish her pop.

-I know it's Hutch but as long as he doesn't come out of his shell, it's Huutch for me-
The concept of reclaiming always annoys the hell out of me. She is not an object to get back from somebody else. There is no reclaiming, that's just some lame mental gymnastics to try and your mind at ease after the dirty deeds have been done.
"I just fuck some other dude, now come reclaim what is yours"... Fuck that shit

So that evening he jumps Christian and kidnaps him and takes him to an abandoned warehouse where he's going to torture him so he decides he will cut Christians dick and fingers off and cut out his tounge also but will also cauterize the wounds so he doesn't bleed out and do blood transfusions if needed
Nice ending. May I suggest a little extra spice.... After Hutch cuts off Christian's genitals (balls included), he invites Vivian to a special dinner, with a special dish he has prepared, so they can reconnect. As they are both sitting at the dinner table, Hutch asks Vivian if she is enjoying her meal. She seams to like it. Hutch then asks her if it tastes familiar. She isn't sure. He asks if she is sure informing her that she has tasted the dish before, but perhaps not as he has prepared it.
She asks what it is called. Hutch replies with "Les organes génitaux du patron". Vivian thinks for a sec, and uses her basic knowledge of french to translate it as "Boss's genitals". Hutch laughs at her, "see i told you that you have tasted this before".
Vivian goes all white and nauseous as she realizes that she is eating Christian's dick and balls.


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I've said it before, but i say it again... I hope Vivian does not become a free for all whore that starts fucking every other man in the game. it would cheaper emotional tug. The story is king here, too much meaningless sex with multiple others will harm the story.

If there is to be a gang bang, let it be with Vivian's corpse, that would be different and dark :)
 

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I hope its a number 3 type scenario. That would make most sense for Hutch as we see him so far in the game. Things could change, but hopefully he stay strong on the no touching while she is fucking others.




Well it looked like he took her "deep throat" virginity. Seams like he was the first to tickle her tonsils with a dick. She did mention that she didn't want his big dick anywhere near her butt hole, so there is still hope that Hutch gets to pop the chocolate cherry.



The concept of reclaiming always annoys the hell out of me. She is not an object to get back from somebody else. There is no reclaiming, that's just some lame mental gymnastics to try and your mind at ease after the dirty deeds have been done.
"I just fuck some other dude, now come reclaim what is yours"... Fuck that shit



Nice ending. May I suggest a little extra spice.... After Hutch cuts off Christian's genitals (balls included), he invites Vivian to a special dinner, with a special dish he has prepared, so they can reconnect. As they are both sitting at the dinner table, Hutch asks Vivian if she is enjoying her meal. She seams to like it. Hutch then asks her if it tastes familiar. She isn't sure. He asks if she is sure informing her that she has tasted the dish before, but perhaps not as he has prepared it.
She asks what it is called. Hutch replies with "Les organes génitaux du patron". Vivian thinks for a sec, and uses her basic knowledge of french to translate it as "Boss's genitals". Hutch laughs at her, "see i told you that you have tasted this before".
Vivian goes all white and nauseous as she realizes that she is eating Christian's dick and balls.


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I've said it before, but i say it again... I hope Vivian does not become a free for all whore that starts fucking every other man in the game. it would cheaper emotional tug. The story is king here, too much meaningless sex with multiple others will harm the story.

If there is to be a gang bang, let it be with Vivian's corpse, that would be different and dark :)
Let's ad just a bit more I'm thinking at the end hutch says would you look at that you've a stomach full from Christian for all the wrong reasons

Honestly I don't want her to become a free for all whore either , I could take or leave her I just want hutch to be happy haha

#MAKEHUTCHGREATAGAIN
 

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I hope its a number 3 type scenario. That would make most sense for Hutch as we see him so far in the game. Things could change, but hopefully he stay strong on the no touching while she is fucking others.




Well it looked like he took her "deep throat" virginity. Seams like he was the first to tickle her tonsils with a dick. She did mention that she didn't want his big dick anywhere near her butt hole, so there is still hope that Hutch gets to pop the chocolate cherry.



The concept of reclaiming always annoys the hell out of me. She is not an object to get back from somebody else. There is no reclaiming, that's just some lame mental gymnastics to try and your mind at ease after the dirty deeds have been done.
"I just fuck some other dude, now come reclaim what is yours"... Fuck that shit



Nice ending. May I suggest a little extra spice.... After Hutch cuts off Christian's genitals (balls included), he invites Vivian to a special dinner, with a special dish he has prepared, so they can reconnect. As they are both sitting at the dinner table, Hutch asks Vivian if she is enjoying her meal. She seams to like it. Hutch then asks her if it tastes familiar. She isn't sure. He asks if she is sure informing her that she has tasted the dish before, but perhaps not as he has prepared it.
She asks what it is called. Hutch replies with "Les organes génitaux du patron". Vivian thinks for a sec, and uses her basic knowledge of french to translate it as "Boss's genitals". Hutch laughs at her, "see i told you that you have tasted this before".
Vivian goes all white and nauseous as she realizes that she is eating Christian's dick and balls.


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I've said it before, but i say it again... I hope Vivian does not become a free for all whore that starts fucking every other man in the game. it would cheaper emotional tug. The story is king here, too much meaningless sex with multiple others will harm the story.

If there is to be a gang bang, let it be with Vivian's corpse, that would be different and dark :)
Also to the deep throat point for all we know hutch has an absolute hog down there he could just be shit in bed as there must of been some reason he landed a baddie hard to say as there been no scenes between them
 
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